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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 14, 2020 5:49:55 GMT
Inspired by the recent Philippine military related threads concerning the Navy and Air Force, I've decided to set up a thread on alternate acquisitions of weapons and vehicles for the Philippine Army and Marine Corps. This is the list of what they planned or have already acquired as part of the AFP Modernization Act:
1) M113A2 APCs from the US
2) RPG-7s (from China or Russia)
3) Additional M4 Carbines
4) MIM-23 HAWK
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Post by lordroel on Dec 14, 2020 15:44:38 GMT
Inspired by the recent Philippine military related threads concerning the Navy and Air Force, I've decided to set up a thread on alternate acquisitions of weapons and vehicles for the Philippine Army and Marine Corps. This is the list of what they planned or have already acquired as part of the AFP Modernization Act: 1) M113A2 APCs from the US 2) RPG-7s (from China or Russia) 3) Additional M4 Carbines 4) MIM-23 HAWK Some M-60 tanks for the Philippine Marine Corps with the Berlin camouflage.  |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 15, 2020 4:37:55 GMT
What kind of M60 tank is that one with the word Marines on it?
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2020 5:04:31 GMT
What kind of M60 tank is that one with the word Marines on it? Not a tank, i think it is the LVTP-5 of which the Philippine Marine Corps operates 4 of, i used it as a example due it using the Berlin camouflage. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 15, 2020 5:48:00 GMT
I would have thought that the M551 would have been a good fit for the Philippine Marine Corps, given how it can operate in the water, hence its role as an amphibious light tank. Although, what about landing craft for the Marine Corps? Although on the other hand, I could definitely see a good chunk of both the Philippine Army and Marine Corps investing in vehicles that could be used by the engineering corps. Also, a project that not a lot of people are aware of that has happened in the Philippines, called Project Santa Barbara. It is essentially an attempt to build a locally designed rocket launcher. Something like this would have been a good fit for the Philippine Army if a different President other than Marcos took power. Beware that I took this from a KBL page:  Another version:  |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 11:32:04 GMT
I would have thought that the M551 would have been a good fit for the Philippine Marine Corps, given how it can operate in the water, hence its role as an amphibious light tank. Although, what about landing craft for the Marine Corps? Although on the other hand, I could definitely see a good chunk of both the Philippine Army and Marine Corps investing in vehicles that could be used by the engineering corps. Also, a project that not a lot of people are aware of that has happened in the Philippines, called Project Santa Barbara. It is essentially an attempt to build a locally designed rocket launcher. Something like this would have been a good fit for the Philippine Army if a different President other than Marcos took power. Beware that I took this from a KBL page: Another version: The PMC did receive 8 South Korean AAVs which recently saw action during the Typhoon Ulysses humanitarian response. Landing crafts could actually be built here since there are shipyards in Cavite and Balamban, Cebu. Project Santa Barbara and the Roman Candle has been loathed by true defense experts in the Philippines. This is something Marcos fanboys like to promote as a Wonder Weapon that could have been. In fact, during these tests, one of the rockets almost killed Marcos. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2020 16:05:05 GMT
one of the rockets almost killed Marcos. That would not be a lose if that happen, but that is a discussion for a other thread i think. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 16:23:09 GMT
one of the rockets almost killed Marcos. That would not be a lose if that happen, but that is a discussion for a other thread i think. Yeah, that's another branch in the alternate universes. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2020 16:35:25 GMT
So found a nice site, just put in the United States, then the Philippine, then the type of hardware and you see how much the Philippine got armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.phpI did it with armored vehicles as i wanted to know if the Philippine Army ever got tanks, it seems they did: M-4 Sherman Tank, delivered in 1955, total number: 25. M-24 Chaffee Light tank delivered between 1959-1960, total number: 25. M-41 Walker Bulldog Light tank delivered in 1965, total number: 7. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 16:46:30 GMT
So found a nice site, just put in the United States, then the Philippine, then the type of hardware and you see how much the Philippine got armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.phpI did it with armored vehicles as i wanted to know if the Philippine Army ever got tanks, it seems they did: M-4 Sherman Tank, delivered in 1955, total number: 25. M-24 Chaffee Light tank delivered between 1959-1960, total number: 25. M-41 Walker Bulldog Light tank delivered in 1965, total number: 7. Majority of the M4 Shermans were sold to the IDF in the 1960s. The Chaffees and Walker Bulldogs continued to serve until the 1980s. There was archive combat footage of a Walker Bulldog participating operations in Mindanao on February 9, 1975. www.facebook.com/100010035317836/videos/1317838865227278/This documentary also shows the M41 in a military parade: Imelda & Ferdinand: Exile in Hawaii Documentary |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2020 17:05:44 GMT
So found a nice site, just put in the United States, then the Philippine, then the type of hardware and you see how much the Philippine got armstrade.sipri.org/armstrade/page/trade_register.phpI did it with armored vehicles as i wanted to know if the Philippine Army ever got tanks, it seems they did: M-4 Sherman Tank, delivered in 1955, total number: 25. M-24 Chaffee Light tank delivered between 1959-1960, total number: 25. M-41 Walker Bulldog Light tank delivered in 1965, total number: 7. Majority of the M4 Shermans were sold to the IDF in the 1960s. The Chaffees and Walker Bulldogs continued to serve until the 1980s. There was archive combat footage of a Walker Bulldog participating operations in Mindanao on February 9, 1975. www.facebook.com/100010035317836/videos/1317838865227278/This documentary also shows the M41 in a military parade: Imelda & Ferdinand: Exile in Hawaii DocumentaryThanks, found this one, M4A2 Shermans of the Philippines army.  And this one, most likley from the Korean War as the number 10th belong to the 10th BCT Tank Co Motorized ("The Fighting Filipinos"), part of the Philippine Expeditionary Forces to Korea.  |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 17:14:54 GMT
Majority of the M4 Shermans were sold to the IDF in the 1960s. The Chaffees and Walker Bulldogs continued to serve until the 1980s. There was archive combat footage of a Walker Bulldog participating operations in Mindanao on February 9, 1975. www.facebook.com/100010035317836/videos/1317838865227278/This documentary also shows the M41 in a military parade: Imelda & Ferdinand: Exile in Hawaii DocumentaryThanks, found this one, M4A2 Shermans of the Philippines army. And this one, most likley from the Korean War as the number 10th belong to the 10th BCT Tank Co Motorized ("The Fighting Filipinos"), part of the Philippine Expeditionary Forces to Korea. One PA Sherman was lost in Korea to enemy action. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2020 17:17:55 GMT
Thanks, found this one, M4A2 Shermans of the Philippines army. And this one, most likley from the Korean War as the number 10th belong to the 10th BCT Tank Co Motorized ("The Fighting Filipinos"), part of the Philippine Expeditionary Forces to Korea. One PA Sherman was lost in Korea to enemy action. So could more Sherman in service and keeping them in service result that the Philippine Army kept a tank force to present day. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 17:38:47 GMT
One PA Sherman was lost in Korea to enemy action. So could more Sherman in service and keeping them in service result that the Philippine Army kept a tank force to present day. The Shermans would have been long obsolete by the 1980s though we do know Paraguay kept theirs and their Stuarts until 2017. Once the Shermans were retired, the Chaffee and Walker Bulldogs was the main tank force of the Philippine Army while the Philippine Marines used the LVT-5. Retired in the late 80s or early 90s. The Scorpion IFV is what replaced them and has been designated as a "light tank". |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 15, 2020 17:48:51 GMT
So could more Sherman in service and keeping them in service result that the Philippine Army kept a tank force to present day. The Shermans would have been long obsolete by the 1980s though we do know Paraguay kept theirs and their Stuarts until 2017. Once the Shermans were retired, the Chaffee and Walker Bulldogs was the main tank force of the Philippine Army while the Philippine Marines used the LVT-5. Retired in the late 80s or early 90s. The Scorpion IFV is what replaced them and has been designated as a "light tank". That is why the M-60s was a good replacement. |
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