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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2020 16:10:37 GMT
I visit this website a lot. A lot of good stuff is there. So could the Philippines have used former Japanese tanks as the article says, they might not be good against modern tanks but for local use they are good enough.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 28, 2020 16:43:13 GMT
I visit this website a lot. A lot of good stuff is there. So could the Philippines have used former Japanese tanks as the article says, they might not be good against modern tanks but for local use they are good enough. There were word-of-mouth accounts of Filipino resistance fighters and USAFFE remnants using captured Type 89 I-Gos, Type 95 Ha-Gos, and Type 97 Chi-Ha but no written source or photographic proof exists. However these WWII IJA tanks were obsolete even by the time of the war. A .50 cal can easily penetrate it. So after the war these Japanese light tanks were either scrapped for their metal along with leftover U.S. armor, planes, and howtizers, thrown into the sea to form artificial reefs, or used as target practice during the Cold War. Photo: A pair of Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha tanks captured intact in the Philippines near the end of WWII.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2020 16:45:42 GMT
A lot of good stuff is there. So could the Philippines have used former Japanese tanks as the article says, they might not be good against modern tanks but for local use they are good enough. There were word-of-mouth accounts of Filipino resistance fighters and USAFFE remnants using captured Type 89 I-Gos, Type 95 Ha-Gos, and Type 97 Chi-Ha but no written source or photographic proof exists. However these WWII IJA tanks were obsolete even by the time of the war. A .50 cal can easily penetrate it. So after the war these Japanese light tanks were either scrapped for their metal along with leftover U.S. armor, planes, and howtizers, thrown into the sea to form artificial reefs, or used as target practice during the Cold War. Photo: A pair of Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha tanks captured intact in the Philippines near the end of WWII.Well that makes sense, the US had plenty of tanks they could donate, why would the Philippine Army use tanks that where rusting in the jungle.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 28, 2020 17:21:25 GMT
There were word-of-mouth accounts of Filipino resistance fighters and USAFFE remnants using captured Type 89 I-Gos, Type 95 Ha-Gos, and Type 97 Chi-Ha but no written source or photographic proof exists. However these WWII IJA tanks were obsolete even by the time of the war. A .50 cal can easily penetrate it. So after the war these Japanese light tanks were either scrapped for their metal along with leftover U.S. armor, planes, and howtizers, thrown into the sea to form artificial reefs, or used as target practice during the Cold War. Photo: A pair of Type 97 Shinhoto Chi-Ha tanks captured intact in the Philippines near the end of WWII.Well that makes sense, the US had plenty of tanks they could donate, why would the Philippine Army use tanks that where rusting in the jungle. This also presents the question: Why would the Philippine Army or the Marine Corps use obsolete light tanks that could be destroyed by a grenade or an A-T rifle? Not to mention the lack of ammunition or spare parts. Since this post-war period, Japan could not produce spare parts for these tin cans.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2020 17:28:30 GMT
Well that makes sense, the US had plenty of tanks they could donate, why would the Philippine Army use tanks that where rusting in the jungle. This also presents the question: Why would the Philippine Army or the Marine Corps use obsolete light tanks that could be destroyed by a grenade or an A-T rifle? Not to mention the lack of ammunition or spare parts. Since this post-war period, Japan could not produce spare parts for these tin cans. Reading the article it mentions: Small numbers of Patton-series tanks were obtained during the 1950s but no great urgency was put into replacing the WWII-veteran Shermans. Declining numbers remained in use into the 1960s.So more of them would help.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 28, 2020 17:39:11 GMT
This also presents the question: Why would the Philippine Army or the Marine Corps use obsolete light tanks that could be destroyed by a grenade or an A-T rifle? Not to mention the lack of ammunition or spare parts. Since this post-war period, Japan could not produce spare parts for these tin cans. Reading the article it mentions: Small numbers of Patton-series tanks were obtained during the 1950s but no great urgency was put into replacing the WWII-veteran Shermans. Declining numbers remained in use into the 1960s.So more of them would help. Shermans were sold to the IDF around the same time. This is the first time I heard the PA using Pattons as Wikpedia does not list it. If ever Pattons were used, it was probably deployed alongside the M24 Chafee and the Walker Bulldogs.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2020 17:48:50 GMT
Reading the article it mentions: Small numbers of Patton-series tanks were obtained during the 1950s but no great urgency was put into replacing the WWII-veteran Shermans. Declining numbers remained in use into the 1960s.So more of them would help. Shermans were sold to the IDF around the same time. This is the first time I heard the PA using Pattons as Wikpedia does not list it. If ever Pattons were used, it was probably deployed alongside the M24 Chafee and the Walker Bulldogs. Maybe only during the Korean War and in such a few numbers that there is no mention of them.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 29, 2020 11:39:52 GMT
Shermans were sold to the IDF around the same time. This is the first time I heard the PA using Pattons as Wikpedia does not list it. If ever Pattons were used, it was probably deployed alongside the M24 Chafee and the Walker Bulldogs. Maybe only during the Korean War and in such a few numbers that there is no mention of them. I'm doing some research on the Chaffee in use within the Philippine Army. Still searching for accounts on that. As for IJA light tanks, the leftovers/captured ones were used by the Chinese communists during the second phase of the Chinese Civil War. The only post-war combat for the Japanese light tanks. In a hypothetical scenario the leftovers were utilized by the Philippine Army, these would have been used against the Huks in the 1950s. Photo: Type 97 medium tanks used by the Chinese Communist People's Liberation Army moving into the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang during the Chinese Civil War in 1948.Photo: The Gongchen Tank on display in the main hall of the military museum in Beijing. The red writing does not appear to be faithful to the original scheme. (Source: Tanks Encyclopedia). The Gochen tank was a modification of Type 97 light tanks that were left by the Japanese. Photo: Type 95 Ha-Go light tank with Chinese communist markings.The French and the Dutch utilized some Japanese light tanks including the Type 89 I-Go. These saw action in the Indonesian Revolution and the First Indochina War. Photo: A captured Japanese Type 89 I-Go tank in use by the Dutch army in Indonesia, September 1946.The Thais also have around 7 in service decades after the war, with only one functioning as of 2015. Photo: Probably the most historically-inaccurate painting of any WWII relic of any type, anywhere……a preserved Ha-Go in Thailand, wearing 21st century digicam disruptive camouflage. (Source: World War II after World War II) Royal Thai Army Type-95 Ha-Go Tank
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Post by lordroel on Dec 29, 2020 16:19:52 GMT
Maybe only during the Korean War and in such a few numbers that there is no mention of them. I'm doing some research on the Chaffee in use within the Philippine Army. Still searching for accounts on that. As for IJA light tanks, the leftovers/captured ones were used by the Chinese communists during the second phase of the Chinese Civil War. The only post-war combat for the Japanese light tanks. In a hypothetical scenario the leftovers were utilized by the Philippine Army, these would have been used against the Huks in the 1950s. Photo: Type 97 medium tanks used by the Chinese Communist People's Liberation Army moving into the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang during the Chinese Civil War in 1948.Photo: The Gongchen Tank on display in the main hall of the military museum in Beijing. The red writing does not appear to be faithful to the original scheme. (Source: Tanks Encyclopedia). The Gochen tank was a modification of Type 97 light tanks that were left by the Japanese. Photo: Type 95 Ha-Go light tank with Chinese communist markings.The French and the Dutch utilized some Japanese light tanks including the Type 89 I-Go. These saw action in the Indonesian Revolution and the First Indochina War. Photo: A captured Japanese Type 89 I-Go tank in use by the Dutch army in Indonesia, September 1946.The Thais also have around 7 in service decades after the war, with only one functioning as of 2015. Photo: Probably the most historically-inaccurate painting of any WWII relic of any type, anywhere……a preserved Ha-Go in Thailand, wearing 21st century digicam disruptive camouflage. (Source: World War II after World War II) Royal Thai Army Type-95 Ha-Go TankParaguay still operates 10 M3 Stuarts, of course they got a new engines and being overhualed. I could see that also for the Philippine Army.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 29, 2020 17:44:01 GMT
I'm doing some research on the Chaffee in use within the Philippine Army. Still searching for accounts on that. As for IJA light tanks, the leftovers/captured ones were used by the Chinese communists during the second phase of the Chinese Civil War. The only post-war combat for the Japanese light tanks. In a hypothetical scenario the leftovers were utilized by the Philippine Army, these would have been used against the Huks in the 1950s. Photo: Type 97 medium tanks used by the Chinese Communist People's Liberation Army moving into the northeastern Chinese city of Shenyang during the Chinese Civil War in 1948.Photo: The Gongchen Tank on display in the main hall of the military museum in Beijing. The red writing does not appear to be faithful to the original scheme. (Source: Tanks Encyclopedia). The Gochen tank was a modification of Type 97 light tanks that were left by the Japanese. Photo: Type 95 Ha-Go light tank with Chinese communist markings.The French and the Dutch utilized some Japanese light tanks including the Type 89 I-Go. These saw action in the Indonesian Revolution and the First Indochina War. Photo: A captured Japanese Type 89 I-Go tank in use by the Dutch army in Indonesia, September 1946.The Thais also have around 7 in service decades after the war, with only one functioning as of 2015. Photo: Probably the most historically-inaccurate painting of any WWII relic of any type, anywhere……a preserved Ha-Go in Thailand, wearing 21st century digicam disruptive camouflage. (Source: World War II after World War II) Royal Thai Army Type-95 Ha-Go TankParaguay still operates 10 M3 Stuarts, of course they got a new engines and being overhualed. I could see that also for the Philippine Army. There were retired in 2017-2018. Back then in that era, there were fanboi hopes of bringing back Shermans, Stuarts, and Bulldogs back? The problem: majority have been scrapped decades ago and the rest are in display with no hopes of reactivation. The Bulldog may pack a punch against NPAs or BIFF, but the Shermans and Stuarts would be vulnerable to IEDs, mines, A-T rifles, and RPGs especially for the latter. Yes, a handful of RPGs or anti-tank launchers have been captured from insurgents.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 30, 2020 5:05:44 GMT
Sounds a lot like fans of Girls und Panzer who are crazy about WWII tanks.
How expensive is the Challenger 1 tank? Though given that the only thing the Philippines acquired from the UK is the Scorpion APCs, I don't know if the Challenger 1 would have been a good fit.
Besides that, it was only recently that the Philippines started acquiring RPG-7s for their anti-tank warfare.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 30, 2020 7:11:03 GMT
Sounds a lot like fans of Girls und Panzer who are crazy about WWII tanks. How expensive is the Challenger 1 tank? Though given that the only thing the Philippines acquired from the UK is the Scorpion APCs, I don't know if the Challenger 1 would have been a good fit. Besides that, it was only recently that the Philippines started acquiring RPG-7s for their anti-tank warfare. There's also the cancerous community known as the Russian fanbois who think the AFP should use Russian hardware like the S-400, S-300, T-14 Armata, MiG-31, Su-35, etc. They are deriled by the defense community because they all think that Russian hardware is the best without even researching its pros and cons. Just because they used it in Battlefield 3, WarThunder, and World of Tanks or the mere fact that it looks cool is why people don't take them seriously. The Challenger 1 costs $1.5 million per unit. That's around PHP 72,000,000 per unit in today's price. The Challenger 1 would be ideal for armor support against the NPA and BIFF. On the downside, it would continue the stigma within the AFP of always accepting hand-me-downs from other countries. I remember it was around summer 2014 when I read about the RPG-7 acquisition project from Bulgaria. Took until 2018 to finally materialize.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 30, 2020 7:34:25 GMT
Those fanboys of Russian hardware got their wish with the AKMs donated to the AFP by the Russians during the visit by the Russian Navy to Manila. Although I’m surprised that they didn’t go for the Russian naval hardware.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 31, 2020 8:23:31 GMT
Those fanboys of Russian hardware got their wish with the AKMs donated to the AFP by the Russians during the visit by the Russian Navy to Manila. Although I’m surprised that they didn’t go for the Russian naval hardware. Those Russian fanbois keep on begging the DND to purchase the Kilo-class submarine and T-14 Armata or even to purchase inactive T-72s and T-80s.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 31, 2020 8:33:57 GMT
Yeah, although I wonder what happened to the tank graveyard that the Soviets had with a massive amount of tanks in it. Still, I’m surprised there are no fanboys of Japanese military hardware.
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