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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 17:50:34 GMT
The Shermans would have been long obsolete by the 1980s though we do know Paraguay kept theirs and their Stuarts until 2017. Once the Shermans were retired, the Chaffee and Walker Bulldogs was the main tank force of the Philippine Army while the Philippine Marines used the LVT-5. Retired in the late 80s or early 90s. The Scorpion IFV is what replaced them and has been designated as a "light tank". That is why the M-60s was a good replacement. I'll have to research if the M-60 was ever considered. There were USMC M-60s stationed in the Philippines during exercises in the 1980s. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 16, 2020 3:53:09 GMT
As I might have mentioned in another thread, having the M551 Sheridans would have been a good game changer for the Philippine Army. Not only do they get more experience fighting with tanks, but an amphibious light tank would have also been a good fit for the Philippine Marines.
And the weird Buratino wanna be would have been a good weapon design that I wanted to adopt for a different TL in the future.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 17, 2020 13:13:56 GMT
It was reported last November that the Philippine Army would get Sabrah light tanks from Israel.  Another great and practical option for a Philippine Army or Marine Corps tank force would be the Leopard 2. Neighboring Indonesia and Singapore uses them. Photo: TNI-AD Leopard 2 in the jungle. (Source: Reddit)  |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 18, 2020 2:39:40 GMT
Leopards would also be a good fit, though a bit more expensive to maintain. Then again, that didn't stop Canada's military from owning several Leopard tanks.
On the other hand, the Philippines did own only 7 M41 Walker Bulldogs a while ago. What happened to them?
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Post by lordroel on Dec 18, 2020 7:58:30 GMT
Leopards would also be a good fit, though a bit more expensive to maintain. Then again, that didn't stop Canada's military from owning several Leopard tanks. On the other hand, the Philippines did own only 7 M41 Walker Bulldogs a while ago. What happened to them? You mean these guys.  |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 18, 2020 8:03:53 GMT
Yes, although come to think of it, had the Philippines remained an economic powerhouse before Marcos, could they have also been able to afford to develop their own military industry on a similar scale to Israel?
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Post by lordroel on Dec 18, 2020 8:09:50 GMT
Yes, although come to think of it, had the Philippines remained an economic powerhouse before Marcos, could they have also been able to afford to develop their own military industry on a similar scale to Israel? They could, looking at the list of equipment of the Philippine Army Wikipedia article i see that the Philippines produced several hundred M75 mortars produced as part of the AFP Self-Reliance Defense Posture Program starting 1977.  And produced other light weapons in license, but then again, these are not vehicles so it might need a bit more know how and industry to pull that off i guess. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 18, 2020 8:36:46 GMT
Leopards would also be a good fit, though a bit more expensive to maintain. Then again, that didn't stop Canada's military from owning several Leopard tanks. On the other hand, the Philippines did own only 7 M41 Walker Bulldogs a while ago. What happened to them? They were retired in the 1980s. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 19, 2020 6:55:59 GMT
I see. I'm just wondering if they could have cannibalized the retired Walker Bulldogs and any other leftover tanks for whichever experiment they would have done. Considering the unusual (if that is the correct term) project that the Marcos regime conducted with regards to the Santa Barbara and Roman Candle project, it might not be out of the question for some weird experiment they would do involving the chassis of the Walker Bulldogs. Though the Leopards would have been a good fit so far, but whatever happened to the old East German vehicles that were inherited by the reunified Bundeswehr?
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 19, 2020 12:16:45 GMT
I see. I'm just wondering if they could have cannibalized the retired Walker Bulldogs and any other leftover tanks for whichever experiment they would have done. Considering the unusual (if that is the correct term) project that the Marcos regime conducted with regards to the Santa Barbara and Roman Candle project, it might not be out of the question for some weird experiment they would do involving the chassis of the Walker Bulldogs. Though the Leopards would have been a good fit so far, but whatever happened to the old East German vehicles that were inherited by the reunified Bundeswehr? Those Bulldogs were preserved as static models. One is in PMA and one is in Camp Aguinaldo. The East German armored vehicles were most likely scrapped by the FRG as well. The reunified Bundeswehr saw them as a liability as parts were hard to come by. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 19, 2020 20:21:18 GMT
It would have made more sense for the Germans to have at least sold it back to Russia, or at the very least, donated some of them to the USSR's successor states, seeing as they have the actual parts for those things. Although if the Germans were smart, they could have retained at least four of them for research purposes.
Given the OTL acquisition of the ASCOD tanks and their connections with the Israelis, I'm just wondering if the Merkava tanks would have been a good fit for the Philippine Army as well. Moreover, they are also ordering other equipment from Israel as well.
A joint assault bridge is currently in the Philippine Army's inventory, though the chassis used for it is a Leopard tank chassis.
Having looked at the picture of the Kooryong, I can safely say that it's a massive improvement on whatever the hell Marcos had designed for the army.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2020 5:50:50 GMT
I see. I'm just wondering if they could have cannibalized the retired Walker Bulldogs and any other leftover tanks for whichever experiment they would have done. Considering the unusual (if that is the correct term) project that the Marcos regime conducted with regards to the Santa Barbara and Roman Candle project, it might not be out of the question for some weird experiment they would do involving the chassis of the Walker Bulldogs. Though the Leopards would have been a good fit so far, but whatever happened to the old East German vehicles that were inherited by the reunified Bundeswehr? Those Bulldogs were preserved as static models. One is in PMA and one is in Camp Aguinaldo. The East German armored vehicles were most likely scrapped by the FRG as well. The reunified Bundeswehr saw them as a liability as parts were hard to come by. There was also talks back then among defense forums of the Philippine Army obtaining K-1 tanks from Korea. I couldn't find any more updates besides posibilities. I would think the Merkava would be great. The Sabrah light tank is already about to materialize. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 20, 2020 6:24:17 GMT
The ASCOD is already being earmarked for the first tank since the Walker Bulldog, but the Sabrah is basically a modified and upgraded M60 Patton tank. Although if the chassis of the Sabrah could be used to build either a self propelled artillery piece or a tank destroyer, that could also be possible.
Sea Stallions might be a good transport helicopter for both the Army and Marines, but I don't know how expensive they would be.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2020 7:05:40 GMT
The ASCOD is already being earmarked for the first tank since the Walker Bulldog, but the Sabrah is basically a modified and upgraded M60 Patton tank. Although if the chassis of the Sabrah could be used to build either a self propelled artillery piece or a tank destroyer, that could also be possible. Sea Stallions might be a good transport helicopter for both the Army and Marines, but I don't know how expensive they would be. Back then in 2016, some enthusiasts suggested the AMX-10 RC tank destroyer and the AMX-10P as possible AFV upgrade for the Philippine Army and Marines. No official statement from the DND was made. Photo: AMX-10 RC Photo: AMX-10P at the Musée des Blindés, Saumur. It would be interesting if the PA and PMC used the Mitsubishi Type 89 IFV of the JGSDF if there was no Article 9. It kinda reminds me of the Puma IFV and Marder IFV of the Heer of which has also been suggested like the Warrior IFV of the British Army. Photo: Type 89 showing the firing ports. Photo: Puma IFV Photo: Marder IFV Photo: FV510 Warrior Infantry Section Vehicle Since the Philippine Army is opening their aviation wing, the Sea Stallion could be an option. I did say back then the CH-47 Chinook was also considered during the 1970s. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 20, 2020 7:18:04 GMT
I'm surprised that France hasn't been shipping some of their weapons to the Philippines at all, given some of the unusual kinds of weapons and equipment. The bullpup rifle that France had would have been impressive.
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