Post by steffen on Mar 15, 2018 17:51:33 GMT
i made two alternatives...
one for the USA, that could win them easily the war in the pacific AND also bring in superior planes - basically they could fight from the carriers with superior airplanes against helpless german fighters (Corsair/Hellcat of 1945/46 against Me109E3?)
The other scenario make short work with the british, 6 Panzerdivisions of the Lehr-Type mean around 1300 tanks, Mark4 and Panther, also lots of mobile artillery, full armored transports and supply trucks. Each of them could propably defeat 3-4 british armored divisions of 1940, left alone infantry divisions.
The Ta152/FW190D-9 have the range to achive air superiority against ANY british try to break through, the He219 kill any night bomber attack.
The Subs - if we do not move their base to UK - kill UK, also.
100 XXIer mean 30-40 of them on a front mission, the Milk-cows mean the actual build subs could increase their range by factor 2. So basically the sub force is as big as the germans needs them to defeat UK (starve em to death).
with R4M and V1 you also could "kill" the british...
R4M mean no daylight strikes, the modern Radar is a death call for the early british bomber force (1940-43er Nightbombing against 1945/46 night intruders with modern radar in cm-wavelength... )
V1 - cheap, reliable... build your firing positions and have "fun". As i mentioned, the later models. So to fast to catch, range is sufficent and with german recon planes easily fotographing the british isles (because of the long-range Do335 recons, that also could kill any british plane on the planet)they know if they hit or not.
After 30-40.000 shot the british could get seriously in trouble, the RAF had lost (6 months later) the chance to bring in fighters (hurricane2 and Spitfire1 and 2 against FW190D? bad idea), so the original bombers could bomb "at will"...
also the british isles lack food and supplies, because the subs slaughter them. With better torpedos and accustic torpedos they could hunt themself british surface ships... the radar on these subs will be superior to that on the asw ships.
Add in the new "Old" subs of 1940/41 (i think they will switch to the XXIer type, this time not in modular building because there is no need (no air bombing campagin by no surviving BC planes - shot down by HE219 and later other types with the modern radar devices) and from 1942 on mass produced XXIer... and the british are "dead like a dodo".
With portsmouth they are destroyed in winter 1940 latest.
But it is ASB...
I think some people underestimate the technological jump from 1940 to 1945 by all armed forces.
A russian tank brigade with T34/85 and IS1 could run through a german tank army of 1940, because the russian tanks are so superior to anything the germans could mount. Sure, sometimes they run dry and out of ammo, but untill this point the germans loose 500-1500 tanks.
Same is true with a Panzer-Lehrdivision, with 1 panther batallion, 1 Mark4J, all the mounted artillery and Nebelwerfer-units, the full motorized infantry, the mobile AA trucks and tanks.
What could the british of 1940 use to stop em?
Sure, large AA guns, similar to the germans. But - with full air superiority going to the germans (the chances of a hurricane or a spitfire 1 or 2 against a FW190D is very small, germany has enough excellent trained pilots so it is something around 10-20:1 in casulties against the british. (and vice versa in the first scenario... Hellcats, later Bearcats against Me109E or F is baby-slaughtering... )
ASB mostly is single sided slaughter of the inferior side...
But personally i have no interest in such scenario... i just looked for two easy "win"-scenarios based on the parameters.
With the germans taking great britain in late 1940 the canadian forces are "useless", cause they can´t hope to win. Personally i think the difference between 1940 (1935-39 technology) and 1950 (much of the stuff used in 1944/45 is still in use) is huge. But the difference between 1944/45 and 1950 is small, cause the end of the war used the allready existing stuff (winning side had a huge number of average/good stuff, so why develop it? we won - and then the nukes made a "it doesn´t matter if you have the superduper Mark21 or a sherman if the enemy use nukes"-attitude. That cost you quite some development-time.
Canada without UK is to weak to establish a true power base. It could work with the USA, but in the meantime this germany - after crushing france, UK could push for russia - alone on ONE front with nearly no distraction. the same for africa - without UK the british forces could delay the end, but if UK surrenders they have to give up areas they own.
My other scenario just accelerate the defeat of the nazis and japanese, esp. the japanese get wiped out quite early, so the 1941-big-surprise-scenario the japanese could do for 6 months end in january 1942 with "total loss of japanese fleet" and american carriers destroying japanese warships in japanese ports at home. War is over in late 1942. What could japan do against 20 fleet carriers with superior airplanes, so superior compared to the zero and co that it hurts?
The fallout of this is, that the british are stronger in the med, so less succsess for Rommel. Early defeat in africa -> again the american death star (20 carriers), 2000 Planes, defended by 100 destroyers, the subs hunted by the much superior latewar and post-war DE, the american subs hunt german subs at the french atlantic coast (guppy-conversions!), the simple ASW-hunting technology with squid and co kills a lot subs early.
Game over in the atlantic - if they start in mid 1942 they could allready start to build 100s of these DEs... basically they flood the atlantic with them... and the CVEs... so in 1942 the americans had build say 20 CVE, every month 5-6 come online. Even with Avenger as ASW-planes, the german subs have nil chance to disturb the "normal" build up... the american creme of fighters (Corsair, Hellcat, from 1942 on Bearcats) destroy in 1942 the german fighters in france. Then you see an invasion in early 43... if the USA not enter the war earlier to support the british. Then you see the invasion in early 42 (spring)... but the german airforce is in the stage of late 44, but with allways inferior planes. Add in superior latewar US-radar and the US bombers could bomb at will at night, from early 43 on. If they transfer the stuff to the british the german cities are burned down in mid 43 the same way they were in early 45. That kills the assault capabilities in russia... war ends 2 years earlier, maybe 1 1/2 years earlier. 10 Million chinese less deaths, japan defeated after 6 months, in europe propably 15-20 million less casulties. who knows.. .
. I had forgotten this thread. As you say the ASB on its own would be fairly one sided, even with the limitations set in terms of the time it starts for Britain. A month or so earlier and their forces are more armour and air heavy and the German thrust through the Ardennes is stopped dead.
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