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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2016 7:51:44 GMT
Yes the AAR is AAO. He goes by a number of names on different sites including trekchu but I think he's called trekaddict on that site. [Just checked and that's the case. Think its at least 5 years since he played the game but still coming out with updates and just posted the 1st part of the big naval battle v Japan a few days back. I am not that type of Grand Strategy player, once i both HOI but came to the conclusion those kind of games are not for me. Definitely don't need Centurions in Asia but some down-time army would be useful. More importantly I think some modern a/c and a few properly equipped and trained ground units. With victories elsewhere that should be well within Britain's capacity even without our direct aid. I also wondering, how many Centurion Mark III tanks can my assembly line produce per month, have to find that out as this tank. The subs were primarily for helping to stop the Japanese in SEA. OTL most of Britain's sub force was designed with that purpose in mind but drawn west into the Med and North Sea for battles they weren't really planned for. I'm hoping both my ships directly and help in designing others will make a big difference here. Doubly so if we can get adequate numbers of good torpedoes and other equipment. The USN OTL destroyed much of the Japanese economy by the destruction of their MS even without the fire-bombing of the cities but here I think I can help the RN do it even earlier. Are you also going to send some to the Mediterranean Sea, they would be good in hunting Italian ships heading to North Africa. Agree that we should definitely have plans for reinforcing the positions, including the Dutch if possible. Good idea, especially making sure their oil fields near Balikpapan are secured. That will be the difficult thing. The Nazis have deeply embedded their organisation and culture into German society, especially since no one can really get anywhere without being a party member. We need to make sure we manage to separate the real Nazis from the minor figures and make sure the party and its ideas are as firmly rejected as OTL. We need a book listing who of who is Nazi or not and also a book about the West German government establishment in 1955, we can use that as a model for a democratic Germany.
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Post by stevep on May 7, 2016 13:30:40 GMT
a) Afraid I'm very much that sort of games. Spent several days playing the current game, since the main scenario starts in 1-1-1936 and finished last night [or this morning ] @ ~1:20 am at date 1-12-40. Basically a lot of building, research and development and two short wars. [Liberated Finland from those evil Finns , now a firm ally [puppet] and took Latvia and Estonia] I generally leave Lithuania as, at least in the earlier version, Germany never attacked it so it shortens the line a bit. Now building like a bandit to try and be ready when the storm hits, which will probably be early June 41. Just wish I had another month left here but, provided that damned laptop turns up I can install it on there and play at mum's. b) I must admit I left that bit blank. Say for big items like tanks a dozen a week? How does that sound as he picks a number out of thin air. c) I would rather avoid it. The Med is a bad place for subs, clear, shallow waters and a lot of land based air to hunt them, which is one reason why British subs took such losses in OTL. Much better to use them and most of the British OTL subs in the S China sea when the Japanese come calling.
d) Holding Borneo could be difficult unless we transfer a lot of stuff eastwards, although that might be possible. At the least hold Malaya-Sumatra-Java to control access to the Indian Ocean and the links to Australia and do what we can to make the Japanese pay for Borneo and Celebes and also for trying to ship anything from them to Japan. If we can do more great but as OTL Germany will be the great threat.
e) That would definitely be useful as an example, especially given what happened to Germany OTL detailed that might persuade a lot of Germans, at least if/when a war with Russia starts, not to try fighting to the end but come to terms with the western powers.
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2016 13:43:13 GMT
a) Afraid I'm very much that sort of games. Spent several days playing the current game, since the main scenario starts in 1-1-1936 and finished last night [or this morning ] @ ~1:20 am at date 1-12-40. Basically a lot of building, research and development and two short wars. [Liberated Finland from those evil Finns , now a firm ally [puppet] and took Latvia and Estonia] I generally leave Lithuania as, at least in the earlier version, Germany never attacked it so it shortens the line a bit. Now building like a bandit to try and be ready when the storm hits, which will probably be early June 41. Just wish I had another month left here but, provided that damned laptop turns up I can install it on there and play at mum's. Do also have Making History II it seems, maybe i have to try it again. b) I must admit I left that bit blank. Say for big items like tanks a dozen a week? How does that sound as he picks a number out of thin air. Lets say 10 to 25 per month with one assembly line, if the British and Canadian can also start production of the Centurion Mark III or in their case the Centurion Mark I or what ever they want to name it. c) I would rather avoid it. The Med is a bad place for subs, clear, shallow waters and a lot of land based air to hunt them, which is one reason why British subs took such losses in OTL. Much better to use them and most of the British OTL subs in the S China sea when the Japanese come calling. Singapore will be busy as a submarine base, maybe build a submarine pen like the Germans have done in occupied France to protect the submarines when they are in port. d) Holding Borneo could be difficult unless we transfer a lot of stuff eastwards, although that might be possible. At the least hold Malaya-Sumatra-Java to control access to the Indian Ocean and the links to Australia and do what we can to make the Japanese pay for Borneo and Celebes and also for trying to ship anything from them to Japan. If we can do more great but as OTL Germany will be the great threat. As long as we make sure that when Force Z is going to be send that it has enough air cover from 1 ore more aircraft carriers. e) That would definitely be useful as an example, especially given what happened to Germany OTL detailed that might persuade a lot of Germans, at least if/when a war with Russia starts, not to try fighting to the end but come to terms with the western powers. We could start first with having them remove Hitler then make it clear they have to begin denazification of any remnants of the National Socialist ideology and then help them set up a government like the West Germany government of 1955.
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Post by stevep on May 7, 2016 19:55:04 GMT
Lordroel Damn you!! I spent a while looking at some of the scenarios for that. Looks like a lot there and sounds like possibly a simpler version of AoD. Fortunately I don't have the time to add that to my play list. As long as I can continue to persuade myself of that. That sounds about right. I think up to the Mk III some of the elements are standard for Britain, such as the 17lber gun I think it was armed with, although they might have an earlier version. However some things like the engine they would probably have to build from scratch. Although given the problems with British army prior to the Centurion it would definitely be boosted by having the technology earlier. Singapore and possibly Batavia or other ports in the Indies. Not sure what defences against air attack Singapore had for subs but with some radar and modern [i.e. late 40's] a/c that could make any such attempt a costly operation for the Japanese. I'm not sure we would need a force Z, at least in the new future. Would prefer defending with a/c, ground units and some light naval, especially subs. But if we did then definitely have plenty of air cover, which between use we could provide. That could be an idea although from what I've read, until it was clear they were losing even the most flexible of the German military were reluctant to go against their oath [and what many saw as their interests]. Steve
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2016 20:07:45 GMT
Damn you!! I spent a while looking at some of the scenarios for that. Looks like a lot there and sounds like possibly a simpler version of AoD. Fortunately I don't have the time to add that to my play list. As long as I can continue to persuade myself of that. Well thank you, always nice to hear that i did something right. That sounds about right. I think up to the Mk III some of the elements are standard for Britain, such as the 17lber gun I think it was armed with, although they might have an earlier version. However some things like the engine they would probably have to build from scratch. Although given the problems with British army prior to the Centurion it would definitely be boosted by having the technology earlier. Maybe if we have the blue prints of the Cromwell and the Comet tank, these two tanks should be more easy for a 1940 United kingdom to build before the start to build the Centurions. Singapore and possibly Batavia or other ports in the Indies. Not sure what defences against air attack Singapore had for subs but with some radar and modern [i.e. late 40's] a/c that could make any such attempt a costly operation for the Japanese. We must make sure that the guns located at Singapore Fort Pasir Panjang and Fort Siloso are armed with high explosive rounds which were more effective against the infantry instead of the armor-piercing cartridges they where armed with during the OTL battle of Singapore I'm not sure we would need a force Z, at least in the new future. Would prefer defending with a/c, ground units and some light naval, especially subs. But if we did then definitely have plenty of air cover, which between use we could provide. You want to say to the Royal Navy that they may not use their big guns in pacific, good luck with that. That could be an idea although from what I've read, until it was clear they were losing even the most flexible of the German military were reluctant to go against their oath [and what many saw as their interests]. Whe have to take our changes with somebody, dismantling Germany will only hurt us if there is still a Soviet Union that we have to face in the future.
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Post by stevep on May 7, 2016 23:28:20 GMT
Damn you!! I spent a while looking at some of the scenarios for that. Looks like a lot there and sounds like possibly a simpler version of AoD. Fortunately I don't have the time to add that to my play list. As long as I can continue to persuade myself of that. Well thank you, always nice to hear that i did something right. That sounds about right. I think up to the Mk III some of the elements are standard for Britain, such as the 17lber gun I think it was armed with, although they might have an earlier version. However some things like the engine they would probably have to build from scratch. Although given the problems with British army prior to the Centurion it would definitely be boosted by having the technology earlier. Maybe if we have the blue prints of the Cromwell and the Comet tank, these two tanks should be more easy for a 1940 United kingdom to build before the start to build the Centurions. Singapore and possibly Batavia or other ports in the Indies. Not sure what defences against air attack Singapore had for subs but with some radar and modern [i.e. late 40's] a/c that could make any such attempt a costly operation for the Japanese. We must make sure that the guns located at Singapore Fort Pasir Panjang and Fort Siloso are armed with high explosive rounds which were more effective against the infantry instead of the armor-piercing cartridges they where armed with during the OTL battle of Singapore I'm not sure we would need a force Z, at least in the new future. Would prefer defending with a/c, ground units and some light naval, especially subs. But if we did then definitely have plenty of air cover, which between use we could provide. You want to say to the Royal Navy that they may not use their big guns in pacific, good luck with that. That could be an idea although from what I've read, until it was clear they were losing even the most flexible of the German military were reluctant to go against their oath [and what many saw as their interests]. Whe have to take our changes with somebody, dismantling Germany will only hurt us if there is still a Soviet Union that we have to face in the future. a) b) A Comet might be a good intermediate step. I think however two big bonuses this time around will be that there is no massive panic because the forces we have can secure Britain against invasion and that we can give advice on remedying the biggest single mechanical problem, the lack of a decent engine for British tanks, avoiding Nuffields crap Liberty engine. We can also advice them on better tactics rather than charging into enemy anti-tank positions but that might be more difficult to persuade them of. c) If the Japanese get that close by land things have gone disastrously wrong and there's probably no hope. However I very much doubt it will come to that TTL. d) What, you think they want to keep all those big ugly stick things making their ships look so cumbersome. Its unlikely many of the admirals would accept it initially but ships do need air cover where the enemy can operate in force and they would already have had evidence of this in Norway and off Dunkirk. Plus its best to keep the big guns to face off against the German threat in the N Atlantic and where the weather makes carriers less reliable, especially at this period in their development, as the loss of the Glorious showed. Not to mention that the RN knows how thinly its stretched at the moment. e) It definitely worth a try but they won't really accept the Soviets as a threat until the latter are at war with them and making serious progress, either because the Red Army have worn them down as OTL or we're broken German military power and the Soviets are seeking to grab what they can. Steve
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Post by lordroel on May 8, 2016 8:45:52 GMT
b) A Comet might be a good intermediate step. I think however two big bonuses this time around will be that there is no massive panic because the forces we have can secure Britain against invasion and that we can give advice on remedying the biggest single mechanical problem, the lack of a decent engine for British tanks, avoiding Nuffields crap Liberty engine. We can also advice them on better tactics rather than charging into enemy anti-tank positions but that might be more difficult to persuade them of. You mean teaching them a British version of Blitzkrieg or we can give them copies of the And They Shall Reap The Whirlwind Comments and use the Bomber Command as how it is use in that timeline to support the army. c) If the Japanese get that close by land things have gone disastrously wrong and there's probably no hope. However I very much doubt it will come to that TTL. We always can make sure that the things that went wrong or did not work are solved. d) What, you think they want to keep all those big ugly stick things making their ships look so cumbersome. Its unlikely many of the admirals would accept it initially but ships do need air cover where the enemy can operate in force and they would already have had evidence of this in Norway and off Dunkirk. Plus its best to keep the big guns to face off against the German threat in the N Atlantic and where the weather makes carriers less reliable, especially at this period in their development, as the loss of the Glorious showed. Not to mention that the RN knows how thinly its stretched at the moment. Well i would love to have a Vanguard among my ships but it massive weight of 44,500 ton would prevent me from having ships that i really need. e) It definitely worth a try but they won't really accept the Soviets as a threat until the latter are at war with them and making serious progress, either because the Red Army have worn them down as OTL or we're broken German military power and the Soviets are seeking to grab what they can. And that is something we must plan for as well, we cannot have a situation in which we have defeated Germany, are fighting Japan and then the Soviet Union decides to enter into the fray.
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Post by stevep on May 8, 2016 9:55:37 GMT
a) More don't have motorised cavalry charges which virtually always stagger into AT guns and suffer heavy losses, which is where the bulk of our armour losses in N Africa occurred I believe. One of the problems of mechanising many of the old cavalry regiments rather than building our armoured units around people who actually understood mechanical warfare. Would definitely like to avoid the OTL Bomber Command campaigns of city bursting as it was so wasteful, especially of British manpower and resources. We can't afford that and massively better returns elsewhere from winning other campaigns quickly and efficiently, especially the Atlantic and N Africa. Sort them out and Britain isn't continually dashing from crisis to crisis. There is a place for a successful heavy bomber strategic campaign here but it needs targeted daytime bombing by escorted bombers. A few Grand Slams in the right places can do a hell of a lot of damage to the German economy as shown in 45. [Didn't initially realise you were referring to that excellent TL but would probably go a lot farther than Sbiper did if I could]. Part of the problem was that the RAF defined its identity as a separate 'service' as not being a supporting arm of either the army or navy so there was intense political pressure in its higher ranks to avoid any such 'distractions'. We developed a good system of battlefield support in the desert war but it was always bitterly opposed by the bomber barons. I think the best bet here is showing historical evidence from OTL of how costly and ineffective it was to the political leaders as their the only people who can really turn around the higher leadership of the RAF. [Or more likely mass sackings or resignations I suspect]. b) Very true. c) Same here, although you want at least a couple to have some reliability of one being available. However too much tonnage and their effective useful life is too short. d) That is the difficulty, unless we risk not changing things too much so Barbarossa still occurs and then with somewhat less western support - especially if the US doesn't end up fighting Germany, doesn't do as well. Given what we know now, there is an argument for being Machiavellian and once Russia has survived the 41 assault or at the latest 42 drastically cutting our own support. This would however mean that Stalin is definitely hostile and without a well organised propaganda campaign is likely to alienate many people in Britain and our allies. I think we would need to avoid the massive pro-Soviet propaganda operation that occurred in the west after the German attack on Russia. Suitable handling of the Katyn Massacres could be very useful here. Even so it still raises the problem of how we get the manpower to both defeat Germany and defeat/deter Russia if we can't turn enough of Germany. Probably one of the most difficult problems we and Britain would face. The other alternative of course is hoping we can get nukes in time to force a quick collapse of Germany and make sure Stalin keeps his hands off eastern Europe. That way probably best if we do enough to prevent the Germans attacking Russia, which means a much more aggressive pounding of Germany and Italy before summer 41, then settling in for a long war with probably relatively little in the way of major military action. If we stop the Japanese from taking most of the Indies then we can probably largely close up the eastern theatre as lack of oil especially will quickly curtail their ability for aggression against us while with the Burma road open China will be stronger and if we blood them seriously in their failed attempt to drive south and provide bases the US has a markedly easier time fighting back towards the Philippines. Steve
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Post by lordroel on May 8, 2016 10:29:00 GMT
a) More don't have motorised cavalry charges which virtually always stagger into AT guns and suffer heavy losses, which is where the bulk of our armour losses in N Africa occurred I believe. One of the problems of mechanising many of the old cavalry regiments rather than building our armoured units around people who actually understood mechanical warfare. As one of my 4 assembly line is the 25pdr SP, tracked, Sexton self-propelled artillery i can easily modify them to become Kangaroo (armoured personnel carrier) as what was also done in OTL, this allows my infantry to drive with the tanks and be used when needed instead of having to drive soft skinned trucks. Would definitely like to avoid the OTL Bomber Command campaigns of city bursting as it was so wasteful, especially of British manpower and resources. We can't afford that and massively better returns elsewhere from winning other campaigns quickly and efficiently, especially the Atlantic and N Africa. Sort them out and Britain isn't continually dashing from crisis to crisis. There is a place for a successful heavy bomber strategic campaign here but it needs targeted daytime bombing by escorted bombers. A few Grand Slams in the right places can do a hell of a lot of damage to the German economy as shown in 45. [Didn't initially realise you were referring to that excellent TL but would probably go a lot farther than Sbiper did if I could]. Part of the problem was that the RAF defined its identity as a separate 'service' as not being a supporting arm of either the army or navy so there was intense political pressure in its higher ranks to avoid any such 'distractions'. We developed a good system of battlefield support in the desert war but it was always bitterly opposed by the bomber barons. I think the best bet here is showing historical evidence from OTL of how costly and ineffective it was to the political leaders as their the only people who can really turn around the higher leadership of the RAF. [Or more likely mass sackings or resignations I suspect]. A book on the operation of Bomber command is also needed then, also we need to look if we can modify 4 of my Lincoln MR 31 Maritime patrol aircraft into carying a Tallboy or a earlier version of it, the bomb weighs only 5,400 kg thus able to be carried by a bomber of mine. I find that timeline by Sbiper super, also i have the Foresight War by Anthony G Williams, seems i have something with going back into time timelines. c) Same here, although you want at least a couple to have some reliability of one being available. However too much tonnage and their effective useful life is too short. Think ASW escorts are a priority, remember one of my main mission is to keep the Canada-United Kingdom lane free from German and even Italian submarines, a battleship is not going to help in that unless there is a major surface action. d) That is the difficulty, unless we risk not changing things too much so Barbarossa still occurs and then with somewhat less western support - especially if the US doesn't end up fighting Germany, doesn't do as well. Given what we know now, there is an argument for being Machiavellian and once Russia has survived the 41 assault or at the latest 42 drastically cutting our own support. This would however mean that Stalin is definitely hostile and without a well organised propaganda campaign is likely to alienate many people in Britain and our allies. I think we would need to avoid the massive pro-Soviet propaganda operation that occurred in the west after the German attack on Russia. Suitable handling of the Katyn Massacres could be very useful here. Even so it still raises the problem of how we get the manpower to both defeat Germany and defeat/deter Russia if we can't turn enough of Germany. Probably one of the most difficult problems we and Britain would face. Maybe we must aid Finland and help them re-arm them so that they can be prepare for the next round, that is of course if you think its a good idea. The other alternative of course is hoping we can get nukes in time to force a quick collapse of Germany and make sure Stalin keeps his hands off eastern Europe. That way probably best if we do enough to prevent the Germans attacking Russia, which means a much more aggressive pounding of Germany and Italy before summer 41, then settling in for a long war with probably relatively little in the way of major military action. Good idea, mabey we can focus on a Italy first, they are the weakest of the two, have the Italian king remove Benito Mussolini after we mange to lets say have invaded and occupy Sardinia and destroy much of the Italian navy. If we stop the Japanese from taking most of the Indies then we can probably largely close up the eastern theatre as lack of oil especially will quickly curtail their ability for aggression against us while with the Burma road open China will be stronger and if we blood them seriously in their failed attempt to drive south and provide bases the US has a markedly easier time fighting back towards the Philippines. And if we work hard our Anglo-Canadian nuclear project which will allow us to drop a bomb before the US does, of course not first on a Japanese city but lets say the Japanese main anchor at Truk Lagoon.
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Post by stevep on May 8, 2016 18:22:18 GMT
As one of my 4 assembly line is the 25pdr SP, tracked, Sexton self-propelled artillery i can easily modify them to become Kangaroo (armoured personnel carrier) as what was also done in OTL, this allows my infantry to drive with the tanks and be used when needed instead of having to drive soft skinned trucks. That could be very useful. Although their still vulnerable to such situations while the infantry is mounted. It needs a change in doctrine to prevent the tankers charging merrily off in the direction of the enemy and getting stomped as a result. A book on the operation of Bomber command is also needed then, also we need to look if we can modify 4 of my Lincoln MR 31 Maritime patrol aircraft into carying a Tallboy or a earlier version of it, the bomb weighs only 5,400 kg thus able to be carried by a bomber of mine. I don't think we would need to change any of our own craft. By the time we're ready to use such an attack Britain should be able to build its own improved Lancs with the aid of the designs we can supply. I find that timeline by Sbiper super, also i have the Foresight War by Anthony G Williams, seems i have something with going back into time timelines. A very good piece of work, although given that start time and the fact he managed to get accepted pretty early on, I think you could have avoided the fall of France. Possibly not as dramatically as in the "Shipshape and Bristol Fashion " TL but time to do a lot of good. Mind you there is the twist in the Foresight War that we should also remember. Just because the ASB is allowing us to do this doesn't mean that he, or another one, isn't aiding one or more of our opponents/rivals. Think ASW escorts are a priority, remember one of my main mission is to keep the Canada-United Kingdom lane free from German and even Italian submarines, a battleship is not going to help in that unless there is a major surface action. Very true. ]Maybe we must aid Finland and help them re-arm them so that they can be prepare for the next round, that is of course if you think its a good idea. I think the problem is that Finland will want revenge and to get its lost land back. Since Britain, even with our help, isn't going to be clearly dominating Europe within a year or so I can't see Finland not siding with Germany if the latter attacks the Soviets. At least not unless we have clearly weakened the Germans enough that the Finns are confident the Germans will be defeated pretty quickly. Good idea, mabey we can focus on a Italy first, they are the weakest of the two, have the Italian king remove Benito Mussolini after we mange to lets say have invaded and occupy Sardinia and destroy much of the Italian navy. That is definitely an option. On the other site PB has suggested starting on Sicily and taking that quickly. Not practical for us since we have set our bases elsewhere and I have doubts on the logistics but it should be possible to gain Sicily after N Africa and at least Sardinia and Corsica while if the Germans attack the Soviets an Italian campaign should be practical. Just managed somewhat better than OTL. Which would open up opportunities for actions elsewhere, including say bombing Polesti. And if we work hard our Anglo-Canadian nuclear project which will allow us to drop a bomb before the US does, of course not first on a Japanese city but lets say the Japanese main anchor at Truk Lagoon. If we get a Commonwealth nuke by say 44 I think its very likely to be used in Europe. Furthermore I suspect it is likely to be used on an industrial/urban target as I can't see a purely military one, if you could find such a target in Europe, having enough influence on the Nazis and German military. Steve
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Post by lordroel on May 8, 2016 18:40:37 GMT
That could be very useful. Although their still vulnerable to such situations while the infantry is mounted. It needs a change in doctrine to prevent the tankers charging merrily off in the direction of the enemy and getting stomped as a result. To bad the M113 armored personnel carrier blue print is not allowed, even its predecessors are not allowed because they where build and designed after 1950. I don't think we would need to change any of our own craft. By the time we're ready to use such an attack Britain should be able to build its own improved Lancs with the aid of the designs we can supply. So no need to have any of my planes modified, good that allows me to keep them as they are. A very good piece of work, although given that start time and the fact he managed to get accepted pretty early on, I think you could have avoided the fall of France. Possibly not as dramatically as in the "Shipshape and Bristol Fashion " TL but time to do a lot of good. The reason was i toughed they did not want the army to get caught in a German Blitzkrieg and loss it i think. Mind you there is the twist in the Foresight War that we should also remember. Just because the ASB is allowing us to do this doesn't mean that he, or another one, isn't aiding one or more of our opponents/rivals. Nobody would want to help him, unless there is somebody who want to. Thanks. I think the problem is that Finland will want revenge and to get its lost land back. Since Britain, even with our help, isn't going to be clearly dominating Europe within a year or so I can't see Finland not siding with Germany if the latter attacks the Soviets. At least not unless we have clearly weakened the Germans enough that the Finns are confident the Germans will be defeated pretty quickly. We best keep them neutral i think. That is definitely an option. On the other site PB has suggested starting on Sicily and taking that quickly. Not practical for us since we have set our bases elsewhere and I have doubts on the logistics but it should be possible to gain Sicily after N Africa and at least Sardinia and Corsica while if the Germans attack the Soviets an Italian campaign should be practical. Just managed somewhat better than OTL. Which would open up opportunities for actions elsewhere, including say bombing Polesti. We should keep Crete then if we want to use it as a base for bomber raids on Polesti. If we get a Commonwealth nuke by say 44 I think its very likely to be used in Europe. Furthermore I suspect it is likely to be used on an industrial/urban target as I can't see a purely military one, if you could find such a target in Europe, having enough influence on the Nazis and German military. Nuremberg would be a good target.
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Post by steffen on Mar 15, 2018 14:24:19 GMT
The whole superman-stuff is not necessary… For the USA: I switch 6 Divisions with 300k Naval tonnage. So I have 600k. That is: 5 Essex-class carriers each for 27.000ts > 135.000ts 10 Yorkton-Class carriers each for 20.000ts -> 200.000ts 50 Tench-class-subs with 1600ts per Sub -> 80.000ts 30 Delay-class DE with 1400ts per ship > 52.000ts 5 Independence-class-CVL with 13.000ts per ship -> 65.000ts 4 Commentsment-Bay-class CVE with 12.000ts per ship -> 48.000ts 8 Gridley-class Destroyer at 2250ts each ->20k
The designs are US-submarines (guppy-design, based on the Tench-class) US-carrier-design (Midway-class) Design of the VT-Fuse, (working) Most modern air-sea, air-air and land-air-radar Transistor Jet engine-designs Air drop-mine Working torpedo design F7F and F8F and other needed carrier-planes The airplanes – basically single engine-planes to man the carriers (F6F Hellcat, F4U corsair, Avenger, Hellcat) That’s it. Base: Okinawa…. or Iceland. Game over for Germany and Japan…
For the germans: 300k Naval is simple: 30 Milchkühe at 1200ts each -> 36k ts 100 Type-VII, latest version, > 80k ts 100 Type XXI, 1600ts => 160.000ts 10 Type XID2-long range subs, -> 24.000ts 240 Subs, esp. the XXI are a neck breaker in 1940.
Army: 6 Panzer-Lehr-Divisions, all fully equipped in 1944-standard Airplanes: 100 He219 (200 Engines) 1000 FW190D-9 (1000 Engines) 300 Ta152H (300 Engines) 50 DO335 (100 Engines)
Knowledge: VT-fuse R4M-missle V1 (late version) Fritz-X and Kramer-guided Bomb Stg44 Model 4 tank, version J Penicilin FU240-Berlin air radar (or the better british version, I am not sure if we could mix weapons from the nations) FAT/LUT-Torpedo Zaunkönig-accustic torpedo
Books: Some American, british and german books about the world war2 as a compendium
Base: Canaries… or – if you want to anger the british – Portsmouth, UK (if you have 6 Panzer-Lehrdivisions hanging around you basically do Sealion alone)
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Post by lordroel on Mar 15, 2018 14:35:53 GMT
Base: Canaries… or – if you want to anger the british – Portsmouth, UK (if you have 6 Panzer-Lehrdivisions hanging around you basically do Sealion alone) Depends are you a good guy ore a bad guy.
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Post by steffen on Mar 15, 2018 16:31:04 GMT
Well...
i made two alternatives... one for the USA, that could win them easily the war in the pacific AND also bring in superior planes - basically they could fight from the carriers with superior airplanes against helpless german fighters (Corsair/Hellcat of 1945/46 against Me109E3?)
The other scenario make short work with the british, 6 Panzerdivisions of the Lehr-Type mean around 1300 tanks, Mark4 and Panther, also lots of mobile artillery, full armored transports and supply trucks. Each of them could propably defeat 3-4 british armored divisions of 1940, left alone infantry divisions. The Ta152/FW190D-9 have the range to achive air superiority against ANY british try to break through, the He219 kill any night bomber attack.
The Subs - if we do not move their base to UK - kill UK, also. 100 XXIer mean 30-40 of them on a front mission, the Milk-cows mean the actual build subs could increase their range by factor 2. So basically the sub force is as big as the germans needs them to defeat UK (starve em to death).
with R4M and V1 you also could "kill" the british... R4M mean no daylight strikes, the modern Radar is a death call for the early british bomber force (1940-43er Nightbombing against 1945/46 night intruders with modern radar in cm-wavelength... ) V1 - cheap, reliable... build your firing positions and have "fun". As i mentioned, the later models. So to fast to catch, range is sufficent and with german recon planes easily fotographing the british isles (because of the long-range Do335 recons, that also could kill any british plane on the planet)they know if they hit or not.
After 30-40.000 shot the british could get seriously in trouble, the RAF had lost (6 months later) the chance to bring in fighters (hurricane2 and Spitfire1 and 2 against FW190D? bad idea), so the original bombers could bomb "at will"... also the british isles lack food and supplies, because the subs slaughter them. With better torpedos and accustic torpedos they could hunt themself british surface ships... the radar on these subs will be superior to that on the asw ships. Add in the new "Old" subs of 1940/41 (i think they will switch to the XXIer type, this time not in modular building because there is no need (no air bombing campagin by no surviving BC planes - shot down by HE219 and later other types with the modern radar devices) and from 1942 on mass produced XXIer... and the british are "dead like a dodo".
With portsmouth they are destroyed in winter 1940 latest.
But it is ASB... I think some people underestimate the technological jump from 1940 to 1945 by all armed forces. A russian tank brigade with T34/85 and IS1 could run through a german tank army of 1940, because the russian tanks are so superior to anything the germans could mount. Sure, sometimes they run dry and out of ammo, but untill this point the germans loose 500-1500 tanks. Same is true with a Panzer-Lehrdivision, with 1 panther batallion, 1 Mark4J, all the mounted artillery and Nebelwerfer-units, the full motorized infantry, the mobile AA trucks and tanks.
What could the british of 1940 use to stop em? Sure, large AA guns, similar to the germans. But - with full air superiority going to the germans (the chances of a hurricane or a spitfire 1 or 2 against a FW190D is very small, germany has enough excellent trained pilots so it is something around 10-20:1 in casulties against the british. (and vice versa in the first scenario... Hellcats, later Bearcats against Me109E or F is baby-slaughtering... )
ASB mostly is single sided slaughter of the inferior side...
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Post by lordroel on Mar 15, 2018 16:34:26 GMT
Well... i made two alternatives... one for the USA, that could win them easily the war in the pacific AND also bring in superior planes - basically they could fight from the carriers with superior airplanes against helpless german fighters (Corsair/Hellcat of 1945/46 against Me109E3?) The other scenario make short work with the british, 6 Panzerdivisions of the Lehr-Type mean around 1300 tanks, Mark4 and Panther, also lots of mobile artillery, full armored transports and supply trucks. Each of them could propably defeat 3-4 british armored divisions of 1940, left alone infantry divisions. The Ta152/FW190D-9 have the range to achive air superiority against ANY british try to break through, the He219 kill any night bomber attack. The Subs - if we do not move their base to UK - kill UK, also. 100 XXIer mean 30-40 of them on a front mission, the Milk-cows mean the actual build subs could increase their range by factor 2. So basically the sub force is as big as the germans needs them to defeat UK (starve em to death). with R4M and V1 you also could "kill" the british... R4M mean no daylight strikes, the modern Radar is a death call for the early british bomber force (1940-43er Nightbombing against 1945/46 night intruders with modern radar in cm-wavelength... ) V1 - cheap, reliable... build your firing positions and have "fun". As i mentioned, the later models. So to fast to catch, range is sufficent and with german recon planes easily fotographing the british isles (because of the long-range Do335 recons, that also could kill any british plane on the planet)they know if they hit or not. After 30-40.000 shot the british could get seriously in trouble, the RAF had lost (6 months later) the chance to bring in fighters (hurricane2 and Spitfire1 and 2 against FW190D? bad idea), so the original bombers could bomb "at will"... also the british isles lack food and supplies, because the subs slaughter them. With better torpedos and accustic torpedos they could hunt themself british surface ships... the radar on these subs will be superior to that on the asw ships. Add in the new "Old" subs of 1940/41 (i think they will switch to the XXIer type, this time not in modular building because there is no need (no air bombing campagin by no surviving BC planes - shot down by HE219 and later other types with the modern radar devices) and from 1942 on mass produced XXIer... and the british are "dead like a dodo". With portsmouth they are destroyed in winter 1940 latest. But it is ASB... I think some people underestimate the technological jump from 1940 to 1945 by all armed forces. A russian tank brigade with T34/85 and IS1 could run through a german tank army of 1940, because the russian tanks are so superior to anything the germans could mount. Sure, sometimes they run dry and out of ammo, but untill this point the germans loose 500-1500 tanks. Same is true with a Panzer-Lehrdivision, with 1 panther batallion, 1 Mark4J, all the mounted artillery and Nebelwerfer-units, the full motorized infantry, the mobile AA trucks and tanks. What could the british of 1940 use to stop em? Sure, large AA guns, similar to the germans. But - with full air superiority going to the germans (the chances of a hurricane or a spitfire 1 or 2 against a FW190D is very small, germany has enough excellent trained pilots so it is something around 10-20:1 in casulties against the british. (and vice versa in the first scenario... Hellcats, later Bearcats against Me109E or F is baby-slaughtering... ) ASB mostly is single sided slaughter of the inferior side... Well then you have to fight my 1950 Canadians armed with Centurion Mark II and M4A3E8 Sherman tanks based out of Iceland.
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