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Post by 575 on Jan 12, 2024 11:12:13 GMT
575 I expect the tech level in 2024 to be higher than OTL 2024. 1960 is already in the era of electronics. I don't know how advanced Japanese computer program was in 1960 but they were at least well aware of what a computer is and how it works. So I expect the first computers to be built around 1870-80 at the latest and first personal computers by 1900-1910. This is already a huge thing and just to he tip of the icebefg. Introduction of vaccines and antibiotics means an earlier population boom all around the world. I expect the world to reach 2024 tech level by 1960. It's a possible but I'm not that certain that techology would advance faster than OTL - I wouldn't date a guess as I have no idea how the worlds gonna develop. PC's and internet became the fad OTL but there's no certainty things will develop as such ITTL. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 12, 2024 11:19:31 GMT
575 I expect the tech level in 2024 to be higher than OTL 2024. 1960 is already in the era of electronics. I don't know how advanced Japanese computer program was in 1960 but they were at least well aware of what a computer is and how it works. So I expect the first computers to be built around 1870-80 at the latest and first personal computers by 1900-1910. This is already a huge thing and just to he tip of the icebefg. Introduction of vaccines and antibiotics means an earlier population boom all around the world. I expect the world to reach 2024 tech level by 1960. It's a possible but I'm not that certain that techology would advance faster than OTL - I wouldn't date a guess as I have no idea how the worlds gonna develop. PC's and internet became the fad OTL but there's no certainty things will develop as such ITTL. Personal computers are too useful to not be developed IMO. Japan in 1960 is a highly educated society so it can take over much of the tech development done by the west OTL. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 12, 2024 11:25:34 GMT
The more important question is - where does Japan find the resources to sustain it's economy?
The nearest oil is in Manchuria. So it can either invade Manchuria or reach a trade deal with the Qing China.
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Post by stevep on Jan 12, 2024 18:40:12 GMT
I wonder how exactly will the 1960 Japan change the 19th century world? What butterflies are the most obvious? Change + Butterflies: telling the Europeans and Americans that we are your equals/superiors in every aspect (just wait till post negotiating trade deals of course write the treaties yourself which will infuriate the E and A's) and don't go for colonies but respect other peoples. Do de-colonize whats already in such state and leave the Africans to themselves. No slavery, thank you very much.
Political option: occupy Korea and Manchuria which will of course bring a war with China, Amur Province and Sakhalin which isn't Russian at this time, establish protectorate of Thailand/Siam, North Sumatra, Hawaii, Samoa and whatever isn't a colony in the Pacific.
Possibilities: Build the Suez and Panama Canals and get a protectorate on both.
Well that 1st bit will be rather off as I would expect as you suggest that Japan will seek colonial possessions of their own.
Also it would be a bit odd to sat "leave the Africans to themselves" as that would perpetuate slavery there. Both that local to the internal nations and from the assorted Muslim/Arab raiders from the north and east. Its only western Europeans at this point seeking to end slavery.
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Post by stevep on Jan 12, 2024 18:48:09 GMT
575 I expect the tech level in 2024 to be higher than OTL 2024. 1960 is already in the era of electronics. I don't know how advanced Japanese computer program was in 1960 but they were at least well aware of what a computer is and how it works. So I expect the first computers to be built around 1870-80 at the latest and first personal computers by 1900-1910. This is already a huge thing and just to he tip of the icebefg. Introduction of vaccines and antibiotics means an earlier population boom all around the world. I expect the world to reach 2024 tech level by 1960.
For a massive expansion of computer usage you need markets for them. Which you can't have without a massive boost in education across much of the world. 1960's Japan is posed for a massive industrial and technological boost OTL because there's a very large market for the assorted items around the world. In 1853 a lot of that market for any sophisticated goods simply doesn't exist because very few people would have the wealth and even less the capacity to use such items. Even if you have computer programmers/users you need a power supply for their operation.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 12, 2024 19:17:33 GMT
stevepLike I said, personal computers likely won't be available until 1900 or 1910. But even in 1853 there is still market for mainframe computers at universities and research institutes, for the military etc etc.
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Post by stevep on Jan 12, 2024 19:46:06 GMT
stevep Like I said, personal computers likely won't be available until 1900 or 1910. But even in 1853 there is still market for mainframe computers at universities and research institutes, for the military etc etc.
How? That would need people who can operate them and also the infrastructure to support them, which isn't just a secure electrical power supply. 1860's Europe let alone anywhere in the world isn't read for such facilities. Marginally less of a problem say for motor vehicles or other such goods but still a hell of a lot of knowledge and infrastructure would be needed for such items to be practical anywhere outside Japan.
Probably more efficient railway engines and not too greatly advanced steam engines would be the most likely items to be quickly sold overseas. Along with of course Japan replacing the UK as the primary source of high quality iron and steel and the like.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 12, 2024 21:15:56 GMT
Ukrainian and Belarussian SSR from June 22nd 1981 to June 22nd 1941.
What happens after they repel the German invasion? They surely will not trust Stalin and Stalin will not trust them either.
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 15, 2024 4:36:16 GMT
'1942 US And Nazi Germany To 1914'.
Again, let's assume it takes place on January 1st of both years.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2024 13:17:35 GMT
'1942 US And Nazi Germany To 1914'. Again, let's assume it takes place on January 1st of both years. In this scenario Germany takes over all of Europe easily... There is nothing the US can realistically do about it.  |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 20, 2024 14:14:49 GMT
1993 Chechnya ISOT to June 22 1941.
Can the 1941 USSR deal with 1993 Chechnya? At what a cost?
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 23, 2024 21:11:15 GMT
'2022 Hawaii To 1942'.
Again, say it happens on January 1st of both years.
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 28, 2024 5:15:01 GMT
‘FDR And His Cabinet To 1861’.
Say ASB brainwashes the public into his accepting his presidency, making it all the easier as FDR leads the Union into war with the Confederate States.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 28, 2024 12:02:44 GMT
‘FDR And His Cabinet To 1861’. Say ASB brainwashes the public into his accepting his presidency, making it all the easier as FDR leads the Union into war with the Confederate States. He appoints Grant as the commander of the army early on... ACW ends in 1862-63 and not 1865? |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 28, 2024 12:04:21 GMT
Napileonic Egypt from July 21st 1798 to 3000 BC
What becomes of Napoleonic Egypt?
Napoleon has 40,000 soldiers and 10,000 sailors in 13 ships of the line and 14 frigates. He's just won the battle of the Pyramids and is in control of Egypt. He knows the year he's in.
What does he do? IMO he sends a frigate on a reconnaissance mission to Europe which finds a neolithic society has now replaced OTL Europe. His army becomes the new ruling elite.
Does he comvert to Islam? It'd make sense to convert at least nominally. If yes, what might his next steps be?
How do you imagine the world to look like 20, 100, 500 years after the ISOT?
stevep?
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