gillan1220
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Post by gillan1220 on May 9, 2024 2:49:18 GMT
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 5:23:31 GMT
As with the South Korea scenario, there's going to be a massive exchange of technology except even greater. Provided that the Philipines don't just invade the Thirteen Colonies. The temptation is clearly there since the Philipines is overpopulated set of islands and the Thirteen Colonies are a few mln people at best. |
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Post by gillan1220 on May 9, 2024 5:37:25 GMT
As with the South Korea scenario, there's going to be a massive exchange of technology except even greater. Provided that the Philipines don't just invade the Thirteen Colonies. The temptation is clearly there since the Philipines is overpopulated set of islands and the Thirteen Colonies are a few mln people at best. I wonder if uptime American diplomatic personnel, tourists, expats, and military personnel as part of EDCA would react seeing their DT counterparts. The Founding Fathers would be surprised how far the U.S. has reached from a simple rebellion to a global superpower almost 270 years later. Now imagine the UT Americans and Filipinos providing the Patriots with M4, R4, and M16 rifles to rebel against the British. The relocated UT Philippines would be a global power overnight with the world's most powerful navy (1 x Tarlac-class SSV and 3 x Gregorio del Pilar-class OPVs as of 2016), but it would also suffer casualties in the sense the temperature is now different. Especially in the urban poor areas. We might see an ecological change as tropical fruits, crops, and animals die out. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 6:11:33 GMT
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Post by gillan1220 on May 9, 2024 6:39:10 GMT
Still reeling from WWII but has a descent regional military backed by the U.S. If Clark and Subic are ISOTed too, that would mean there is sizable naval and air presence. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 7:22:51 GMT
1650 AD Philippines to 650 BC .this is after some 80 years of Spanish rule. - Catholicism is widely practiced - Gunpowder is known. Paper should be known. The printing press is already in the country since 1597. - There is already a university in the Philipined. Is it only my impression that the few Spaniards who sre in the islands are going to assimilate into local cultures? gillan1220 kasumigenx |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 9:30:32 GMT
Scenario 1:Soviet Far East (including all troops) from 9 August 1945 (the day of the Manchurian Operation started) ISOT to June 22 1941 Soviet troops in the Far East at the time 1,577,725 troops 27,086 artillery pieces 1,152 rocket launchers 5,556 tanks and self-propelled guns 3,721 aircraft ISOT is from exactly 1 second before the start of the operation so the Soviet troops actually attack the Japanese troops in 1941 Manchuria Scenario 2Moscow city and Moscow oblast from June 1 1985 to June 1 1941. If there are nuclear weapons in or around Moscow in 1985, they're not ISOTed stevep
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Post by 575 on May 9, 2024 11:02:07 GMT
Scenario 1:Soviet Far East (including all troops) from 9 August 1945 (the day of the Manchurian Operation started) ISOT to June 22 1941 Soviet troops in the Far East at the time 1,577,725 troops 27,086 artillery pieces 1,152 rocket launchers 5,556 tanks and self-propelled guns 3,721 aircraft ISOT is from exactly 1 second before the start of the operation so the Soviet troops actually attack the Japanese troops in 1941 Manchuria Scenario 2Moscow city and Moscow oblast from June 1 1985 to June 1 1941. If there are nuclear weapons in or around Moscow in 1985, they're not ISOTed stevep Sc 1: Though the Soviets will soon be able to move a large part of the Army west some have to be kept to liberate Manchuria and Korea as well as lending the KMT a helping hand. Problem - this put Japan in war with the Soviets so L-L won't initially (depending upon circumstances) go to Vladivostok. The Japanese may not be at war with the US but with an intact IJN this will be problematic. The Soviet Army had been able to march east OTL so it will not encumber the Trans-Siberian RR when moving west - unless Stalin won't them back fast. He may that.
Sc 2: posed to stevep so won't answer!
However - from what I have available the 4 Guards Tank Division - a reserve unit - would mobilize at Moscow also there would be an Army HQ. Probably also some Interceptors though Matthias Rust haven't made his flight yet and some SAM's. Gorbachev have come to power 11 March and is about to launch a restictive campaign on alcohol consumption will soon have other things on his mind. At least a more humane rule than Stalin and the other blockheads will make the peoples wanting to follow his lead though strong forces within the CPSU may have other thoughts.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 11:08:44 GMT
575Will the L-L go to Murmansk instead? Will the 1.5 mln troops in the Far East be able to fully crush the IJA? There is approx. 650,000 troops in Manchuria (the Kwantung Army) and slightly over 1m in China. Soviet advantage at least in artillery and tanks is enormous though.
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Post by 575 on May 9, 2024 12:36:12 GMT
575 Will the L-L go to Murmansk instead? Will the 1.5 mln troops in the Far East be able to fully crush the IJA? There is approx. 650,000 troops in Manchuria (the Kwantung Army) and slightly over 1m in China. Soviet advantage at least in artillery and tanks is enormous though. Murmansk or Iran/Persia.
I think the Kwantung Army will suffer very badly though it won't be 1945. Even so the Soviets have the Paratroops for vertical encirclement to employ. The Soviet 1945 Army is something quite more capable than its 1941 counterpart and the Airforce dedicated to support ground operations.
I expect the Soviets to occupy a substantial part of Manchuria which will hurt the Japanese mainly by lengthening Japanese supply lines. The Soviets do have Submarines and Japanese shipping will be prey. If not Stalin say "sorry, sorry" and try to pull out once the Germans jump off. Hitler of course will be elated at having the Japanese fighting the Soviets.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 12:41:57 GMT
575I guess the Japanese will have to redeploy a significant amount of troops from China to try to stabilize the situation... which I'm not sure they'll manage to do. IJA of 1941 has hardly any AT guns capable of penetrating the T-34 and it's air arm is worse equipped than the Soviet AF. Isn't a major Chinese victory the most plausible outcome then?
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 9, 2024 18:17:09 GMT
2020 North Korea to 1950. Let's reverse the Korea ISOT  |
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Post by 575 on May 9, 2024 18:58:26 GMT
575 I guess the Japanese will have to redeploy a significant amount of troops from China to try to stabilize the situation... which I'm not sure they'll manage to do. IJA of 1941 has hardly any AT guns capable of penetrating the T-34 and it's air arm is worse equipped than the Soviet AF. Isn't a major Chinese victory the most plausible outcome then? With a 1:1 IJA - Soviet forces the IJA may well have to shift forces north to try stop the Soviets. The main problem for the Soviets will be the German attack that will certainly make for a pullout of forces to defend in the West (of Soviet Union). IJA is badly off handling this mobile Soviet force but the Soviets will need a quick win.
Chinese, well I'm uncertain they have the troops able to push back the IJA even with on the defensive. OTL there they managed to hold when the IJA realized it was running out of steam. They may do a little better if the US and Allies will be able to move more arms and ammunition to them. Chinese victory - if the Soviets tie down enough of the IJA the Chinese may be able to do something. Problem is OTL the Soviets dismantled industry in Manchuria probably seen as reparations for aid given the KMT which the Chinese couldn't do anything about. Also Stalin was dealing with KMT much to the annoyance of Mao. OTOH there is the possibility of a resurgence of the Chinese Civil War which will hardly benefit anybody but the IJA!
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Post by gillan1220 on May 10, 2024 1:50:27 GMT
1650 AD Philippines to 650 BC .this is after some 80 years of Spanish rule. - Catholicism is widely practiced - Gunpowder is known. Paper should be known. The printing press is already in the country since 1597. - There is already a university in the Philipined. Is it only my impression that the few Spaniards who sre in the islands are going to assimilate into local cultures? gillan1220 kasumigenx The Philippines would be easier to conquer for Spain. The Spanish may even expand into Formosa and Sabah. But the question where will 1650 Spanish administration get their support since 650 BC Iberian peninsula wasn't even a political entity yet. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on May 10, 2024 2:18:42 GMT
gillan1220The Spanish in the Philippines are on their own. This is what this scenario is all about. I think they may also colonize Japan. By the way, do you know what native Filipino ships looked like? I doubt there are many European ships in the Philippines in 1650 AD.
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