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Post by razor007 on Apr 2, 2022 5:52:50 GMT
One supercarrier is not going to end it earlier. Eventually, the supercarrier will run out of ammo and fuel for its planes.
Depending on how its used it will end it earlier. The ammo and fuel will be serious problems but the sheer knowledge and the fact that while those factors last it - plus were there some supporting vessels - would really screw over any enemy forces where it was.
If its got nukes and I would assume it has then where their used and against what targets would have a big impact. How big would depend on how the targeted countries react. Especially since they won't know how many/few nukes the US actually has.
The Reversed-outcome for Pearl Harbor alone has a HUGE impact on WW2.US Airforce and Navy SAVED while Japanese Air and Navy elements SLAUGHTERED!!! Nuke Tokyo, killing the ENTIRE Royal Family and most of their Political/Military Leaders! Follow it with Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Have the Nimitz bombard the large, starving Japanese Army attacking China and India. |
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Post by melanie on Apr 2, 2022 6:29:55 GMT
lordroel razor has advocated a race war in another thread and now the mass murder of Japanese civilians, which include children.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2022 6:31:48 GMT
lordroel razor has advocated a race war in another thread and now the mass murder of Japanese civilians, which include children. I am on it, also use the report function on the post to report it. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2022 6:37:21 GMT
Depending on how its used it will end it earlier. The ammo and fuel will be serious problems but the sheer knowledge and the fact that while those factors last it - plus were there some supporting vessels - would really screw over any enemy forces where it was. If its got nukes and I would assume it has then where their used and against what targets would have a big impact. How big would depend on how the targeted countries react. Especially since they won't know how many/few nukes the US actually has.
The Reversed-outcome for Pearl Harbor alone has a HUGE impact on WW2.US Airforce and Navy SAVED while Japanese Air and Navy elements SLAUGHTERED!!! Nuke Tokyo, killing the ENTIRE Royal Family and most of their Political/Military Leaders! Follow it with Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Have the Nimitz bombard the large, starving Japanese Army attacking China and India.
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Post by melanie on Apr 2, 2022 8:18:47 GMT
lordroel razor has advocated a race war in another thread and now the mass murder of Japanese civilians, which include children. I am on it, also use the report function on the post to report it. thank you, i will note that. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2022 8:23:49 GMT
I am on it, also use the report function on the post to report it. thank you, i will note that.
Rule X: No Backseat Moderating. Let the Administrator (Lordroel) or a moderator (Inspector General) do the moderating. Backseat Moderating is when people who are not Moderators try to enforce the forum rules. Whenever you see a person breaking the rules, take advantage of the "Report this post to a moderator" link. Or simply IGNORE the offensive post(s) or thread.
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Post by melanie on Apr 2, 2022 8:34:03 GMT
I was shocked at what razor said and was not thinking too well. I am sorry, lordroel |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2022 8:38:53 GMT
I was shocked at what razor said and was not thinking too well. I am sorry, lordroelI understand, but the best action is to report the post in question so i and members of the staff can look into it. I now considers this closes and will wait razor007 responds to my question. |
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Post by razor007 on Apr 3, 2022 2:15:30 GMT
The Reversed-outcome for Pearl Harbor alone has a HUGE impact on WW2.US Airforce and Navy SAVED while Japanese Air and Navy elements SLAUGHTERED!!! Nuke Tokyo, killing the ENTIRE Royal Family and most of their Political/Military Leaders! Follow it with Hiroshima and Nagasaki! Have the Nimitz bombard the large, starving Japanese Army attacking China and India.
Uh, Hiroshima and Nagaski were historical targets Had Japan delayed its surrender historically the US would have dropped 6-12 Atomic Bombs the next day. I've read Einstein's book/biography, the US Military wanted to Nuke Japan and didn't give a shit about 'collateral damage' Tokyo has the Royal Family and various Political/Military Leaders. Break their will to fight in 1941. Atomic Bombs just accelerated Japan's surrender historically so the Allies/Soviets didn't have to invade. Wow, you're all trying to hide how vicious the Allies were in WW2. With Nimitz they would have slaughtered the Axis Soldiers AND Civilians until they surrendered. They would have nuked Berlin, Rome and Dresden if they could. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2022 7:35:43 GMT
Need a answer from you here razor007,, I do hope you mean ending the war as quickly as possible and not killing the entire Japanese population solution, as this is not something i will allow on the forum regardless what period event happens.
Uh, Hiroshima and Nagaski were historical targets Had Japan delayed its surrender historically the US would have dropped 6-12 Atomic Bombs the next day. I've read Einstein's book/biography, the US Military wanted to Nuke Japan and didn't give a shit about 'collateral damage' Tokyo has the Royal Family and various Political/Military Leaders. Break their will to fight in 1941. Atomic Bombs just accelerated Japan's surrender historically so the Allies/Soviets didn't have to invade. Wow, you're all trying to hide how vicious the Allies were in WW2. With Nimitz they would have slaughtered the Axis Soldiers AND Civilians until they surrendered. They would have nuked Berlin, Rome and Dresden if they could. I consider this a good enough explanation. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 3, 2022 13:55:01 GMT
Need a answer from you here razor007 ,, I do hope you mean ending the war as quickly as possible and not killing the entire Japanese population solution, as this is not something i will allow on the forum regardless what period event happens.
Uh, Hiroshima and Nagaski were historical targets Had Japan delayed its surrender historically the US would have dropped 6-12 Atomic Bombs the next day. I've read Einstein's book/biography, the US Military wanted to Nuke Japan and didn't give a shit about 'collateral damage'Tokyo has the Royal Family and various Political/Military Leaders. Break their will to fight in 1941. Atomic Bombs just accelerated Japan's surrender historically so the Allies/Soviets didn't have to invade. Wow, you're all trying to hide how vicious the Allies were in WW2. With Nimitz they would have slaughtered the Axis Soldiers AND Civilians until they surrendered. They would have nuked Berlin, Rome and Dresden if they could.
Agree with most of your points but from what I've read they would shortly have had a 3rd bomb then not another for at least a couple of months IIRC. Don't think they had anything like a dozen or even six on hand.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2022 14:05:04 GMT
Uh, Hiroshima and Nagaski were historical targets Had Japan delayed its surrender historically the US would have dropped 6-12 Atomic Bombs the next day. I've read Einstein's book/biography, the US Military wanted to Nuke Japan and didn't give a shit about 'collateral damage'Tokyo has the Royal Family and various Political/Military Leaders. Break their will to fight in 1941. Atomic Bombs just accelerated Japan's surrender historically so the Allies/Soviets didn't have to invade. Wow, you're all trying to hide how vicious the Allies were in WW2. With Nimitz they would have slaughtered the Axis Soldiers AND Civilians until they surrendered. They would have nuked Berlin, Rome and Dresden if they could. Agree with most of your points but from what I've read they would shortly have had a 3rd bomb then not another for at least a couple of months IIRC. Don't think they had anything like a dozen or even six on hand.
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Post by stevep on Apr 3, 2022 14:47:13 GMT
Agree with most of your points but from what I've read they would shortly have had a 3rd bomb then not another for at least a couple of months IIRC. Don't think they had anything like a dozen or even six on hand.
Could they not use Nimitz reactor to build nukes.
Not sure if you can given it would take time if at all possibly to upgrade from reactor level to bomb level. Also I got the feeling that razor007, was talking about OTL. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2022 14:51:33 GMT
Could they not use Nimitz reactor to build nukes. Not sure if you can given it would take time if at all possibly to upgrade from reactor level to bomb level. Also I got the feeling that razor007, was talking about OTL. I know, wanted to move the thread back onto track with my question. |
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Post by razor007 on Apr 3, 2022 16:18:35 GMT
The Nimitz intervening at Pearl Harbor causes more damage to the Japanese Navy than what Midway did in OTL. US Pacific Fleet and Airforce suffer no casualties.
Allies start mass-producing Mustangs, Corsairs and Thunderbolts to massacre the Axis Airforce and Navy. Improved Shermans with Bigger Guns are made to decimate Axis tanks. AK-47s give Allied Infantry a big advantage.
More Axis cities are firebombed until they surrender much earlier. More Axis cities are nuked if they don't surrender that fast.
WW2 is over by 1943. NATO is much larger while the Warsaw Pact is much smaller. The Nationalist control most of China. All of Korea is under Rhee's control.
Both sides massively reduce nuclear weapons production in favor of more investments in other fronts like the Space Race
The Nimitz would intimidate South Africa into letting go of Aparthied in the late-1940s
US does not overthrow Honduras' democratic government. Cuba's dictator Bautista is replaced with someone much less cruel and more competent. US never gets involved in Vietnam.
Nixon never becomes president. Watergate ruins him. Democratic Party is much more Progressive and controls the Presidency and Congress much longer. Eisenhower is horrified at what the Republican Party becomes.
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