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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 10:45:44 GMT
At least the pseudo-Bonapartist regime in the Third French Empire never tried to establish a totalitarian state as the old elite retained most of their power while the Japanese tried in the Showa Restoration that Japanese Prime Minister Ikki Kita tried to achieve and the British, under Oswald Mosley and the "New Empire". Well the Third French Empire wanted to turn back the clock to the good days of the Second French Empire. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 9, 2016 10:47:59 GMT
(OOC: So, France is Fascist Italy-level bad while the Japanese and the British tried to achieve Third Reich-level nastiness)
IC: What do you think of Ikki Kita's actions and his so-called Showa Restoration? Also, why do you think did the IJN's coup against the regime of Ikki Kita and Sadao Araki succeed?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 10:54:18 GMT
(OOC: So, France is Fascist Italy-level bad while the Japanese and the British tried to achieve Third Reich-level nastiness) IC: What do you think of Ikki Kita's actions and his so-called Showa Restoration? Also, why do you think did the IJN's coup against the regime of Ikki Kita and Sadao Araki succeed? (OOC: i think that we can asume that is correcht). IC: I think the coup succeeded because the Ikki Kita regime was so bad that almost everybody was afraid of it due the regime arresting anybody who toughed about do something to the regime, the coup only succeed because the Imperial Navy was the once to launch it as they control who they could trust due them being in control of their basses overseas where they made sure no regime supporter was there. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 9, 2016 10:57:57 GMT
Yes, they infamously purged some of their best generals for being connected to the Toseiha faction (the rivals to the Kodoha faction), cowing the IJA and leading to some catastrophic decisions as Army Minister Sadao Araki gave ridiculous orders in the Asian Front like ordering the Kwantung Army to take Irkutsk in the attempt to invade Russia where they couldn't even take Vladivostok (where Vasily Chuikov led a heroic defense) or Khabarovsk.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 11:04:50 GMT
Yes, they infamously purged some of their best generals for being connected to the Toseiha faction (the rivals to the Kodoha faction), cowing the IJA and leading to some catastrophic decisions as Army Minister Sadao Araki gave ridiculous orders in the Asian Front like ordering the Kwantung Army to take Irkutsk in the attempt to invade Russia where they couldn't even take Vladivostok (where Vasily Chuikov led a heroic defense) or Khabarovsk. Well the regime toughed by doing this they removed any change of a coup from the army against them, the forgot that the Imperial Navy who remained neutral could be a danger to them, the where only proven wrong when the navy launched the coup. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 9, 2016 11:30:42 GMT
Yes, the Imperial Japanese Navy decided after the destruction of the Kwantung Army in July 1945 that enough was enough and on the night of August 6-7, 1945, the Imperial Navy, with assistance from General Tadamichi Kuribayashi, who was one of the few allies Yamamoto found in the army, overthrew the Kodoha government of Ikki Kita and Sadao Araki and asked for peace talks a few days later where Japan got a lenient peace where in exchange for giving Korea independence and declaring war on it's former allies in the Entente, the Japanese would retain Formosa and their navy (along with any garrison forces in the Home Islands and Formosa).
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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 11:32:04 GMT
Yes, the Imperial Japanese Navy decided after the destruction of the Kwantung Army in July 1945 that enough was enough and on the night of August 6-7, 1945, the Imperial Navy, with assistance from General Tadamichi Kuribayashi, who was one of the few allies Yamamoto found in the army, overthrew the Kodoha government of Ikki Kita and Sadao Araki and asked for peace talks a few days later where Japan got a lenient peace where in exchange for giving Korea independence and declaring war on it's former allies in the Entente, the Japanese would retain Formosa and their navy (along with any garrison forces in the Home Islands and Formosa). Well it was a good deal, better than anybody at that time expected. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 9, 2016 11:37:13 GMT
Did you read the book "Coup at Midnight" detailing the events of the August 6-7 coup d'etat against the Kodoha regime? It details the events which led to the coup as well like Operation Dragon's Wake, the Russo-Chinese destruction of the Kwantung Army and the catastrophe of the Battle of the South China Sea where the French Far Eastern Fleet (2 light cruisers and 6 destroyers) was wiped out and the Japanese Combined Fleet lost 3 of it's 8 remaining Battleships, 4 of it's 6 Carriers, 4 of it's 13 Heavy Cruisers, 5 of it's 12 Light Cruisers, and 14 of it's 45 destroyers.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 11:40:51 GMT
Did you read the book "Coup at Midnight" detailing the events of the August 6-7 coup d'etat against the Kodoha regime? It details the events which led to the coup as well like Operation Dragon's Wake, the Russo-Chinese destruction of the Kwantung Army and the catastrophe of the Battle of the South China Sea where the French Far Eastern Fleet (2 light cruisers and 6 destroyers) was wiped out and the Japanese Combined Fleet lost 3 of it's 8 remaining Battleships, 4 of it's 6 Carriers, 4 of it's 13 Heavy Cruisers, 5 of it's 12 Light Cruisers, and 14 of it's 45 destroyers. The Battle of the South China Sea should never have happen in the first place, the only reason why it was fought because the Kodoha regime forced the Imperial Japanese Navy into it as the Kodoha regime wanted to show the French that they would support them wherever needed. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 9, 2016 11:48:38 GMT
Needless to say, Yamamoto was livid over the stupid action the Kodoha did and the Japanese people woke up on August 7 with the big guns of Yamato, Musashi, Shinano, Satsuma, Kii, Ise, and Nagato at Tokyo Bay along with the carriers Katsuragi and Taiho and the forces of General Kuribayashi's 11th Army marching through the streets of Tokyo with an announcement on the radio that "Ikki Kita has been deposed for the security of the Japanese People".
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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 11:57:57 GMT
Needless to say, Yamamoto was livid over the stupid action the Kodoha did and the Japanese people woke up on August 7 with the big guns of Yamato, Musashi, Shinano, Satsuma, Kii, Ise, and Nagato at Tokyo Bay along with the carriers Katsuragi and Taiho and the forces of General Kuribayashi's 11th Army marching through the streets of Tokyo with an announcement on the radio that "Ikki Kita has been deposed for the security of the Japanese People". It was a great show of force and one that showed the Japanese people that the Imperial Japanese Navy would no longer serve under a regime like this. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 9, 2016 12:03:16 GMT
The actual arrests of Ikki Kita, Sadao Araki, and the other senior generals and leaders of the Kodoha regime were actually done by a mixture of IJN naval infantry and General Kuribayashi's men. So, what do you think was the most decisive naval battle in the European Front?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 9, 2016 12:06:41 GMT
The actual arrests of Ikki Kita, Sadao Araki, and the other senior generals and leaders of the Kodoha regime were actually done by a mixture of IJN naval infantry and General Kuribayashi's men. So, what do you think was the most decisive naval battle in the European Front? The Naval battle of the Norwegian Sea in October 1945 followed by the Naval battle of the coast of Mallorca in 1943 and the Raid of Scapa Flow in May 1946 if we can call that a naval battle. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 10, 2016 2:32:27 GMT
So, what do you think of Operation Crossroads, the first underwater nuclear test on February 11, 1947?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 10, 2016 7:29:02 GMT
So, what do you think of Operation Crossroads, the first underwater nuclear test on February 11, 1947? shame that all those battleships where used in the explosion but then again it showed that the age of the battleship was over and the age of the aircraft carrier had begun. |
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