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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 12:37:33 GMT
Well, the warships I mentioned were the only modern warships larger than a destroyer the Holy British Empire had by then for 3 WW1-era light cruisers and the old pre-dreadnought Agamemnon and the old dreadnought Neptune were at Liverpool while the Armored Cruiser Minotaur was at Belfast and due to the fact their boilers ran on coal, Minotaur and Agamemnon were probably still mobile by the end of the war! Also, what do you think was the luckiest warship each power had in WW2 and why?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 12:47:51 GMT
what do you think was the luckiest warship each power had in WW2 and why? I think the Graf Spee for Germany was the most luckiest warship it was hit more times than any ships in any navies and now is a nice museum to visit.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 12:53:16 GMT
On the other side (the Sorelians), I could argue that HIMS Henry VIII was the luckiest warship the Holy British Empire had as it survived the war in good condition even though the British Imperial Navy was virtually destroyed at Scapa Flow and I think that it is fortunate that the United Commonwealth didn't expend her in a nuclear test like HIMS Nelson and HIMS Southampton and decided to display her in Sydney as a museum in my opinion. Also, what major warship do you think was the worst in WW2? Me? I'd go with the French Battleship Alsace as she was sunk after just 16 days and was a waste of sailors and resources as only 165 of her crew members were rescued, 75 by escorting destroyers and 90 by the Russian fleet which sunk her.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 12:56:44 GMT
On the other side (the Sorelians), I could argue that HIMS Henry VIII was the luckiest warship the Holy British Empire had as it survived the war in good condition even though the British Imperial Navy was virtually destroyed at Scapa Flow and I think that it is fortunate that the United Commonwealth didn't expend her in a nuclear test like HIMS Nelson and HIMS Southampton and decided to display her in Sydney as a museum in my opinion. Also, what major warship do you think was the worst in WW2? Me? I'd go with the French Battleship Alsace as she was sunk after just 16 days and was a waste of sailors and resources as only 165 of her crew members were rescued, 75 by escorting destroyers and 90 by the Russian fleet which sunk her. French Battleship Alsace was a waste of resources, also the Napoleon I here sister ship which was still being build when the war ended where a waste of resource the Third French Empire could have better spend on submarines and other coastal ships.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 13:03:27 GMT
Well, the Dunkereque-class of Battlecruisers was arguably the best capital ship the French had as one of the four built of them actually survived the war and France could have built four Joffre-class aircraft carriers (only two were completed historically) or three Dunkerque-class Battlecruisers out of the steel used on the Alsace-class Battleships. Also, your view on the IJN Satsuma (OOC: OTL A-150/Super Yamato), which was completed in July 1945, a few weeks before the coup overthrew the Araki regime? Should they have built 2-3 Taiho-class carriers out of the steel used on the Satsuma?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 13:08:05 GMT
Well, the Dunkereque-class of Battlecruisers was arguably the best capital ship the French had as one of the four built of them actually survived the war and France could have built four Joffre-class aircraft carriers (only two were completed historically) or three Dunkerque-class Battlecruisers out of the steel used on the Alsace-class Battleships. Also, your view on the IJN Satsuma (OOC: OTL A-150/Super Yamato), which was completed in July 1945, a few weeks before the coup overthrew the Araki regime? Should they have built 2-3 Taiho-class carriers out of the steel used on the Satsuma? I think they should but it was a prestige thing they government forced upon the Imperial Japanese Navy who really did not want that monster in their fleet, the Imperial Japanese Navy was content with the 3 Yamatos as their biggest battleships and did not feel that that the monster of IJN Satsuma would bring anything for them except a waste of material.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 13:17:52 GMT
Admiral Yamamoto famously said that the IJN Satsuma was "A disaster waiting to happen when it meets the carriers of the enemy" and while IJN Satsuma was placed in reserve in 1949 and scrapped in 1962, all three Yamato-class Battleships are still around with Musashi and Shinano being "museums in commission" with the maintenance of said ships including ensuring they can still fight while Yamato is the IJN's flagship. So, what do you think of the Dunkerque-class Battlecruisers of the Third French Empire? Were they the best capital ships the French built?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 13:21:56 GMT
Admiral Yamamoto famously said that the IJN Satsuma was "A disaster waiting to happen when it meets the carriers of the enemy" and while IJN Satsuma was placed in reserve in 1949 and scrapped in 1962, all three Yamato-class Battleships are still around with Musashi and Shinano being "museums in commission" with the maintenance of said ships including ensuring they can still fight while Yamato is the IJN's flagship. So, what do you think of the Dunkerque-class Battlecruisers of the Third French Empire? Were they the best capital ships the French built? The 4 Richelieu-class battleships are the best capital ships the French built in my eyes.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 13:29:31 GMT
Okay, so, what do you think was the greatest tank battle of WW2, then?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 13:40:15 GMT
Okay, so, what do you think was the greatest tank battle of WW2, then? cannot recall that simply out of my mind so fast, but what is yours.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 13:43:22 GMT
I'd go with the Battle of Fulda, the furthest the Sorelians penetrated into Germany, where the 3rd and 5th Panzer Armies, along with the 1st Guards Tank Army, defeated the French army and pushed it back 75km.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 13:46:28 GMT
I'd go with the Battle of Fulda, the furthest the Sorelians penetrated into Germany, where the 3rd and 5th Panzer Armies, along with the 1st Guards Tank Army, defeated the French army and pushed it back 75km. Is that not the battle where field Marshall Charles de Gaulle made it clear to French High command, we are being steamrolled by the enemy.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 5, 2016 9:51:48 GMT
Yea, that was it, and how long do you think would it take for the Third French Empire, the Holy British Empire, and the Great Japanese Empire to have turned on each other if the Sorelian Entente had won the War considering they had many contradictory visions for victory for the Japanese envisioned a "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" while the pseudo-Bonapartist regime in France wanted to revive the Napoleonic Continental System with a German Confederation dominated by Bavaria being carved out of Germany along with an "Intermarum Union" as well (basically a Greater Poland in all but name) while the British wanted to seize all of the Allied Colonies? Also, did you read Winston Churchill's memoirs in which he stated that along with David Lloyd George, he pushed for Emperor Edward I to make peace with the Allies as early as 1944 but Oswald Mosley persuaded him to fight to the death and only the nuking of Cardiff was enough to make Churchill launch his coup which overthrew Mosley and led to Britain's surrender? (OOC: Churchill and DLG are with the HBE because they historically supported Edward VIII in the Abdication Crisis)
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Post by lordroel on Jul 5, 2016 14:52:52 GMT
Yea, that was it, and how long do you think would it take for the Third French Empire, the Holy British Empire, and the Great Japanese Empire to have turned on each other if the Sorelian Entente had won the War Do they have nuclear weapons in you scenario.
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 6, 2016 0:05:13 GMT
Yes, they have nukes in said scenario.
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