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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 12:59:34 GMT
Was the collapse of Austria-Hungary what caused the Great War in itself or was the fall of the Austro-Hungarian Empire merely the spark which ignited the fire in your opinion? I'd lean towards the latter due to Alsace-Lorraine, Korea, Afghanistan and Persia, or the Balkan troubles could have led to the Great War. Also, what do you think of the latest episode of "Struggle for the Iron Throne" (OOC: Alt-Game of Thrones)? It features Cersei launching a bloody coup d'etat which leads to most of the Small Council along with any of her opponents in the capital being picked off by the Kingsguard and either arrested or killed with Tommen dying and Cersei having a new, more pliable puppet on the Iron Throne. You mean the civil War that broke out in Austria-Hungary in 1913, i do think it was a major factor in starting the Great War but i also think that there are so many other factors who are to blame that came together in sparking the war. Have not see the the the last episode of Struggle for the Iron Throne yet, but i think that the coup will be the end of Cersei as the people will most likely revolt. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 2, 2016 13:07:00 GMT
Yes, the Tyrells and the Dornish are rallying behind Daenarys while the North and the Vale have proclaimed their independence and the Freys have just been defeated in a major battle against Tully loyalists and a Vale army with Jaime fleeing to Kings Landing and Walder Frey committing suicide and his sons being assassinated. I'm sure that Myrcella Baratheon's reign would be the shortest in Westerosi history with her being virtually a prisoner in the Red Keep and Lannister forces control only the Crownlands, most of the Stormlands, and the Westerlands. Also, so, what do you think caused the civil war in Austria-Hungary? Czech and Croatian calls for them to be elevated into kingdoms within the Empire?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 13:16:59 GMT
what do you think caused the civil war in Austria-Hungary? Czech and Croatian calls for them to be elevated into kingdoms within the Empire Resulting in the Austrians in 1912 to use force to control them which spiral out of control resulting in the beginning of the civil war in 1913 and latter the great war in 1914. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 2, 2016 13:24:01 GMT
I could argue that the Great War was caused by the assassination of Russian Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin by a Hungarian Ultra-nationalist on November 22, 1914 in Stockholm in the failed conference which tried to resolve the Crisis in Austria-Hungary as the Hungarian ultranationalist was angered by the fact Stolypin wanted to create an independent Slovakia as part of his peace plan for Austria-Hungary. Also, so, who do you think would win the Struggle for the Iron Throne in Season 7? Could we see Daenarys' forces storm Kings Landing and finding the Queen brutally murdered by the resurrected Gregor Clegane along with Jaime Lannister under Cersei's orders when the two tried to surrender to Daenarys?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 13:33:53 GMT
I could argue that the Great War was caused by the assassination of Russian Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin by a Hungarian Ultra-nationalist on November 22, 1914 in Stockholm in the failed conference which tried to resolve the Crisis in Austria-Hungary as the Hungarian ultranationalist was angered by the fact Stolypin wanted to create an independent Slovakia as part of his peace plan for Austria-Hungary. Also, so, who do you think would win the Struggle for the Iron Throne in Season 7? Could we see Daenarys' forces storm Kings Landing and finding the Queen brutally murdered by the resurrected Gregor Clegane along with Jaime Lannister under Cersei's orders when the two tried to surrender to Daenarys? I do not know what Season 7 will bring except more sex, violence and death (just like OOC game of Thrones).. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 2, 2016 13:39:43 GMT
Yes, and I could argue that Myrcella is probably the most sympathetic of the three children of Cersei who become "ruler" of the Seven Kingdoms, simply because of the fact that she is virtually a prisoner in the Red Keep with Cersei making all the real decisions and because Joffrey was a lunatic (OOC: Some things never change) and Tommen's way of asserting himself involved courting the fanatical order devoted to the Seven. So, is it accurate or not to say that the spark which ignited the fire was the assassination of Stolypin in Stockholm?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 13:45:18 GMT
Yes, and I could argue that Myrcella is probably the most sympathetic of the three children of Cersei who become "ruler" of the Seven Kingdoms, simply because of the fact that she is virtually a prisoner in the Red Keep with Cersei making all the real decisions and because Joffrey was a lunatic (OOC: Some things never change) and Tommen's way of asserting himself involved courting the fanatical order devoted to the Seven. So, is it accurate or not to say that the spark which ignited the fire was the assassination of Stolypin in Stockholm? (OOC: we are drifting again if you like the real show you can always make a threat in the media hub). |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 2, 2016 13:47:47 GMT
(OOC: Never mind)
IC: Is the idea that the Assassination of Peter Stolypin in Stockholm started the Great War accurate or not?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 13:51:40 GMT
(OOC: Never mind) IC: Is the idea that the Assassination of Peter Stolypin in Stockholm started the Great War accurate or not? It was the spark in a already dangerous time in 1914, so yea i think that his assassination was the last thing needed to start the great war. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 2, 2016 13:59:02 GMT
Yes, the crazy Hungarian who shot Stolypin in the hopes of leading to a Greater Hungary emerging from the ashes didn't count on Russia being livid at their leader's assassination and demanding that Hungary hand over the leadership of the Hungarian ultranationalist party which he belonged to and when Hungary refused, the Russians invaded Hungary on February 1, 1915 and France and Britain declared war on Russia and Germany on February 4.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 14:13:33 GMT
Yes, the crazy Hungarian who shot Stolypin in the hopes of leading to a Greater Hungary emerging from the ashes didn't count on Russia being livid at their leader's assassination and demanding that Hungary hand over the leadership of the Hungarian ultranationalist party which he belonged to and when Hungary refused, the Russians invaded Hungary on February 1, 1915 and France and Britain declared war on Russia and Germany on February 4. Germany did not mind the Russian invasion of Hungary, they where already supporting the Austria side in the civil war and wanted to make all German speaking part of the Austria-Hungarian Empire part of the German empire. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 2, 2016 14:18:57 GMT
Unfortunately, the French and the British had a secret deal with the Hungarian nationalist regime where they would get an Independent Republic of Greater Hungary and Croatia and Czechia would also become independent Republics allied with the Entente as a cordon sanitaire against the Russians and Germans.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 14:22:33 GMT
Unfortunately, the French and the British had a secret deal with the Hungarian nationalist regime where they would get an Independent Republic of Greater Hungary and Croatia and Czechia would also become independent Republics allied with the Entente as a cordon sanitaire against the Russians and Germans. That deal should never have been made but then again the French and the British could not support the Austrians in the civil war so they had no choice left to back the Hungarian nationalist regime. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jul 3, 2016 12:17:02 GMT
So, why do you think did the United States join the Quadruple Alliance? Was it the fact the USA had a large German-speaking population combined? Also, so, what do you think was the greatest naval battle of the Northern Front of WW2 aside from the Battle of the Norwegian Sea? The Second Battle of Jutland? The Raid of Scapa Flow in May 1946 where, aside from the Battleships Nelson and Trafalgar (OOC: A N3 Battleship) and the Battlecruiser Henry VIII (OOC: A G3 Battlecruiser) along with the Heavy Cruiser Dorsetshire and four light cruisers, all of the Holy British Empire's remaining major warships (basically anything bigger than a DD) was sunk by 14 carriers?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 12:20:31 GMT
The Raid of Scapa Flow in May 1946 where, aside from the Battleships Nelson and Trafalgar (OOC: A N3 Battleship) and the Battlecruiser Henry VIII (OOC: A G3 Battlecruiser) along with the Heavy Cruiser Dorsetshire and four light cruisers, all of the Holy British Empire's remaining major warships (basically anything bigger than a DD) was sunk by 14 carriers? The Raid of Scapa Flow by a joint United Commonwealth, Russian and German naval task force is see as the greatest carrier raid ever and also a symbol on how countries can work together to destroy a enemy. |
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