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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2016 17:43:36 GMT
The Soviet Union has then not many option to aid the communist in Italy except invading Yugoslavia in order to gain access to Italy, something i do not see happening. They could go through Albania and land in Apulia if Hoxha hasn't split yet. Albania is surrounded by Yugoslavia, how do you thin the soviets get there, if the send ships the Americans and British only need to close of the Adriatic Sea to prevent the soviet from setting up shop in Albania. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 22, 2016 13:00:45 GMT
They could go through Albania and land in Apulia if Hoxha hasn't split yet. Albania is surrounded by Yugoslavia, how do you thin the soviets get there, if the send ships the Americans and British only need to close of the Adriatic Sea to prevent the soviet from setting up shop in Albania. True. Considering that, intervention will be hard unless they can rope Tito in. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 22, 2016 14:43:02 GMT
Albania is surrounded by Yugoslavia, how do you thin the soviets get there, if the send ships the Americans and British only need to close of the Adriatic Sea to prevent the soviet from setting up shop in Albania. True. Considering that, intervention will be hard unless they can rope Tito in. But the question is even if Italy votes yes to keep monarchy in 1946, how long will it remain that way. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 0:54:57 GMT
The Soviet Union has then not many option to aid the communist in Italy except invading Yugoslavia in order to gain access to Italy, something i do not see happening. They could go through Albania and land in Apulia if Hoxha hasn't split yet. They can also try getting to Italy through Austria, though that might very well be an extremely large challenge for logistical reasons. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 1:19:13 GMT
They could go through Albania and land in Apulia if Hoxha hasn't split yet. They can also try getting to Italy through Austria, though that might very well be an extremely large challenge for logistical reasons. Austria would be a Western salient; if they can take Vienna, Graz, and Klagenfurt, they would have unrestricted access to Italy so long as they can hold off troops entering from Bavaria. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 1:22:05 GMT
They can also try getting to Italy through Austria, though that might very well be an extremely large challenge for logistical reasons. Austria would be a Western salient; if they can take Vienna, Graz, and Klagenfurt, they would have unrestricted access to Italy so long as they can hold off troops entering from Bavaria. In such a scenario, though, the Soviets would still need to cross through the Alps--not exactly an easy task, to put it extremely mildly! |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 1:56:17 GMT
Austria would be a Western salient; if they can take Vienna, Graz, and Klagenfurt, they would have unrestricted access to Italy so long as they can hold off troops entering from Bavaria. In such a scenario, though, the Soviets would still need to cross through the Alps--not exactly an easy task, to put it extremely mildly! I don't deny that; as such, I think the easiest route is through Albania. The Bosporus is denied to them because of Turkey being in NATO. They could, however, use the base in Tartus to harass South Italy. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 6:00:07 GMT
In such a scenario, though, the Soviets would still need to cross through the Alps--not exactly an easy task, to put it extremely mildly! 1. I don't deny that; as such, I think the easiest route is through Albania. The Bosporus is denied to them because of Turkey being in NATO. 2. They could, however, use the base in Tartus to harass South Italy. 1. Couldn't the British Navy and/or the U.S. Navy successfully block any large-scale Soviet troop movements by sea between Albania and Italy, though? 2. Isn't South Italy pretty far away from Tartus, Syria, though? |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 12:55:40 GMT
1. I don't deny that; as such, I think the easiest route is through Albania. The Bosporus is denied to them because of Turkey being in NATO. 2. They could, however, use the base in Tartus to harass South Italy. 1. Couldn't the British Navy and/or the U.S. Navy successfully block any large-scale Soviet troop movements by sea between Albania and Italy, though? 2. Isn't South Italy pretty far away from Tartus, Syria, though? 1. If the Soviets move to neutralize Malta and Cyprus, they have free reign over the eastern Mediterranean. 2. It's less of a slog than Austria. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 13:29:46 GMT
1. If the Soviets move to neutralize Malta and Cyprus, they have free reign over the eastern Mediterranean. That would mean war with the British and Americans if the Soviets do that. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 16:03:10 GMT
1. If the Soviets move to neutralize Malta and Cyprus, they have free reign over the eastern Mediterranean. That would mean war with the British and Americans if the Soviets do that. I thought that an all out war was a given. If the West does not intervene, they could pass through the Mediterranean unimpeded. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 16:11:26 GMT
That would mean war with the British and Americans if the Soviets do that. I thought that an all out war was a given. If the West does not intervene, they could pass through the Mediterranean unimpeded. The big question is the monarchy even with a Yes vote so unpopular that a civil war will break out. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 16:15:51 GMT
I thought that an all out war was a given. If the West does not intervene, they could pass through the Mediterranean unimpeded. The big question is the monarchy even with a Yes vote so unpopular that a civil war will break out. If you make sufficiently angry Communists, then yes, it might just be. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 16:35:50 GMT
The big question is the monarchy even with a Yes vote so unpopular that a civil war will break out. If you make sufficiently angry Communists, then yes, it might just be. But the referendum was legal, will the communist go against the wishes of the Italian people who voted Yes. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 23, 2016 16:47:59 GMT
If you make sufficiently angry Communists, then yes, it might just be. But the referendum was legal, will the communist go against the wishes of the Italian people who voted Yes. Depending on the nature of the Italian communists at the time if they think they can get away with it definitely. I know that later the Italian communists were largely cosntituntional in nature but not sure at this point. Also if Stalin was backing such an idea I suspect he could get at least a part of the party to take violent action then try and drag in the rest of the party and other socialists because of the fear of persecution/suppression of such groups. |
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