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Post by lordroel on Jan 19, 2016 18:24:10 GMT
In 1946 in Italy a constitutional referendum with the question of of Italy becoming a republic or keeping the monarchy, what if the vote would be turn around so instead of 54.3 % voting for making Italy a republic the vote would be 54.3 % for keeping the monarchy, how does a Kingdom of Italy after 1946 look like and what would the efechts have on the world stage.
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Post by futurist on Jun 19, 2016 2:15:15 GMT
In 1946 in Italy a constitutional referendum with the question of of Italy becoming a republic or keeping the monarchy, what if the vote would be turn around so instead of 54.3 % voting for making Italy a republic the vote would be 54.3 % for keeping the monarchy, how does a Kingdom of Italy after 1946 look like and what would the efechts have on the world stage. Perhaps Italy would have somewhat more stable coalitions, but that's probably about it. After all, I doubt that Italy's monarch could have avoided becoming a British-style constitutional monarch for very long. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 19, 2016 4:42:46 GMT
There is the possibility of radicalizing the Communists in Italy even more, given their natural distaste of monarchy.
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Post by stevep on Jun 19, 2016 11:55:29 GMT
There is the possibility of radicalizing the Communists in Italy even more, given their natural distaste of monarchy. True, especially since the monarchy was tainted by its links with Mussolini. You might see Italy even more divided than OTL politically and socially. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 11:57:17 GMT
There is the possibility of radicalizing the Communists in Italy even more, given their natural distaste of monarchy. True, especially since the monarchy was tainted by its links with Mussolini. You might see Italy even more divided than OTL politically and socially. In Japan it manged to work out, but then again it might be a different story in Italy. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 19, 2016 18:11:05 GMT
True, especially since the monarchy was tainted by its links with Mussolini. You might see Italy even more divided than OTL politically and socially. In Japan it manged to work out, but then again it might be a different story in Italy. Italy is much closer to the Eastern Bloc. It won't go Communist as say Poland did, but it might go leftist to the point that it might withdraw from NATO, if Communists form a government. If not, I can see the monarchy becoming rather unpleasant (like maybe Pinochet). |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 18:27:31 GMT
In Japan it manged to work out, but then again it might be a different story in Italy. Italy is much closer to the Eastern Bloc. It won't go Communist as say Poland did, but it might go leftist to the point that it might withdraw from NATO, if Communists form a government. If not, I can see the monarchy becoming rather unpleasant (like maybe Pinochet). Could we end up with a civil war some years later with the Italian Communist blaming the west of rigging the vote in favor of a monarchy starting a uprising which result in a Italian Civil War which later sees the country split in a Democratic Monarchy ore republic controlled South Italy and a Italian Communist republic controlled North Italy or is that a little bit to much. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 19, 2016 19:16:13 GMT
Italy is much closer to the Eastern Bloc. It won't go Communist as say Poland did, but it might go leftist to the point that it might withdraw from NATO, if Communists form a government. If not, I can see the monarchy becoming rather unpleasant (like maybe Pinochet). Could we end up with a civil war some years later with the Italian Communist blaming the west of rigging the vote in favor of a monarchy starting a uprising which result in a Italian Civil War which later sees the country split in a Democratic Monarchy ore republic controlled South Italy and a Italian Communist republic controlled North Italy or is that a little bit to much. It could go that far, but if it does expect American, British, and French intervention almost immediately. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 20, 2016 2:05:20 GMT
There is the possibility of radicalizing the Communists in Italy even more, given their natural distaste of monarchy. True, especially since the monarchy was tainted by its links with Mussolini. You might see Italy even more divided than OTL politically and socially. Wasn't Italian King Umberto II pretty clean, though?  |
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Post by futurist on Jun 20, 2016 2:06:29 GMT
Could we end up with a civil war some years later with the Italian Communist blaming the west of rigging the vote in favor of a monarchy starting a uprising which result in a Italian Civil War which later sees the country split in a Democratic Monarchy ore republic controlled South Italy and a Italian Communist republic controlled North Italy or is that a little bit to much. It could go that far, but if it does expect American, British, and French intervention almost immediately. Completely agreed. Indeed, the West certainly isn't going to agree to the loss of some or all of Italy to the Communists without an extremely large fight. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 21, 2016 12:53:38 GMT
It could go that far, but if it does expect American, British, and French intervention almost immediately. Completely agreed. Indeed, the West certainly isn't going to agree to the loss of some or all of Italy to the Communists without an extremely large fight. It will be ugly. Like Italian Campaign of WWII ugly. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2016 14:13:40 GMT
Completely agreed. Indeed, the West certainly isn't going to agree to the loss of some or all of Italy to the Communists without an extremely large fight. It will be ugly. Like Italian Campaign of WWII ugly. I wonder if Tito (Yugoslavia) will allow the Soviet Union access true his country so that the Soviet Union can liberate the Italian people from oppression. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 21, 2016 16:37:05 GMT
It will be ugly. Like Italian Campaign of WWII ugly. I wonder if Tito (Yugoslavia) will allow the Soviet Union access true his country so that the Soviet Union can liberate the Italian people from oppression. Maybe. I'm not sure, honestly. Tito was willing to talk with the West on a less hostile basis than the Soviet Union; if he's obstinate, he might actually take the West's side, especially if the Soviet Union invades. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2016 17:00:49 GMT
I wonder if Tito (Yugoslavia) will allow the Soviet Union access true his country so that the Soviet Union can liberate the Italian people from oppression. Maybe. I'm not sure, honestly. Tito was willing to talk with the West on a less hostile basis than the Soviet Union; if he's obstinate, he might actually take the West's side, especially if the Soviet Union invades. The Soviet Union has then not many option to aid the communist in Italy except invading Yugoslavia in order to gain access to Italy, something i do not see happening. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 21, 2016 17:12:15 GMT
Maybe. I'm not sure, honestly. Tito was willing to talk with the West on a less hostile basis than the Soviet Union; if he's obstinate, he might actually take the West's side, especially if the Soviet Union invades. The Soviet Union has then not many option to aid the communist in Italy except invading Yugoslavia in order to gain access to Italy, something i do not see happening. They could go through Albania and land in Apulia if Hoxha hasn't split yet. |
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