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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 2, 2023 12:48:10 GMT
US from 2020 ISOT to 395 AD.
Does it help Rome?
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Post by stevep on Mar 2, 2023 15:26:25 GMT
US from 2020 ISOT to 395 AD. Does it help Rome?
Some people would want to and some might want to help other groups escape imperial rule for a wide range of reasons on both sides. In terms of the government it might offer aid but almost certainly with strings attached. For instance at this point the empire is very much a military/religious dictatorship and there are issues like the widespread use of slaves which are probably currently essential to the Roman economy. A lot will depend on the details and the interaction between assorted groups, inside the US, the empire and elsewhere.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 3, 2023 10:06:47 GMT
The Pirate Republic from 1715 to 1 AD.
Were there even females on the island? If yes, fine. If no, how czn the pirates there get enough females to create a proper state?
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 4, 2023 17:21:52 GMT
US from 2020 ISOT to 395 AD. Does it help Rome? Quick inquiry? Rome was split by that idiot, Theodosius I, into two parts, with Arcadius in Constantinople and Honorius in Rome. The 2020 US is probably scrambling to figure out where it is ISOTTED right now and it is trying to keep its energy grid and agriculture up to feed and service 325 million Americans: two major problems not too dissimilar to what Arcadius confronts in the east, while chaos reigns in Rome. Supply chains are cut in two, the population is in a MASSIVE state of political unrest, the barbarians are rampagimg in the east and I suspect that is exactly what you suggested by picking Rome 395AD and America 2020. What will the Americans do? Fix the homeland first. Make sure that the country is politically stabilized internally. THEN deal with Europe: not just Rome and Constantinople. |
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Post by lordroel on Mar 5, 2023 10:57:17 GMT
As this this Twitter post says.
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 5, 2023 17:21:17 GMT
As this this Twitter post says. Okay… does he train them in cannon use and maintenance, or bring along all the infrastructure and supply chains to make more? In fact, does Brown even speak enough Latin to get around? I know routine exposure to Classical Latin in academic and church settings was more widespread in Brown’s time than in ours (hence me assuming he recollects some). However, that’s not the same as knowing Vulgar Latin, which was the common tongue of everyday Romans, per the divide between the Latin that Caesar and Pompey spoke… and the Latin the Average Iosephus on the street spoke. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 5, 2023 17:29:15 GMT
At that time the difference between Vulgar Latin and classical Latin was minuscule.
Nonetheless, lordroel probably means what impact the cannons and muskets have on the battlefield so linguistics is a non issue.
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 5, 2023 18:43:53 GMT
Okay… does he train them in cannon use and maintenance, or bring along all the infrastructure and supply chains to make more? In fact, does Brown even speak enough Latin to get around? I know routine exposure to Classical Latin in academic and church settings was more widespread in Brown’s time than in ours (hence me assuming he recollects some). However, that’s not the same as knowing Vulgar Latin, which was the common tongue of everyday Romans, per the divide between the Latin that Caesar and Pompey spoke… and the Latin the Average Iosephus on the street spoke. No to most of this. (^^^) |
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 5, 2023 19:06:33 GMT
Okay… does he train them in cannon use and maintenance, or bring along all the infrastructure and supply chains to make more? In fact, does Brown even speak enough Latin to get around? I know routine exposure to Classical Latin in academic and church settings was more widespread in Brown’s time than in ours (hence me assuming he recollects some). However, that’s not the same as knowing Vulgar Latin, which was the common tongue of everyday Romans, per the divide between the Latin that Caesar and Pompey spoke… and the Latin the Average Iosephus on the street spoke. No to most of this. (^^^) Let me explicate> To make cannon and or cannon balls, you do not need Newtonian physics, but you need medieval German cannon making practical metal barrel casting knowledge for either cannon barrels or church bells. If you try to make AMERICAN monoblock cannon barrels with lathed rifling and Paixhans (French, they were using French shell technology. M.), you need Dahlgren and Parrott. That does mean Newtonian physics and STEELS, as in industrial foundries, sand molds, and core-casting with water chilling and vertical rifling or drill out lathes. The Romans do not have the words for some of these zany concepts: case hardening => apud caecitatem (means "with blindness".) There is literally no word phrase or idea concept in Latin for the process of carburization the inside of a gun barrel (invented by Parrott) to make an inner liner in the monoblock process more pressure and wear resistant. . =================================================== John Brown was an ecclessiatical zealot, with the "right morals" as regards abolition and Unreconstructed Confederates, who would have trouble remembering which way to throw a light switch to turn off a candle; or how to operate a Civil War percussion cap musket^1, much less teach a Roman arbalast crew how to use a 12 pounder Napoleon or a 3 inch Parrott with things like a gunner's quadrant and "predict lead". *1 The soldier, who took him, charged John Brown when he realized the zealot had not put a percussion cap on his Springfield vent nipple. No cap, no Bang, and so it was safe to charge the fool and not get shot. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 6, 2023 13:21:50 GMT
Vietnam of 1968 (North and South) to 1600 AD.
US and other troops included.
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 6, 2023 13:27:43 GMT
Vietnam of 1968 (North and South) to 1600 AD. US and other troops included. Does that include 7th Fleet, because with it, the Americans, with the technical people aboard, can retreat and rebuild a steampunk civilization (probably head for Australia for that) and then about 100 years later, it is "Look out for the Australians!" Everybody else falls into chaos as the oil runs out. See MAP:   |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 6, 2023 13:29:05 GMT
Nope, no fleet.
Let them stay in 'Nam.
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 6, 2023 13:36:19 GMT
Nope, no fleet. Let them stay in 'Nam. Then it is an interesting "blip". The bullets and oil runs out and it is an interesting replay of 14th century Poland where the society technologically and socially retrogrades a couple of centuries. I presume that MACV will disintegrate and the Vietnamese will revert to a slightly more advanced version of 16th century south China. The 7th Fleet makes things a lot more "interesting". |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Mar 6, 2023 13:48:33 GMT
I don't think the technological regress will be so severe.
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Post by miletus12 on Mar 6, 2023 14:04:51 GMT
I don't think the technological regress will be so severe. The Chinese could not make advanced carbon steels. See MAP.   As an absolute minimum, the Vietnamese need copper, tin, iron, coal, and it would be helpful if they had oil and ZINC and bauxite. They do not have any of that. China, to the north, will crush them. And then the Europeans will come and crush China and Vietnam. |
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