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Post by 575 on Feb 25, 2023 18:11:52 GMT
US of 1946 ISOT to 1932. How to stop the Nazis and Japanese militarists? Nuke' 'em! |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 25, 2023 18:14:31 GMT
US of 1946 ISOT to 1932. How to stop the Nazis and Japanese militarists? Nuke' 'em! Riiight... Except the Nazis are not even in power in January 1932 so decisively subtler means are required. Is the CIA strong enough to assassinate Hitler? |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 25, 2023 18:15:11 GMT
US of 1946 ISOT to 1932. How to stop the Nazis and Japanese militarists? Nuke' 'em! In 1932 the Nazi where not yet in power. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 25, 2023 18:34:26 GMT
In 1932 the Nazi where not yet in power. Can the CIA kill Hitler? |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 25, 2023 18:38:29 GMT
In 1932 the Nazi where not yet in power. Can the CIA kill Hitler? You mean get him to fall out of a window ore get hit by a car when crossing the street, the CIA can do it, but they need to make sure nobody take Hitler place in the NSDAP, the best solution for modern US is to help the Weimar Republic and democracy in Germany, this will weaken the NSDAP a lot. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 25, 2023 18:54:26 GMT
Riiight... Except the Nazis are not even in power in January 1932 so decisively subtler means are required. Is the CIA strong enough to assassinate Hitler? Well was just the auto-response button pushed..
Something like trade - well its 1932 the World is in global recession so here comes the Hercules of WWII. Just tell the German and Japanese whats a no-no - sit back and wait - nuke' 'em!
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Post by lordroel on Feb 25, 2023 18:55:47 GMT
Riiight... Except the Nazis are not even in power in January 1932 so decisively subtler means are required. Is the CIA strong enough to assassinate Hitler? Well was just the auto-response button pushed.. Something like trade - well its 1932 the World is in global recession so here comes the Hercules of WWII. Just tell the German and Japanese whats a no-no - sit back and wait - nuke' 'em!
You do not nuke countries who have not done anything wrong yet, you help them change and prevent them for becoming what they became OTL. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 25, 2023 19:00:38 GMT
Well was just the auto-response button pushed.. Something like trade - well its 1932 the World is in global recession so here comes the Hercules of WWII. Just tell the German and Japanese whats a no-no - sit back and wait - nuke' 'em!
You do not nuke countries who have not done anything wrong yet, you help them change and prevent them for becoming what they became OTL. Oh but US of 1946 haven't done anything of the sort - but do you really believe the US of 1946 having just defeated Nazi-Germany and Imperial Japan to just sit down and have a nice chat over coffee. The Japanese are having a rampage in Machuria.. True the Germans haven't done utter stupidity YET but dare..
I was asked to go back into the mind of 1946 USA not 2023.  |
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 25, 2023 19:55:01 GMT
India from 1950 ISOT to 1 AD. No oil and no fertilizer. 100 million starve to death within 3 years. No trains. |
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 25, 2023 20:00:25 GMT
US of 1946 ISOT to 1932. How to stop the Nazis and Japanese militarists? Nuke' 'em! 1. The US has 4 working atomic bombs. 2. The British empire is in the way. 3. There is a giant navy and air force out there magically appearing everywhere globally all of a sudden. If the Germans are not freaking out (and the FRENCH and the BRITISH.), the Japanese will be. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 26, 2023 7:08:19 GMT
Portugal including colonies from 1600 to 50 AD.
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Post by stevep on Feb 26, 2023 11:56:56 GMT
Riiight... Except the Nazis are not even in power in January 1932 so decisively subtler means are required. Is the CIA strong enough to assassinate Hitler? Well was just the auto-response button pushed..
Something like trade - well its 1932 the World is in global recession so here comes the Hercules of WWII. Just tell the German and Japanese whats a no-no - sit back and wait - nuke' 'em!
Might be an option. In 46 the US is in a much better position than 32 and also not hyper-protectionist. [Albeit sorting out ownership rights of firms, patents etc between the two world's would be a pig].
Plus I think it was max who posted something about if a SDP politician willing to take on the Nazis had gotten some more support things might have been different. Here he could have an overseas colossus in his corner. [Albeit that would further anger the extreme nationalists].
Of course one issue with 46 US is that having fought a long and bloody war against both dictatorships public feeling could well mitigate any moderation, especially in concerns of Japan - as 575, made reference to. Their more likely to be willing to support a non-Nazi Germany but likely to want at least the leading Nazis and other war criminals to be arrested - albeit you then get the legal issue of that's for crimes that haven't been committed yet and hopefully won't be.
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Post by stevep on Feb 26, 2023 11:59:32 GMT
1. The US has 4 working atomic bombs. 2. The British empire is in the way. 3. There is a giant navy and air force out there magically appearing everywhere globally all of a sudden. If the Germans are not freaking out (and the FRENCH and the BRITISH.), the Japanese will be.
2) is totally irrelevant to the issue. Britain in 32 - provided that the US didn't throw its weight around too much against all and sundry - would be quite happy with the US sorting out imperial Japan. Ditto with stopping the Nazis coming to power once they hear details of how that ended up.
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 26, 2023 13:32:28 GMT
1. The US has 4 working atomic bombs. 2. The British empire is in the way. 3. There is a giant navy and air force out there magically appearing everywhere globally all of a sudden. If the Germans are not freaking out (and the FRENCH and the BRITISH.), the Japanese will be.
2) is totally irrelevant to the issue. Britain in 32 - provided that the US didn't throw its weight around too much against all and sundry - would be quite happy with the US sorting out imperial Japan. Ditto with stopping the Nazis coming to power once they hear details of how that ended up.
1. The revelations about the spying of the Washington Naval Treaty had hit the newspapers. That caused friction. 2. The empire trade scheme was causing problems with Washington. 3. The Royal Navy was the basis of USN 1931-1932 planning for the current fleet problem just before the ISOT. The 1946 USN remembered THAT, as well as the problems and trouble it had with the RN in both the WWII Battle of the Atlantic and in the Pacific. Admiral King was not the only one who hated the British. 4. Truman was an anti-imperialist, more so than Roosevelt. He was POTUS, and he was not a happy 1946 camper; with the mess on his hands. The thing is that you can see a nation's collectve thoughts in its cultural artifacts. American movies in the 1950s and early 1960s, showed both the lies and the truth about the world the American people saw as they emerged from WWII. The current romantization and the lies about WWII in the popular culture, as a "good war" would come later after Vietnam. What the 1946 Americans actually saw was the second bloodiest war in their history, a massive economic catastrophe, and a half-burned planet that THEY would have to foot the bill to rescue. They also saw plenty of blame to go around for the mess that had been made. An ISOT should always consider the psychological and sociological component of the people ISOTTED. Coca Cola Imperialism was a real thing and it would be a component in British and American relations. So yes, the British Empire was in 1946 America's way. CYNICAL Miletus. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 27, 2023 9:45:24 GMT
2) is totally irrelevant to the issue. Britain in 32 - provided that the US didn't throw its weight around too much against all and sundry - would be quite happy with the US sorting out imperial Japan. Ditto with stopping the Nazis coming to power once they hear details of how that ended up.
1. The revelations about the spying of the Washington Naval Treaty had hit the newspapers. That caused friction. 2. The empire trade scheme was causing problems with Washington. 3. The Royal Navy was the basis of USN 1931-1932 planning for the current fleet problem just before the ISOT. The 1946 USN remembered THAT, as well as the problems and trouble it had with the RN in both the WWII Battle of the Atlantic and in the Pacific. Admiral King was not the only one who hated the British. 4. Truman was an anti-imperialist, more so than Roosevelt. He was POTUS, and he was not a happy 1946 camper; with the mess on his hands. The thing is that you can see a nation's collectve thoughts in its cultural artifacts. American movies in the 1950s and early 1960s, showed both the lies and the truth about the world the American people saw as they emerged from WWII. The current romantization and the lies about WWII in the popular culture, as a "good war" would come later after Vietnam. What the 1946 Americans actually saw was the second bloodiest war in their history, a massive economic catastrophe, and a half-burned planet that THEY would have to foot the bill to rescue. They also saw plenty of blame to go around for the mess that had been made. An ISOT should always consider the psychological and sociological component of the people ISOTTED. Coca Cola Imperialism was a real thing and it would be a component in British and American relations. So yes, the British Empire was in 1946 America's way. CYNICAL Miletus.
In terms that it existed as an independent economic unit outside US control yes. That there are Americans who share both a myopic zero sum view and extreme hostility towards any other power existing independent of the US is a serious problem for the world I do agree. Too much like Imperial Germany.
However I think the main driver for your seeking to drag in unnecessary hostility towards Britain in the ISOTed US is your own bias. Those US 46 people in large numbers know the British as valiant allies who carried far more than their share of the war and will have no reason to press hostilities against them.
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