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Post by lordroel on Feb 18, 2023 15:10:16 GMT
India from 1950 ISOT to 1 AD. India probably has as many people as the rest of the world combined and is likely to expand its borders considerably given the technological lead and the needs of the country. The Indus valley and OTL Bangladesh are definitely going to be 'regained'. What they do after that and how things develop both in India and elsewhere I don't know. A lot of paths for good or ill.
India had in 1950 a population of 361 million, the rest of the world in 1 AD had a population of 300 million, that is according to Google search.
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Post by 575 on Feb 18, 2023 16:02:00 GMT
India from 1950 ISOT to 1 AD.
India probably has as many people as the rest of the world combined and is likely to expand its borders considerably given the technological lead and the needs of the country. The Indus valley and OTL Bangladesh are definitely going to be 'regained'.
What they do after that and how things develop both in India and elsewhere I don't know. A lot of paths for good or ill. One point that occurred to me is that India would have all the world's existing Muslims - as that faith hasn't emerged yet and similarly for its small Christian population, some of whom at least would want to seek out their founder, currently a child/babe in Palestine.
Might this "happy state of affairs" encourage others to realize that it is possible to live door to door with peoples of a different confession without killing them all the time? That would be something of an ISOT!
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 18, 2023 16:16:44 GMT
India from 1950 ISOT to 1 AD.
India probably has as many people as the rest of the world combined and is likely to expand its borders considerably given the technological lead and the needs of the country. The Indus valley and OTL Bangladesh are definitely going to be 'regained'.
What they do after that and how things develop both in India and elsewhere I don't know. A lot of paths for good or ill. One point that occurred to me is that India would have all the world's existing Muslims - as that faith hasn't emerged yet and similarly for its small Christian population, some of whom at least would want to seek out their founder, currently a child/babe in Palestine.
The Licence Raj is still in place in 1950. That will hamper economic growth of India considerably.
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Post by stevep on Feb 19, 2023 12:02:54 GMT
India probably has as many people as the rest of the world combined and is likely to expand its borders considerably given the technological lead and the needs of the country. The Indus valley and OTL Bangladesh are definitely going to be 'regained'.
What they do after that and how things develop both in India and elsewhere I don't know. A lot of paths for good or ill. One point that occurred to me is that India would have all the world's existing Muslims - as that faith hasn't emerged yet and similarly for its small Christian population, some of whom at least would want to seek out their founder, currently a child/babe in Palestine.
Might this "happy state of affairs" encourage others to realize that it is possible to live door to door with peoples of a different confession without killing them all the time? That would be something of an ISOT!
Unfortunately this is only a couple of years after the horrors of the partition so I'm not sure how stable the situation would be. At worse you could see a swing to the sort of ideas of the current India government under Modi which is at least verging on Hindu fundamentalism without the restraint of other OTL powers or the potential hostility of Pakistan especially. At best, with the external 'Muslim threat' removed they might be more moderate and for all its other faults the early Congress government was relatively moderate in foreign affairs.
I don't think religion was anything like as divisive in many areas in 1AD as in the modern age although there were definitely religious conflicts.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 19, 2023 17:01:10 GMT
steve, what pace of tech development do you predict for the ISOTed India? India of 1950 surely has a tremendous potential yet it has great hurdles to overcome. Most of the population is illiterate and cannot uet build a modern economy.
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Post by stevep on Feb 20, 2023 16:49:03 GMT
steve, what pace of tech development do you predict for the ISOTed India? India of 1950 surely has a tremendous potential yet it has great hurdles to overcome. Most of the population is illiterate and cannot uet build a modern economy.
Difficult to tell as a lot depends on their reaction to the new circumstances. I think they were working toward self-sufficiency in many ways but even so their going to lose their trade links and that will hurt. Most dangerously possibly this is before the Green revolution so I suspect India is a big importer of food. Coupled with the loss of fertilizer imports and also probably a fair number of sources of spares and the like this could result in a fairly nasty -by modern standards famine and possibly resulting disorder. This could be helped or worsened by the fact that climatic conditions are likely to be somewhat different.
Similarly while India is likely to quickly occupy the Indus valley and Bangladesh, which would supply additional lands for food production those areas will be pretty much undeveloped so would need a lot of infrastructure being developed as well as people moving in and planting crops.
A lot would probably depend on how India reacts to this and other related crisis. Is the result disorder and internal conflict, which could make things considerably worse or a determined and successful mobilization of resources to meet the new challenge.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 20, 2023 17:19:51 GMT
Haiti from 1815 to 1 AD.
How long until they build ships capable of reaching Europe?
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Post by stevep on Feb 20, 2023 22:43:51 GMT
Haiti from 1815 to 1 AD. How long until they build ships capable of reaching Europe?
They probably wouldn't bother too much about Europe or if they did it would be trade via Roman Egypt possibly. Steam powered steel ships turning up would cause a bit stir. Mind you that there was trade between Rome and India traders in the Indian Ocean would report massive changes before any Indian ships would probably bother. There would be issues with 1950 ships of any size actually using down-time facilities anyway and of course vice versa to a degree.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 21, 2023 10:44:03 GMT
DR Congo from 2020 to 1 AD.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 22, 2023 8:32:28 GMT
Afghanistan from August 2001 ISOT to 1 AD. stevep
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Post by lordroel on Feb 22, 2023 9:49:01 GMT
Afghanistan from August 2001 ISOT to 1 AD. stevep Do not tag members in this thread in order to get a respons.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 24, 2023 13:55:23 GMT
Serbia from 2020 to 1400 AD.
Does it help the fellow Orthodox Byzantium?
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Post by stevep on Feb 25, 2023 11:17:45 GMT
Serbia from 2020 to 1400 AD. Does it help the fellow Orthodox Byzantium?
Well they will have Serbian rather than Ottoman overlords but depending on Serbian aims it could also mean that some of Anatolia could end up in Orthodox hands.
If exactly in 1400 then it could cause the Ottomans serious problems as they could be driven from their European holdings just before Tamerlane butchers his way through their position in Anatolia. Coupled with a possible Serbian/Greece follow up after Tamerlane leaves, or possibly even crushing him to protect local Christians.
Your also likely to see efforts to help down-time Serbs in places like Kosovo and against the Hungarians and Croats to secure lands to the north and reduce the Catholic 'threat'. Which in turn might prompt some sort of crusade from the west but that's unlikely to be very successful.
How much of a technological edge Serbia can maintain after initial equipment wears out or spares and munitions stockpiles go would be a big question.
Assuming they can get access to the Black Sea they might also seek to aid the Russian states against the remnants of the Golden Horde. All depends on what the Serbs decide, how unified they are in their actions and how well they can use their technology and knowledge advantage.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 25, 2023 12:52:43 GMT
The following equipment is ISOTed to USSR in 1930: 1. 10 MiG-17s 2. 10 T-55s 3. 10 ZSU 23-4s 4. an example of w 1960s AEW radar 5. a 1960s Soviet computer
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Feb 25, 2023 17:55:27 GMT
US of 1946 ISOT to 1932.
How to stop the Nazis and Japanese militarists?
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