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Post by stevep on Dec 10, 2022 14:15:25 GMT
Ugh. Its on its way to becoming one of the most barbaric states in world history and now its got a generation's lead on everybody else militarily. IU see a hell of a lot of bloodshed and barbarism, with an even worse than OTL death toll in east Asia.
The one saving grace is that with this horror occurring - albeit it will reinforce the racial stupidity of a lot in the west at the time not least one Wilhelm II - is likely to avert WWI or delay it significantly as every major powers have economic and political interests in China and many in parts of the western Pacific which are now at threat.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 10, 2022 14:39:41 GMT
Saddam's Iraq from 2003 to 3000 BC
Netherlands from 2019 to 1619
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Post by stevep on Dec 11, 2022 12:54:35 GMT
Saddam's Iraq from 2003 to 3000 BC Netherlands from 2019 to 1619
a) Again ugh with massive emphasis. Not going to be pleasant for anyone within his reach. Although with the loss of markets, especially for oil and of sources for a lot of his weaponry and other modern equipment his empire could end up collapsing but its going to be very bloody.
b) Well modern Netherlands is powerful in ways the 1619 world can barely understand but would suffer many economic issues from being cut off from the rest of the 2019 world. Also Their a lot more moderate as well as being liberal in so many ways that will send both Catholics and assorted Protestant groups into massive outrage. Their likely to seek to prevent the starting 30YW but could end up finding themselves the target of just about everybody for their heretical views, both openly religious and social.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 11, 2022 13:32:58 GMT
Norway from 2019 to 3000 BC
Egypt from 1 AD to 3000 BC
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Post by shadow007 on Dec 12, 2022 1:06:56 GMT
Norway from 2019 to 3000 BC Egypt from 1 AD to 3000 BC Roman Egypt brings a lot of technological and social progress to the Bronze Age. Good quality Iron tools and improvements to military organization make wars between powerful nations costly and vastly increase the population. There is a good chance modern societies pop up during 1000 BCE Norway is the Egypt scenario on crack. They easily dominate the Bronze Age World and impose their Progressive, Humanist, Secular values. Slavery banned, Women get equal rights and Atheism becomes the majority very quickly. 8 Billion people by 2700 BCE, with half of these Bronze Age Humans living in space!!! |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 18, 2022 12:13:19 GMT
Nazi Germany and US from 1933 to 1913.
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Post by 575 on Dec 18, 2022 13:59:54 GMT
Nazi Germany and US from 1933 to 1913. Nazi Germany have only grabbed power in Germany - the military might is still years into the future. Unemployment is still rife. An Austrian-Hungarian Empire to the south will be some surprise as will be Alsace-Lorraine as Imperial German lands as well as the other formerly "bleeding borders" returned to Germany! This is actually pulling the carpet under the Nazis; all the rethoric regarding this issue is moot now so its the Jews remaining and Lebensraum in the East. Also there is no France around that humiliated Imperial Germany. I have no idea what the Nazis are going to do except begin rearming in an environment that won't oppose this.  Of course the Germans have all the experience come another 1914 so will be able to choose the field.
US is another kettle of fish. It too is in recession and know the history since 1913 and don't want to bankroll the Entente should another war erupt in Europe.
The best to do to counter the Germans is to distribute knowledge from the US about the Great War and the resultant economic recession and rise of Sovietunion.
I don't have a clue as to what Hitler will do but there is no France ridded with the spectre of Trench Warfare or Popular Front Government. Hitler may, just may, decide to not engage France also in the light of the previous experience that the German Generals and Ludendorff well remember so even if Hitler want to do it this isn't the time. Build up is still necessary. There is no German tanks, no testing ground in Sovietunion, no Spanish Civil War Luftwaffe experience etc. It will be all Great War once again till the Germans have worked out what to do. There is no German Aircraft works in Scandinavia, Italy, Netherlands etc. to draw upon. Imperial Russia may be weak but will benefit from every year its saved from war to build up its industry.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 18, 2022 15:29:24 GMT
Germany from 2020 to 395 AD.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 19, 2022 14:21:12 GMT
Might've suggested this one elsewhere, but in case I haven't: ‘1917 US Gets Fat Man And Little Boy’.
They’re also provided the delivery systems and technical paraphernalia to maintain and use of them. You know, just so they’re not sitting around collecting dust as America's brightest minds scratch their heads raw, wondering what the heck to do with them.
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Post by stevep on Dec 20, 2022 15:21:06 GMT
Might've suggested this one elsewhere, but in case I haven't: ‘1917 US Gets Fat Man And Little Boy’. They’re also provided the delivery systems and technical paraphernalia to maintain and use of them. You know, just so they’re not sitting around collecting dust as America's brightest minds scratch their heads raw, wondering what the heck to do with them.
That could end the war a lot earlier if they were used but be very bad for Berlin I suspect. It would also scare most of the rest of the world.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 20, 2022 16:27:31 GMT
Germany from 1913 to 50 AD.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 20, 2022 21:16:26 GMT
Might've suggested this one elsewhere, but in case I haven't: ‘1917 US Gets Fat Man And Little Boy’. They’re also provided the delivery systems and technical paraphernalia to maintain and use of them. You know, just so they’re not sitting around collecting dust as America's brightest minds scratch their heads raw, wondering what the heck to do with them.
That could end the war a lot earlier if they were used but be very bad for Berlin I suspect. It would also scare most of the rest of the world.
Was thinking both of those, yeah — not to mention all the Allied lives saved if both bombs take out Berlin and/or some other prominent German city. I’d also suspect post-war Germany will be dissuaded from gunning for Round Two, since they’d probably be terrified of getting nuked again. In which case, Hitler and his cronies better kiss their fantasies of a Greater Germanic Reich goodbye — and even then, their rise to power might be butterflied completely as the German people settle for survival in the face of the American nuclear threat, rather than revenge. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 22, 2022 16:00:14 GMT
WI: paper ISOT to Sumer 3000 BC.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 23, 2022 11:15:49 GMT
WI: US from 2019 to 1946.
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Post by stevep on Dec 23, 2022 11:49:40 GMT
WI: paper ISOT to Sumer 3000 BC.
Might make less difference than you think. Getting the knowledge of making paper - which is what I assume you mean - doesn't necessarily make it a certain replacement for either clay or even papyrus. Clay is what their used to and could be more practical for their form of writing plus would be more durable and also before it sets hard its quite possible to rub out and correct errors.
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