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Post by stevep on Dec 23, 2022 11:52:48 GMT
WI: US from 2019 to 1946.
Well the down side is that Trump is still in charge so you could see anything from him nuking the USSR to retreating back into isolationism - or even both. Plus the isolation from so many trade partners would cause a hell of a lot of chaos in the US as he was well known for his [lack of] work ethics so it could be a rough time for the US as well as for the rest of the down-time world.
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Post by 575 on Dec 23, 2022 12:05:04 GMT
WI: paper ISOT to Sumer 3000 BC.
Might make less difference than you think. Getting the knowledge of making paper - which is what I assume you mean - doesn't necessarily make it a certain replacement for either clay or even papyrus. Clay is what their used to and could be more practical for their form of writing plus would be more durable and also before it sets hard its quite possible to rub out and correct errors.
They did write pressing a stylus into the claytablet (WOW -tablet) thus wouldn't necessarily know ink in whatever form though they probably would be able to make paint of sorts - humanity have done so for eons.. Papyrus was widely distributed by the Egyptians and later others - Romans and such - and cheap so paper isn't that much of a revolution. The diffenrence of paper and papyrus I've seen stated being that papyrus was made in long sheets like a paperroll thus giving rise to scrolls where paper was made in rectangles of sorts then ending up as books; who say's You can't cut up papyrusscrolls to make books? That could have been the real gamechanger if that's what you look for!
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 23, 2022 12:19:24 GMT
US South without whites ISOT from 1860 to 3000 BC.
no whites, just blacks and mulattoes. How well do they fare?
Very few slaves can read or write but they havd the agricultural knowledge.
In the short term the south fractures into multiple independent states and regresses technologically to around the Middle Ages, what course of development do you see long term?
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Dec 26, 2022 11:21:45 GMT
WI: heavy plow and horse collar ISOT to Germania in 200 BC.
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 31, 2022 18:31:59 GMT
‘Modern Classicists Become Alexander The Great’s Tutors’.
That is, the likes of Adrian Goldsworthy, Mary Beard, Victor Davis Hanson, and other contemporary experts on Antiquity are sent back in time to tutor a teenaged Alexander. Additionally, ASB also hand-waves any linguistic barriers or “rash” responses by Philip II, Olympias, or their general retinue, as well as allotting the uptimer tutors some quarters bedecked with twenty-first century luxuries — television, running water, modern sanitation, their favorite foods, and their book collections neatly stacked on their bookshelves, among other accommodations.
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Post by 575 on Dec 31, 2022 19:06:59 GMT
‘Modern Classicists Become Alexander The Great’s Tutors’. That is, the likes of Adrian Goldsworthy, Mary Beard, Victor Davis Hanson, and other contemporary experts on Antiquity are sent back in time to tutor a teenaged Alexander. Additionally, ASB also hand-waves any linguistic barriers or “rash” responses by Philip II, Olympias, or their general retinue, as well as allotting the uptimer tutors some quarters bedecked with twenty-first century luxuries — television, running water, modern sanitation, their favorite foods, and their book collections neatly stacked on their bookshelves, among other accommodations. Ehem - powersupply and broadcast service? ASB and affiliates??  |
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 31, 2022 19:10:57 GMT
‘Modern Classicists Become Alexander The Great’s Tutors’. That is, the likes of Adrian Goldsworthy, Mary Beard, Victor Davis Hanson, and other contemporary experts on Antiquity are sent back in time to tutor a teenaged Alexander. Additionally, ASB also hand-waves any linguistic barriers or “rash” responses by Philip II, Olympias, or their general retinue, as well as allotting the uptimer tutors some quarters bedecked with twenty-first century luxuries — television, running water, modern sanitation, their favorite foods, and their book collections neatly stacked on their bookshelves, among other accommodations. Ehem - powersupply and broadcast service? ASB and affiliates?? Yeah; those, too. Guess TV and computers are pretty useless, unless they have reliable networks and power generation to hook up to — which Aristotle and other great thinkers of the era would no doubt be intrigued by, if you know what I mean. |
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Post by 575 on Dec 31, 2022 20:30:29 GMT
Ehem - powersupply and broadcast service? ASB and affiliates?? Yeah; those, too. Guess TV and computers are pretty useless, unless they have reliable networks and power generation to hook up to — which Aristotle and other great thinkers of the era would no doubt be intrigued by, if you know what I mean. Or if no network or power just find it utterly useless.. and a waste of time and then They'd fit nicely into our frame of mind |
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Post by Zyobot on Dec 31, 2022 22:13:51 GMT
Yeah; those, too. Guess TV and computers are pretty useless, unless they have reliable networks and power generation to hook up to — which Aristotle and other great thinkers of the era would no doubt be intrigued by, if you know what I mean. Or if no network or power just find it utterly useless.. and a waste of time and then They'd fit nicely into our frame of mind Eh, I think I'd rather they find them "useful" rather than "useless" — hence sending networks, power generation, and maintenance crews along for the ride to keep them going. Or, at least, having ASB hand-wave one more time and guarantee that they work, no matter how many laws of physics or logic they break in the process!  |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 2, 2023 14:28:51 GMT
WI: Khmer Rouge from 1975 ISOT to 1500
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Post by stevep on Jan 3, 2023 12:04:18 GMT
WI: Khmer Rouge from 1975 ISOT to 1500
Ugh * 10^20. Your got one of the most bats**t insane regimes in history now enabled to spread their murderous rule across a much larger area.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 3, 2023 13:30:35 GMT
WI: Scandinavia from 793 AD to 3000 BC. A Norse speaking Europe?
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Post by 575 on Jan 3, 2023 14:36:02 GMT
WI: Scandinavia from 793 AD to 3000 BC. A Norse speaking Europe? What a naughty boy You are - well they have the most advanced ship technology - they will be rather surprised the weathers changed to something like Med climate in Scandinavia at least to the south, Panicum part of the agricultural package. Though before we all fall into trap of Viking conquest of all Europe remember the area was more populous than You'd think and people did trade and had done so since the Neolithic also with the Med area. The locals will be as wild and woolly as the Scandinavians though their weapons will be bronce but a really hardened bronzesword may be as tough as a bogiron sword!!! Also remember peoples back then weren't any more stupid (!) than today and no more than during 793AD just living in another day and age. They did build Stonehenge remember. Of course a lot in the north of Europe will still be in Neolithic culture so won't seem the first choice of prey unless we talk slaves.
Perhaps not a Norse Speaking but a Norse Dominated Europe though the locals will learn and exchange the row-boats for sailing types.
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Post by miletus12 on Jan 3, 2023 18:20:07 GMT
WI: Scandinavia from 793 AD to 3000 BC. A Norse speaking Europe? What a naughty boy You are - well they have the most advanced ship technology - they will be rather surprised the weathers changed to something like Med climate in Scandinavia at least to the south, Panicum part of the agricultural package. Though before we all fall into trap of Viking conquest of all Europe remember the area was more populous than You'd think and people did trade and had done so since the Neolithic also with the Med area. The locals will be as wild and woolly as the Scandinavians though their weapons will be bronce but a really hardened bronzesword may be as tough as a bogiron sword!!! Also remember peoples back then weren't any more stupid (!) than today and no more than during 793AD just living in another day and age. They did build Stonehenge remember. Of course a lot in the north of Europe will still be in Neolithic culture so won't seem the first choice of prey unless we talk slaves.
Perhaps not a Norse Speaking but a Norse Dominated Europe though the locals will learn and exchange the row-boats for sailing types.
The neighborhood is kind of rough. You have Minoans, Hittities, Achaeeans and Egyptians. Phoenicians and the "minors". The Babylonians are just about to go on their genocidal empire building spree. Figure all of them to be worse than the Aztecs, much worse as to savagery. The Vikings will have their hands full, despite their iron age superiority. The neighbors are better organized and better at land warfare. Think Romans with bronze weapons. |
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Post by miletus12 on Jan 3, 2023 18:51:00 GMT
US South without whites ISOT from 1860 to 3000 BC. no whites, just blacks and mulattoes. How well do they fare? Very few slaves can read or write but they havd the agricultural knowledge. In the short term the south fractures into multiple independent states and regresses technologically to around the Middle Ages, what course of development do you see long term? That is not exactly right. You might not know about the Pascagoula shipyard, the Portsmouth, Norfolk navy yards or the Tredegar iron works. Then there were the Augusta, Georgia powder works, the shot tower for projectiles, the rope sheds in Mobile, and connon projectile factory in Macon and the Atlanta locomotive repair shops. Then there were the the iron foundries of Birmingham, Alabama. The CSS Virginia, CSS Alabama, and other ironclads and all those Confederate made cannons and muskets and pistols were made in those facilities. A lot of gunpowder and projectiles and other nasty stuff, about 3/4 of it in fact that the Unreconstructed Confederates shot at us was made in the fifth (some would say the third most industrialized by 1862, because the UCs got very busy.) most industrialized region on Earth in 1860. The Unreconstructed Confederates made all of it with highly educated slaves who knew chemistry, physics and industrial processing. There were enough of them in the coerced labor force to rapidly spread out and teach the rest of the liberated African Americans because that was what happened post American Civil War. To be specific, there were enough educated slaves to be by % as literate and capable as their "white" oppressor compatriates, most of whom were what we would now classify as equally education deprived and illiterate. I expect that the African Americans would, in the absence of those terrorists and other UCs, be quickly able to organize a political entity and dominate the region through superior organizational knowledge and practical experience with neolithic "hostiles". There were 4 million of them and only about 1 million Native Americans. |
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