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Post by stevep on Apr 17, 2021 18:13:51 GMT
Would Margaret of Anjou exercise more influence if she was the wife of an energetic king like James II? I can't imagine her having the same kind of mindset as her OTL counterpart who is married to Henry VI, though I think Margaret might have a happier marriage to James II.
I would say she would have less influence in Scotland simply because James wouldn't be that weak. Basically she had to fill in for her husband OTL in a way she wouldn't have to in Scotland. It could still be a very successful marriage, as well as possibly a close one, although there is the possibility that if she tried to influence things she might be unpopular for that. Powerful women, especially of foreign birth, aren't normally welcomed in much of history unless their replacing a weak husband. A more recent example would be Catherine the Great in Russia. On the other hand Alexandra, the wife of the last Czar, Nickolas II, was distinctly unpopular in Russia, in part because of her German birth when Germany was seen as the great threat.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Apr 17, 2021 18:20:23 GMT
I would think that Margaret and James in this case, would have been a happy couple, even if they were arranged to marry.
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Post by stevep on Apr 18, 2021 11:29:35 GMT
I would think that Margaret and James in this case, would have been a happy couple, even if they were arranged to marry.
I don't know enough about the characters of either of them, let alone in those different circumstances. Its a possibility definitely. An arranged marriage is pretty much a certainty for people of their rank in such a time.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Apr 19, 2021 5:16:35 GMT
The real question would have been, what will be the motivation on the part of the Stuarts to secure Margaret of Anjou.
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Post by stevep on Apr 19, 2021 15:12:52 GMT
The real question would have been, what will be the motivation on the part of the Stuarts to secure Margaret of Anjou.
The obvious one would be to have tighter ties for the alliance with France. Whether that would be a significant issue I don't know but could be because Scotland either feels threatened or feels strong enough that with France distracting English strength to the south James wants to launch attacks on northern England.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Apr 19, 2021 15:42:58 GMT
True, and there might also be a motivation on Scotland’s part to acquire those borderlands from England.
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Post by stevep on Apr 19, 2021 16:01:22 GMT
True, and there might also be a motivation on Scotland’s part to acquire those borderlands from England.
I'm not sure Scotland could secure substantial territories because of the power imbalance but they could gain some small, strategic areas and gain a lot of loot, which would probably be the primary aim.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Apr 20, 2021 5:25:25 GMT
Would James II also reinvigorate his campaign to conquer all of Ireland from England, or rather, liberate Ireland from England? I'm not sure if he might have the same Irish ambitions as Robert the Bruce in this matter, although I could also see James II and Margaret of Anjou's ATL children possibly acquiring the Irish throne in the future. Overall, I think that Margaret of Anjou and James II would be a power couple.
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Post by stevep on Apr 20, 2021 10:01:45 GMT
Would James II also reinvigorate his campaign to conquer all of Ireland from England, or rather, liberate Ireland from England? I'm not sure if he might have the same Irish ambitions as Robert the Bruce in this matter, although I could also see James II and Margaret of Anjou's ATL children possibly acquiring the Irish throne in the future. Overall, I think that Margaret of Anjou and James II would be a power couple.
Its a possibility although as I may have already mentioned there is a significant English settlement in the Pale around Dublin which since the Reformation - and more importantly the switch of England and Scotland to the Protestant side - hasn't happened yet, means their generally loyal to the English crown.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Apr 21, 2021 4:11:49 GMT
True, and there is plenty of time between the ATL marriage between Margaret of Anjou and James II, and any potential Reformation coming in.
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