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Post by stevep on Nov 27, 2018 10:45:36 GMT
Berlin, September 29, 1914Dear Father, The reception has been a great success! Even the emperor came to visit us, and several of the most senior figures of the German government were present as well. The Grand Admiral also was present, and I had a brief conversation with him concerning the possibility of war with the North Americans. He believes that it will be difficult for us given the distances involved. I decided to not inform him of our preparations. Just afterwards, we were joined by the emperor and a senior general, one Erich von Falkenheyn who has recently been made the head of their general staff. I didn’t ask much about the war, but together with Uncle Sytze, we briefly discussed what would happen if we found ourselves at war with the French. One issue that cropped up was that of the railways, as our lines simply don’t fit on each other. It seems that their tracks are 6,5 cm narrower than ours. In effect, that means that we simply can’t move trains that easily. I proposed simply extending the railways a little and building simple transferring stations, where men and material can move from one train to the other on the other side of the platform. But that apparently is a stupid idea. So it will be an issue and it will be hard for the Germans to reinforce us. But fortunately, the same will apply to the French on the attack. There wasn’t much time, but we have decided to have a brief meeting along with our good colonel to discuss details. Fortunately, there has been an extension of the American offer by a full two weeks, but there has been little talking. Mr Gerard has told me that they are still struggling with sending an embassy to us, because they fear for our intentions. It appears that in their press, some pretty awful lies have been printed about us. A few papers have printed our letter, but that seems to have done little but further incense their population, especially because this Roosevelt keeps demanding war. If things continue like this, we simply won’t have a choice. At the same time, the investigation is showing that the Germans in all likelihood are innocent, which comes as a great relief, if only because Hendrik remains on their border. In the German newspapers, I have seen them blame the English for what has happened. It appears that there is some difficulty between the two countries, although the emperor at least seems fond of the English. But then again, he is related to their king. The front between France and Germany appears to be stalling on both sides. I’ve heard about both armies basically constructing fortified defenses and attacking with terrible casualties. The fighting mostly takes place in France, just south of our border, stretching from our border around Bullioen from Sedan, past Verdun to Nancy and Belfort to the Swiss border. The numbers of dead and wounded I hear about are mind-numbing, but I’ve seen hospitals filled with wounded men. It’s utterly awful and I pray that we won’t have to see such things in our homeland. That the English would dare to make a demonstration against our coast is most shocking, and I can understand why admiral Kuypers is having issues because of that. Commander van Gent has written me that it was a day of shame, and swore to me that he would do his utmost to prevent it ever happening again. I must confess, it brings some joy to my heart to see that rear admiral Oude Luttinkhuis will be mounting an expedition against the Japanese. I was so worried over our people who remain on those islands, besieged by savages. Together with Uncle Sytze, I have been trying to find powers who would be willing to assist us against the North Americans. It appears that the Mexicans have quite some issues with them, and there has even been fighting, so that might be an avenue worth pursuing. Other than that, few countries have any desire to get involved. I’ve also spoken to a representative of the Chinese republic. They seemingly have plenty of internal issues, but bear quite some hostility to the Japanese. This man told me that if the war widens, the Chinese might declare their support for us. But he warned me about the alliance between the English and the Japanese which would apply as soon as two powers are at war with one of them. Someone more interesting was a delegate from the Republic of Colombia. He raised the topic of the North Americans having forced them to agree to the independence of a northern region of their country, around Panama, that the North Americans see as strategically vital. He said that their government might join us in return for the restoration of their rights. To also write something happier and less worrisome, I have been introduced to the most amazing cake that was apparently developed in Austria. The texture and chocolate-y taste are just heavenly. Your loving daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Geloof, October 2, 1914Dearest Jakoba, Your attempts to maintain peace are truly admirable, but I fear that soon enough, the time for soft-mindedness will be over and true manly virtue will have to carry the burden of making war on our enemies. I too believe in peace, it is our sacred duty, but there are things that can’t be accepted. War is dreadful, we all know that. And I am truly sorry if it has to come to that, because when the fighting is done, while we, men, might be covered in glory, whether dead or alive, you are left with the sorrows it brings. But life and death are never in a man’s hands, and we must be grateful for that. The North Americans ought to back down soon because fleets are being readied for the attack. I have been told that secret orders have been sent to Nieuw-Holland to prepare for war and to destroy the North American fleets. To this, we can add the happy news of the Remonstrantie’s first sister ship, the Reformatie to have formally joined the fleet there. The ships are being worked hard, as more and more convoys arrive and depart. The streets are filled with soldiers and everything seems like we already are at war. I pray that it will be glorious and victorious if war indeed is what must happen. That the Germans appear to be innocent doesn’t greatly surprise me. There is increasing hostility at sea between us and the English, with them only wanting to provoke us while we desire peace. The men are becoming restless and there have been demands to just open fire that of course were suppressed. That the investigation doesn’t yield much on the English doesn’t overly surprise me, I’ve heard that they have been avoiding collaborations, claiming needs for secrecy. But, what is far more important than any of this, my dearest daughter, please, be careful with what you describe as heavenly. It isn’t a reflection of the truth to call anything from this world by such a word. Your loving father, Johan Rots
Raunchel
So Molke the younger has still had his nervous breakdown. Given Falkenhayn's OTL record he will accept the need for attrition at least unless and until they find an alternative so its likely to get even bloodier. I wonder what the Dutch reaction will be if/when the Germans start using gas? Which made me think of something else. Since they are somewhat more devout than OTL world how do they view Jews? [Just imagine if Jakoba gets introduced to Fritz Harber?]
So the Dutch have a non-standard railway, which makes a kind of sense as the standard, if one exists on their world, has no reason to be identical to ours. That will affect both sides in any war, favouring the defender in all cases. Although it is easier to modify broad-gauge to narrow than the other way.
Its a pity that Jakoba at least doesn't realise what a dangerous game their playing with Britain. I would have thought at least she might have seen and put a gentle hint in her letters about 'possibly their just responding to what we did?'
In terms of the US normally looking for allies against a potential foe would be a good idea but we know how well that worked for Germany with Mexico, coupled with the mess that country is in at the moment. Columbia might be a better ally however. It is also worrying again that it sounds like Johan is hinting at a sudden attack, presumably without any dow. They would need of course to know where the US fleet is which might be difficult for them to find out without representatives there or any real knowledge of our world.
Which raises another issue, in terms of there are a few international agreements on warfare and more on international law but how much the Dutch will have found out about them I don't know and their likely to have different conventions so very likely both sides in any conflict will find the other outrageous and guilty of atrocities. Which will only make any wars even nastier. At this point the Japanese were still very much a liberal democracy in many ways and stuck strictly to the rules on behaviour to POWs in the war with Russia so given the racial contempt shown by the Dutch there could be some behaviour there which might anger both the Japanese and much of world opinion. From the general Dutch reaction as seen in the letters it sounds like there are less such laws and restrictions where they come from. 
There is the hint that the Dutch pocket on Japan is still holding out, although possibly that's simply because Jakoba does know current details. Would depend on how heavily it was fortified and how much support or not the Japanese there would given to their rulers but I can't see it holding out for long.
Anyway fascinating but worrying insight into how things are going.
Steve
PS - IIRC at this point China was under a general who was seeking to establish himself as a new emepror. See Yuan_Shikai. Actually he didn't try and make himself emperor until 1915, quickly had to backtrack in the face of widespread opposition and died in 1916 after which China fragmented. Sun Yat-sen and the KMT were in bitter opposition to Yuan and Sun himself was actually in exile in Japan at this point. Japan's notorious and clumsy 21 demands weren't issued until Jan 1815 and probably won't be this time around. As such while Yuan's government may be a possibly ally to the Dutch they could be an unstable one, especially if Yuan still tries to make himself emperor.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 27, 2018 16:37:03 GMT
Berlin, September 29, 1914Dear Father, The reception has been a great success! Even the emperor came to visit us, and several of the most senior figures of the German government were present as well. The Grand Admiral also was present, and I had a brief conversation with him concerning the possibility of war with the North Americans. He believes that it will be difficult for us given the distances involved. I decided to not inform him of our preparations. Just afterwards, we were joined by the emperor and a senior general, one Erich von Falkenheyn who has recently been made the head of their general staff. I didn’t ask much about the war, but together with Uncle Sytze, we briefly discussed what would happen if we found ourselves at war with the French. One issue that cropped up was that of the railways, as our lines simply don’t fit on each other. It seems that their tracks are 6,5 cm narrower than ours. In effect, that means that we simply can’t move trains that easily. I proposed simply extending the railways a little and building simple transferring stations, where men and material can move from one train to the other on the other side of the platform. But that apparently is a stupid idea. So it will be an issue and it will be hard for the Germans to reinforce us. But fortunately, the same will apply to the French on the attack. There wasn’t much time, but we have decided to have a brief meeting along with our good colonel to discuss details. Fortunately, there has been an extension of the American offer by a full two weeks, but there has been little talking. Mr Gerard has told me that they are still struggling with sending an embassy to us, because they fear for our intentions. It appears that in their press, some pretty awful lies have been printed about us. A few papers have printed our letter, but that seems to have done little but further incense their population, especially because this Roosevelt keeps demanding war. If things continue like this, we simply won’t have a choice. At the same time, the investigation is showing that the Germans in all likelihood are innocent, which comes as a great relief, if only because Hendrik remains on their border. In the German newspapers, I have seen them blame the English for what has happened. It appears that there is some difficulty between the two countries, although the emperor at least seems fond of the English. But then again, he is related to their king. The front between France and Germany appears to be stalling on both sides. I’ve heard about both armies basically constructing fortified defenses and attacking with terrible casualties. The fighting mostly takes place in France, just south of our border, stretching from our border around Bullioen from Sedan, past Verdun to Nancy and Belfort to the Swiss border. The numbers of dead and wounded I hear about are mind-numbing, but I’ve seen hospitals filled with wounded men. It’s utterly awful and I pray that we won’t have to see such things in our homeland. That the English would dare to make a demonstration against our coast is most shocking, and I can understand why admiral Kuypers is having issues because of that. Commander van Gent has written me that it was a day of shame, and swore to me that he would do his utmost to prevent it ever happening again. I must confess, it brings some joy to my heart to see that rear admiral Oude Luttinkhuis will be mounting an expedition against the Japanese. I was so worried over our people who remain on those islands, besieged by savages. Together with Uncle Sytze, I have been trying to find powers who would be willing to assist us against the North Americans. It appears that the Mexicans have quite some issues with them, and there has even been fighting, so that might be an avenue worth pursuing. Other than that, few countries have any desire to get involved. I’ve also spoken to a representative of the Chinese republic. They seemingly have plenty of internal issues, but bear quite some hostility to the Japanese. This man told me that if the war widens, the Chinese might declare their support for us. But he warned me about the alliance between the English and the Japanese which would apply as soon as two powers are at war with one of them. Someone more interesting was a delegate from the Republic of Colombia. He raised the topic of the North Americans having forced them to agree to the independence of a northern region of their country, around Panama, that the North Americans see as strategically vital. He said that their government might join us in return for the restoration of their rights. To also write something happier and less worrisome, I have been introduced to the most amazing cake that was apparently developed in Austria. The texture and chocolate-y taste are just heavenly. Your loving daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Geloof, October 2, 1914Dearest Jakoba, Your attempts to maintain peace are truly admirable, but I fear that soon enough, the time for soft-mindedness will be over and true manly virtue will have to carry the burden of making war on our enemies. I too believe in peace, it is our sacred duty, but there are things that can’t be accepted. War is dreadful, we all know that. And I am truly sorry if it has to come to that, because when the fighting is done, while we, men, might be covered in glory, whether dead or alive, you are left with the sorrows it brings. But life and death are never in a man’s hands, and we must be grateful for that. The North Americans ought to back down soon because fleets are being readied for the attack. I have been told that secret orders have been sent to Nieuw-Holland to prepare for war and to destroy the North American fleets. To this, we can add the happy news of the Remonstrantie’s first sister ship, the Reformatie to have formally joined the fleet there. The ships are being worked hard, as more and more convoys arrive and depart. The streets are filled with soldiers and everything seems like we already are at war. I pray that it will be glorious and victorious if war indeed is what must happen. That the Germans appear to be innocent doesn’t greatly surprise me. There is increasing hostility at sea between us and the English, with them only wanting to provoke us while we desire peace. The men are becoming restless and there have been demands to just open fire that of course were suppressed. That the investigation doesn’t yield much on the English doesn’t overly surprise me, I’ve heard that they have been avoiding collaborations, claiming needs for secrecy. But, what is far more important than any of this, my dearest daughter, please, be careful with what you describe as heavenly. It isn’t a reflection of the truth to call anything from this world by such a word. Your loving father, Johan Rots Another nice update raunchel, keep liking this letter type of timeline. |
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Post by raunchel on Nov 27, 2018 17:50:28 GMT
Berlin, September 29, 1914Dear Father, The reception has been a great success! Even the emperor came to visit us, and several of the most senior figures of the German government were present as well. The Grand Admiral also was present, and I had a brief conversation with him concerning the possibility of war with the North Americans. He believes that it will be difficult for us given the distances involved. I decided to not inform him of our preparations. Just afterwards, we were joined by the emperor and a senior general, one Erich von Falkenheyn who has recently been made the head of their general staff. I didn’t ask much about the war, but together with Uncle Sytze, we briefly discussed what would happen if we found ourselves at war with the French. One issue that cropped up was that of the railways, as our lines simply don’t fit on each other. It seems that their tracks are 6,5 cm narrower than ours. In effect, that means that we simply can’t move trains that easily. I proposed simply extending the railways a little and building simple transferring stations, where men and material can move from one train to the other on the other side of the platform. But that apparently is a stupid idea. So it will be an issue and it will be hard for the Germans to reinforce us. But fortunately, the same will apply to the French on the attack. There wasn’t much time, but we have decided to have a brief meeting along with our good colonel to discuss details. Fortunately, there has been an extension of the American offer by a full two weeks, but there has been little talking. Mr Gerard has told me that they are still struggling with sending an embassy to us, because they fear for our intentions. It appears that in their press, some pretty awful lies have been printed about us. A few papers have printed our letter, but that seems to have done little but further incense their population, especially because this Roosevelt keeps demanding war. If things continue like this, we simply won’t have a choice. At the same time, the investigation is showing that the Germans in all likelihood are innocent, which comes as a great relief, if only because Hendrik remains on their border. In the German newspapers, I have seen them blame the English for what has happened. It appears that there is some difficulty between the two countries, although the emperor at least seems fond of the English. But then again, he is related to their king. The front between France and Germany appears to be stalling on both sides. I’ve heard about both armies basically constructing fortified defenses and attacking with terrible casualties. The fighting mostly takes place in France, just south of our border, stretching from our border around Bullioen from Sedan, past Verdun to Nancy and Belfort to the Swiss border. The numbers of dead and wounded I hear about are mind-numbing, but I’ve seen hospitals filled with wounded men. It’s utterly awful and I pray that we won’t have to see such things in our homeland. That the English would dare to make a demonstration against our coast is most shocking, and I can understand why admiral Kuypers is having issues because of that. Commander van Gent has written me that it was a day of shame, and swore to me that he would do his utmost to prevent it ever happening again. I must confess, it brings some joy to my heart to see that rear admiral Oude Luttinkhuis will be mounting an expedition against the Japanese. I was so worried over our people who remain on those islands, besieged by savages. Together with Uncle Sytze, I have been trying to find powers who would be willing to assist us against the North Americans. It appears that the Mexicans have quite some issues with them, and there has even been fighting, so that might be an avenue worth pursuing. Other than that, few countries have any desire to get involved. I’ve also spoken to a representative of the Chinese republic. They seemingly have plenty of internal issues, but bear quite some hostility to the Japanese. This man told me that if the war widens, the Chinese might declare their support for us. But he warned me about the alliance between the English and the Japanese which would apply as soon as two powers are at war with one of them. Someone more interesting was a delegate from the Republic of Colombia. He raised the topic of the North Americans having forced them to agree to the independence of a northern region of their country, around Panama, that the North Americans see as strategically vital. He said that their government might join us in return for the restoration of their rights. To also write something happier and less worrisome, I have been introduced to the most amazing cake that was apparently developed in Austria. The texture and chocolate-y taste are just heavenly. Your loving daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Geloof, October 2, 1914Dearest Jakoba, Your attempts to maintain peace are truly admirable, but I fear that soon enough, the time for soft-mindedness will be over and true manly virtue will have to carry the burden of making war on our enemies. I too believe in peace, it is our sacred duty, but there are things that can’t be accepted. War is dreadful, we all know that. And I am truly sorry if it has to come to that, because when the fighting is done, while we, men, might be covered in glory, whether dead or alive, you are left with the sorrows it brings. But life and death are never in a man’s hands, and we must be grateful for that. The North Americans ought to back down soon because fleets are being readied for the attack. I have been told that secret orders have been sent to Nieuw-Holland to prepare for war and to destroy the North American fleets. To this, we can add the happy news of the Remonstrantie’s first sister ship, the Reformatie to have formally joined the fleet there. The ships are being worked hard, as more and more convoys arrive and depart. The streets are filled with soldiers and everything seems like we already are at war. I pray that it will be glorious and victorious if war indeed is what must happen. That the Germans appear to be innocent doesn’t greatly surprise me. There is increasing hostility at sea between us and the English, with them only wanting to provoke us while we desire peace. The men are becoming restless and there have been demands to just open fire that of course were suppressed. That the investigation doesn’t yield much on the English doesn’t overly surprise me, I’ve heard that they have been avoiding collaborations, claiming needs for secrecy. But, what is far more important than any of this, my dearest daughter, please, be careful with what you describe as heavenly. It isn’t a reflection of the truth to call anything from this world by such a word. Your loving father, Johan Rots
Raunchel
So Molke the younger has still had his nervous breakdown. Given Falkenhayn's OTL record he will accept the need for attrition at least unless and until they find an alternative so its likely to get even bloodier. I wonder what the Dutch reaction will be if/when the Germans start using gas? Which made me think of something else. Since they are somewhat more devout than OTL world how do they view Jews? [Just imagine if Jakoba gets introduced to Fritz Harber?]
So the Dutch have a non-standard railway, which makes a kind of sense as the standard, if one exists on their world, has no reason to be identical to ours. That will affect both sides in any war, favouring the defender in all cases. Although it is easier to modify broad-gauge to narrow than the other way.
Its a pity that Jakoba at least doesn't realise what a dangerous game their playing with Britain. I would have thought at least she might have seen and put a gentle hint in her letters about 'possibly their just responding to what we did?'
In terms of the US normally looking for allies against a potential foe would be a good idea but we know how well that worked for Germany with Mexico, coupled with the mess that country is in at the moment. Columbia might be a better ally however. It is also worrying again that it sounds like Johan is hinting at a sudden attack, presumably without any dow. They would need of course to know where the US fleet is which might be difficult for them to find out without representatives there or any real knowledge of our world.
Which raises another issue, in terms of there are a few international agreements on warfare and more on international law but how much the Dutch will have found out about them I don't know and their likely to have different conventions so very likely both sides in any conflict will find the other outrageous and guilty of atrocities. Which will only make any wars even nastier. At this point the Japanese were still very much a liberal democracy in many ways and stuck strictly to the rules on behaviour to POWs in the war with Russia so given the racial contempt shown by the Dutch there could be some behaviour there which might anger both the Japanese and much of world opinion. From the general Dutch reaction as seen in the letters it sounds like there are less such laws and restrictions where they come from.
There is the hint that the Dutch pocket on Japan is still holding out, although possibly that's simply because Jakoba does know current details. Would depend on how heavily it was fortified and how much support or not the Japanese there would given to their rulers but I can't see it holding out for long.
Anyway fascinating but worrying insight into how things are going.
Steve
PS - IIRC at this point China was under a general who was seeking to establish himself as a new emepror. See Yuan_Shikai. Actually he didn't try and make himself emperor until 1915, quickly had to backtrack in the face of widespread opposition and died in 1916 after which China fragmented. Sun Yat-sen and the KMT were in bitter opposition to Yuan and Sun himself was actually in exile in Japan at this point. Japan's notorious and clumsy 21 demands weren't issued until Jan 1815 and probably won't be this time around. As such while Yuan's government may be a possibly ally to the Dutch they could be an unstable one, especially if Yuan still tries to make himself emperor.
I couldn't see Moltke not having a breakdown to be honest. The whole plan is in shambles, there is no way to quickly knock out the French anymore, and the Russian juggernaut is coming. This is exactly the scenario they were fearing. I haven't yet thought of a reaction to the use of gas, but I assume that it will be seen as something quite shocking. But then again, it is war. It's not bad enough to seriously change things. The Jews have their rights, although there still are plenty of suspicions about them. Not as bad as the French were for instance, but not completely enlightened either. The railways, measurements, and all those things use different standards. For most things however, I do 'translate' them to our system so it's not annoying. It just isn't possible for things to be the same with such an early divergence. Jakoba sees how bad the situation is with the British, but she can't really tell her father what she really thinks. All that criticism of that kind would achieve (to her mind) would be to weaken her own position. The US situation indeed is a complicated one. There are several ready-made allies who would gladly free themselves from the Anglos to the north. Unfortunately for the Dutch, most of these countries are incredibly weak and a complete mess. Also because of US actions of course. And many won't dare to act out of fear. The Dutch indeed have their own conventions and customs. They however haven't yet signed any of this world's conventions or the like yet because there just hasn't been time for it. They're used to war being 'civilised' between civilised (meaning, white), peoples. Other wars are colonial wars, and there the gloves can and do come off. A bit like how the Hellenes saw wars between different cities and wars between them and barbarians. Nagasaki was relatively well-fortified and stocked, and they've had the advantage of the IJA not really being prepared to have to besiege one of their own cities. So, it's taken them some time to properly move the heavy guns in place, and there would also have been some political issues with naval gunfire being used on what they see as one of their own cities. Suffice to say, it won't be holding out forever, although the garrison commander won't surrender as easily as Port Arthur did. The Chinese situation indeed is very interesting. At this time, even the position of their ambassador wasn't entirely certain anymore because of all the political upheaval. At the same time, they already have plenty of disputes with the Japanese. Berlin, September 29, 1914Dear Father, The reception has been a great success! Even the emperor came to visit us, and several of the most senior figures of the German government were present as well. The Grand Admiral also was present, and I had a brief conversation with him concerning the possibility of war with the North Americans. He believes that it will be difficult for us given the distances involved. I decided to not inform him of our preparations. Just afterwards, we were joined by the emperor and a senior general, one Erich von Falkenheyn who has recently been made the head of their general staff. I didn’t ask much about the war, but together with Uncle Sytze, we briefly discussed what would happen if we found ourselves at war with the French. One issue that cropped up was that of the railways, as our lines simply don’t fit on each other. It seems that their tracks are 6,5 cm narrower than ours. In effect, that means that we simply can’t move trains that easily. I proposed simply extending the railways a little and building simple transferring stations, where men and material can move from one train to the other on the other side of the platform. But that apparently is a stupid idea. So it will be an issue and it will be hard for the Germans to reinforce us. But fortunately, the same will apply to the French on the attack. There wasn’t much time, but we have decided to have a brief meeting along with our good colonel to discuss details. Fortunately, there has been an extension of the American offer by a full two weeks, but there has been little talking. Mr Gerard has told me that they are still struggling with sending an embassy to us, because they fear for our intentions. It appears that in their press, some pretty awful lies have been printed about us. A few papers have printed our letter, but that seems to have done little but further incense their population, especially because this Roosevelt keeps demanding war. If things continue like this, we simply won’t have a choice. At the same time, the investigation is showing that the Germans in all likelihood are innocent, which comes as a great relief, if only because Hendrik remains on their border. In the German newspapers, I have seen them blame the English for what has happened. It appears that there is some difficulty between the two countries, although the emperor at least seems fond of the English. But then again, he is related to their king. The front between France and Germany appears to be stalling on both sides. I’ve heard about both armies basically constructing fortified defenses and attacking with terrible casualties. The fighting mostly takes place in France, just south of our border, stretching from our border around Bullioen from Sedan, past Verdun to Nancy and Belfort to the Swiss border. The numbers of dead and wounded I hear about are mind-numbing, but I’ve seen hospitals filled with wounded men. It’s utterly awful and I pray that we won’t have to see such things in our homeland. That the English would dare to make a demonstration against our coast is most shocking, and I can understand why admiral Kuypers is having issues because of that. Commander van Gent has written me that it was a day of shame, and swore to me that he would do his utmost to prevent it ever happening again. I must confess, it brings some joy to my heart to see that rear admiral Oude Luttinkhuis will be mounting an expedition against the Japanese. I was so worried over our people who remain on those islands, besieged by savages. Together with Uncle Sytze, I have been trying to find powers who would be willing to assist us against the North Americans. It appears that the Mexicans have quite some issues with them, and there has even been fighting, so that might be an avenue worth pursuing. Other than that, few countries have any desire to get involved. I’ve also spoken to a representative of the Chinese republic. They seemingly have plenty of internal issues, but bear quite some hostility to the Japanese. This man told me that if the war widens, the Chinese might declare their support for us. But he warned me about the alliance between the English and the Japanese which would apply as soon as two powers are at war with one of them. Someone more interesting was a delegate from the Republic of Colombia. He raised the topic of the North Americans having forced them to agree to the independence of a northern region of their country, around Panama, that the North Americans see as strategically vital. He said that their government might join us in return for the restoration of their rights. To also write something happier and less worrisome, I have been introduced to the most amazing cake that was apparently developed in Austria. The texture and chocolate-y taste are just heavenly. Your loving daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Geloof, October 2, 1914Dearest Jakoba, Your attempts to maintain peace are truly admirable, but I fear that soon enough, the time for soft-mindedness will be over and true manly virtue will have to carry the burden of making war on our enemies. I too believe in peace, it is our sacred duty, but there are things that can’t be accepted. War is dreadful, we all know that. And I am truly sorry if it has to come to that, because when the fighting is done, while we, men, might be covered in glory, whether dead or alive, you are left with the sorrows it brings. But life and death are never in a man’s hands, and we must be grateful for that. The North Americans ought to back down soon because fleets are being readied for the attack. I have been told that secret orders have been sent to Nieuw-Holland to prepare for war and to destroy the North American fleets. To this, we can add the happy news of the Remonstrantie’s first sister ship, the Reformatie to have formally joined the fleet there. The ships are being worked hard, as more and more convoys arrive and depart. The streets are filled with soldiers and everything seems like we already are at war. I pray that it will be glorious and victorious if war indeed is what must happen. That the Germans appear to be innocent doesn’t greatly surprise me. There is increasing hostility at sea between us and the English, with them only wanting to provoke us while we desire peace. The men are becoming restless and there have been demands to just open fire that of course were suppressed. That the investigation doesn’t yield much on the English doesn’t overly surprise me, I’ve heard that they have been avoiding collaborations, claiming needs for secrecy. But, what is far more important than any of this, my dearest daughter, please, be careful with what you describe as heavenly. It isn’t a reflection of the truth to call anything from this world by such a word. Your loving father, Johan Rots Another nice update raunchel , keep liking this letter type of timeline. Thanks! |
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Post by raunchel on Nov 28, 2018 8:41:12 GMT
Berlin, October 6, 1914
Dear Father,
I’m terribly sorry for not writing you earlier, but yesterdaym when I received your last letter, everything was chaos. We have finally received some additional staff, including at long last a naval attaché who actually speaks the language!
But that’s not what has been taking up my time and efforts. We received a declaration to hand to the American delegation, to inform them that as of noon today, we are at war. Naturally, I accompanied Uncle Sytze who seemed to be more resolved now. I had asked Karen to arrange for some photographers to be present, so the whole world could see that this was being done with pain in our hearts.
I’ve never had such a strange conversation as I had with the Gerards. They were friendly and welcoming, and seemed to be expecting us to speak of the ultimatum that would end tomorrow. The two were horrified when Uncle Sytze presented them with the document. Mrs Gerard actually went pale and asked why. Uncle Sytze replied that everything was explained in the note.
I briefly spoke with Mrs Gerard who told me that she feared for her sons, I said that I feared for my brothers and father as well, and that my fiancé had already fallen in battle. It’s strange how our mutual feelings of fear and grief can unite women even when it has come to war.
Naturally, our declaration of war was fully justified by the acts of the North Americans in threatening us, making unlawful and unacceptable demands, and in them denying us our fundamental rights. As soon as we were back home, I couldn’t take it anymore and Karen had to take me to my rooms to rest and pray. I fear that so many innocent lives will be lost because I failed to preserve the peace.
One thing that makes it even worse is knowing that Geertsje is on the other side of the ocean, far too close to these enemies. I’m worried for her, her daughter should grow up with a father, and I don’t know about what kinds of crimes these arrogant people are capable.
Writing this letter still took me several attempts. I can’t shake my dread and sorrow at what has happened but I couldn’t let tears stain what I send you. I am truly sorry for any unclarity I may cause. All this is simply beyond me.
Your faithful daughter,
Jakoba
Battlecruiser Geloof, October 6, 1914
Dearest Jakoba,
It’s war! I couldn’t await your next letter, but this very day, war has been declared on the North Americans. Naturally, there hasn’t been much happening here yet, but admiral Wolters had been given instructions in attack and will have begun his operations. I was told that he was to engage at sunrise, but he hasn’t been able to send us his warplan. I pray for speedy success so this situation can be resolved.
Aboard the Hasselt, there has been an incident where a gun crew almost opened fire on an English vessel without order. They naturally were reprimanded and temporarily relieved of their duties. It appears that they were deeply angry about insults to our national honour. On one hand, I can’t help but applaud them for their patriotism, but on the other, discipline has to be maintained.
The main reason I write this letter however is because I am so very proud of you and the service you have done all of us in your work in Berlin. Please, don’t blame yourself for the obstinacy of the North Americans. You did all you could, you’ve done far more than could be expected of anyone, let alone a young woman such as you.
Your loving father,
Johan Rots
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2018 14:47:15 GMT
Berlin, October 6, 1914Dear Father, I’m terribly sorry for not writing you earlier, but yesterdaym when I received your last letter, everything was chaos. We have finally received some additional staff, including at long last a naval attaché who actually speaks the language! But that’s not what has been taking up my time and efforts. We received a declaration to hand to the American delegation, to inform them that as of noon today, we are at war. Naturally, I accompanied Uncle Sytze who seemed to be more resolved now. I had asked Karen to arrange for some photographers to be present, so the whole world could see that this was being done with pain in our hearts. I’ve never had such a strange conversation as I had with the Gerards. They were friendly and welcoming, and seemed to be expecting us to speak of the ultimatum that would end tomorrow. The two were horrified when Uncle Sytze presented them with the document. Mrs Gerard actually went pale and asked why. Uncle Sytze replied that everything was explained in the note. I briefly spoke with Mrs Gerard who told me that she feared for her sons, I said that I feared for my brothers and father as well, and that my fiancé had already fallen in battle. It’s strange how our mutual feelings of fear and grief can unite women even when it has come to war. Naturally, our declaration of war was fully justified by the acts of the North Americans in threatening us, making unlawful and unacceptable demands, and in them denying us our fundamental rights. As soon as we were back home, I couldn’t take it anymore and Karen had to take me to my rooms to rest and pray. I fear that so many innocent lives will be lost because I failed to preserve the peace. One thing that makes it even worse is knowing that Geertsje is on the other side of the ocean, far too close to these enemies. I’m worried for her, her daughter should grow up with a father, and I don’t know about what kinds of crimes these arrogant people are capable. Writing this letter still took me several attempts. I can’t shake my dread and sorrow at what has happened but I couldn’t let tears stain what I send you. I am truly sorry for any unclarity I may cause. All this is simply beyond me. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Geloof, October 6, 1914Dearest Jakoba, It’s war! I couldn’t await your next letter, but this very day, war has been declared on the North Americans. Naturally, there hasn’t been much happening here yet, but admiral Wolters had been given instructions in attack and will have begun his operations. I was told that he was to engage at sunrise, but he hasn’t been able to send us his warplan. I pray for speedy success so this situation can be resolved. Aboard the Hasselt, there has been an incident where a gun crew almost opened fire on an English vessel without order. They naturally were reprimanded and temporarily relieved of their duties. It appears that they were deeply angry about insults to our national honour. On one hand, I can’t help but applaud them for their patriotism, but on the other, discipline has to be maintained. The main reason I write this letter however is because I am so very proud of you and the service you have done all of us in your work in Berlin. Please, don’t blame yourself for the obstinacy of the North Americans. You did all you could, you’ve done far more than could be expected of anyone, let alone a young woman such as you. Your loving father, Johan Rots Another fine update raunchel. So i notice that the letters mention only North Americans, like they put Canada in the same corner like the United States. |
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Post by raunchel on Nov 28, 2018 15:28:12 GMT
Berlin, October 6, 1914Dear Father, I’m terribly sorry for not writing you earlier, but yesterdaym when I received your last letter, everything was chaos. We have finally received some additional staff, including at long last a naval attaché who actually speaks the language! But that’s not what has been taking up my time and efforts. We received a declaration to hand to the American delegation, to inform them that as of noon today, we are at war. Naturally, I accompanied Uncle Sytze who seemed to be more resolved now. I had asked Karen to arrange for some photographers to be present, so the whole world could see that this was being done with pain in our hearts. I’ve never had such a strange conversation as I had with the Gerards. They were friendly and welcoming, and seemed to be expecting us to speak of the ultimatum that would end tomorrow. The two were horrified when Uncle Sytze presented them with the document. Mrs Gerard actually went pale and asked why. Uncle Sytze replied that everything was explained in the note. I briefly spoke with Mrs Gerard who told me that she feared for her sons, I said that I feared for my brothers and father as well, and that my fiancé had already fallen in battle. It’s strange how our mutual feelings of fear and grief can unite women even when it has come to war. Naturally, our declaration of war was fully justified by the acts of the North Americans in threatening us, making unlawful and unacceptable demands, and in them denying us our fundamental rights. As soon as we were back home, I couldn’t take it anymore and Karen had to take me to my rooms to rest and pray. I fear that so many innocent lives will be lost because I failed to preserve the peace. One thing that makes it even worse is knowing that Geertsje is on the other side of the ocean, far too close to these enemies. I’m worried for her, her daughter should grow up with a father, and I don’t know about what kinds of crimes these arrogant people are capable. Writing this letter still took me several attempts. I can’t shake my dread and sorrow at what has happened but I couldn’t let tears stain what I send you. I am truly sorry for any unclarity I may cause. All this is simply beyond me. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Geloof, October 6, 1914Dearest Jakoba, It’s war! I couldn’t await your next letter, but this very day, war has been declared on the North Americans. Naturally, there hasn’t been much happening here yet, but admiral Wolters had been given instructions in attack and will have begun his operations. I was told that he was to engage at sunrise, but he hasn’t been able to send us his warplan. I pray for speedy success so this situation can be resolved. Aboard the Hasselt, there has been an incident where a gun crew almost opened fire on an English vessel without order. They naturally were reprimanded and temporarily relieved of their duties. It appears that they were deeply angry about insults to our national honour. On one hand, I can’t help but applaud them for their patriotism, but on the other, discipline has to be maintained. The main reason I write this letter however is because I am so very proud of you and the service you have done all of us in your work in Berlin. Please, don’t blame yourself for the obstinacy of the North Americans. You did all you could, you’ve done far more than could be expected of anyone, let alone a young woman such as you. Your loving father, Johan Rots Another fine update raunchel . So i notice that the letters mention only North Americans, like they put Canada in the same corner like the United States. Fortunately for them, they do know the difference. It's just that they see Canada as being part of England (the whole United Kingdom obviously is propaganda meant to hide that they are oppressing the Scots and Irish. And perhaps the Welsh too, but no one ever thinks about them). |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2018 15:29:14 GMT
Another fine update raunchel . So i notice that the letters mention only North Americans, like they put Canada in the same corner like the United States. Fortunately for them, they do know the difference. It's just that they see Canada as being part of England (the whole United Kingdom obviously is propaganda meant to hide that they are oppressing the Scots and Irish. And perhaps the Welsh too, but no one ever thinks about them). Wonder if the Republic will be the one that helps the Irish rise up instead of the Germans. |
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Post by raunchel on Nov 28, 2018 15:42:08 GMT
Fortunately for them, they do know the difference. It's just that they see Canada as being part of England (the whole United Kingdom obviously is propaganda meant to hide that they are oppressing the Scots and Irish. And perhaps the Welsh too, but no one ever thinks about them). Wonder if the Republic will be the one that helps the Irish rise up instead of the Germans. It's complicated. On one hand, it will help against the English. On the other, they are Catholics. Unless the Protestants can be brought to rebel, but to be honest, that does seem to be more than a little unlikely. |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2018 15:47:20 GMT
Wonder if the Republic will be the one that helps the Irish rise up instead of the Germans. It's complicated. On one hand, it will help against the English. On the other, they are Catholics. Unless the Protestants can be brought to rebel, but to be honest, that does seem to be more than a little unlikely. So is all of the Republic Protestant then. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 28, 2018 15:59:43 GMT
Fortunately for them, they do know the difference. It's just that they see Canada as being part of England (the whole United Kingdom obviously is propaganda meant to hide that they are oppressing the Scots and Irish. And perhaps the Welsh too, but no one ever thinks about them). Wonder if the Republic will be the one that helps the Irish rise up instead of the Germans.
Possibly but that would mean war with Britain while their already at war with the US and the Japanese - albeit that they seem to be drastically underestimating the latter. Also given their views on Catholics and if its the Dutch that bring war about that might be a unifying factor as OTL. Although it will lack the factor of protecting the independence of a small nation such as Belgium.
With the Dutch decision to attack the US I wonder if they realise what their taking on? Its got a much smaller fleet but with the tension with Britain and war in Japan, plus the general instability of Europe with the ongoing conflict they could have problems bringing enough to bear on the US. The USN does have the problem of little recent experience and also being very top heavy with relatively few scouting elements [destroyers/cruisers] compared to the BBs and heavy cruisers.
In terms of armies the US one is very small and its probably going to take at least a year before they can get a sizeable one in the field and the quality could be dubious given how much the regular army is diluted plus they won't have had the OTL advantage of sell supplies to the EPs for three years so it could also take a while to ramp up production. On the other hand they do have a bloody big industry and a population of 92M in 1910 and 106M by 1920 as well as access to most raw materials. It will also mean war with the US forces in the Pacific, including in the Philippines as the DEI occupy the southern part of that.
A lot will depend on the demographics of the Dutch colonies and overseas republics, both in total numbers and their racial distribution. Given the mistrust of blacks, which is pretty much the same in the US at this stage and the question of how many people in the Dutch lands are Latino/Catholic rather than Dutch/Protestant and how the Dutch treat the former group.
Sounds like its going to be 'an interesting time' for a hell of a lot of people in the years ahead. Possibly even worse than OTL WWI! 
Seen your reply to Lordroel. There is the prospect that, given the Liberal governments commitment to Home Rule and the Protestant's opposition to it that the latter community could see violent unrest. However if the Dutch supported this in any way its likely to unite the more numerous Catholics behind the UK and probably make a lot of the mainland support for the Unionists fade away as there's an ongoing conflict with a hostile great power that poses a major threat to Britain.
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Post by stevep on Nov 28, 2018 16:00:41 GMT
It's complicated. On one hand, it will help against the English. On the other, they are Catholics. Unless the Protestants can be brought to rebel, but to be honest, that does seem to be more than a little unlikely. So is all of the Republic Protestant then.
It sounds rather like it from the comments about finding OTL Belgium being Catholic.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2018 16:05:15 GMT
So is all of the Republic Protestant then. It sounds rather like it from the comments about finding OTL Belgium being Catholic.
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Post by stevep on Nov 28, 2018 16:14:58 GMT
It sounds rather like it from the comments about finding OTL Belgium being Catholic.
Do not forget parts of former Southern Netherlands.
Sorry, not following what you mean here?
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2018 16:18:47 GMT
Do not forget parts of former Southern Netherlands. Sorry, not following what you mean here?
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Post by stevep on Nov 28, 2018 17:05:37 GMT
Sorry, not following what you mean here?
Parts of OTL Netherlands see this map which now would be the Republic where Catholic.
Ah I see your point. When you said former Southern Netherlands I thought you meant what's now Belgium as that's what it was called in the period of the initial rebellion against Spain up pretty much until the modern Belgium was formed in ~1839 I think it was. After all that region was then called the Spanish Netherlands and then the Austrian Netherlands.
In terms of what you mean I think the southern parts of the OTL Netherlands, as well as Belgium, have presumably been fully 'reformed' so to speak and will be overwhelmingly Protestant. Taking that from the comments in the letters in terms of surprise that the Belgians Jakoba came across were Catholics. Plus the apparent surprise that the Austrians were Catholics and I think Johan saying he was surprised/disappointed that Jakoba was having to mix with such people. Gives the general impression that at least in central Europe there are far less Catholics in the world the Dutch republic came from. Possibly also in large areas of their lands in S America depending how how much effort has been put into displacing earlier Spanish/Portuguese settlers and/or converting them.
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