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Post by lordroel on Jan 11, 2019 11:13:15 GMT
London, February 26 1915Dear Father, Thank you so much for your kind words. I fear that the shock of what has happened hasn’t yet fully sunk in, but fortunately, Elsbeth has given me much support in our shared grief for the loss of such a dear friend. I am truly grateful that she at least managed to escape, even though she knows that she will never see her home again. I feel so deeply sorry for having employed these two women, I should never have allowed myself to let such pursuits of friendship let me see beyond the truth of duty. What makes it even more difficult to me is the knowledge that Karen’s faith was of the wrong kind. I was coming closer to helping her understand, but her life was cut short which gives me such a horrible certainty. The only distraction I have and that I allow myself is duty. My meeting with the English king was relatively brief. He seems to have a much less present personality than the German emperor, and even a spirit that is less fitting to a monarch. He was playing overly sweet music as we spoke, and seemed to be relieved by some of our shared values. I felt more secure in speaking to him than to his German cousin, despite the more distant air, and believe that in the future, it will be possible to discuss some matters with him. After the Japanese delegation discussed some final matters with their government, they said that it would be difficult for them to accept the crews of their ships being imprisoned. Of course, I had expected this, and was ready to concede. I however pointed out that our government would want to see something in return, and we agreed that the crews would sail their ships to Singapore and that the English would then allow them to travel home, while promising good stewardship with maintenance to be overseen by an Anglo-Japanese commission. I know that this sounds like a concession, but it still achieves what we set out to do. The Japanese fleet will be neutered for the coming time, allowing us to withdraw units which are needed elsewhere. After this concession, the Japanese delegation also was given full permission to sign, allowing peace negotiations to begin in two weeks time. Our ambassador also signed. I will not be involved in the formal peace treaty, allowing me to focus on the other wars that must be ended. The North Americans still refuse to see us, but I found the opportunity to have a brief talk to the wife of a member of the embassy. She told me that their new government has made it clear that there are to be no talks at all, even though there is much disagreement with that stance. It seems that they feel like talks can only begin once ever last one of our soldiers have left their shores. She doesn’t seem to fully agree with this stance, but few want to publicly say so. In order to hopefully create an opening, I told her that we are more than open to a settlement, but will keep fighting for as long as it takes to obtain one favourable to us. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Vlijt, March 5, 1915Dearest Jakoba, It does me well to have received your letter and I am proud of how you stand proud in the face of loss and suffering. I have prayed every day that you may continue to see your duty, and am glad that you have taken its meaning to heart. I have little time to write now, we currently are in action and it is quite a thing. On the first, the first phase of the offensive started, with both our troops in East-Friesland and the French in the south of their country launching attacks preceded by heavy artillery. I unfortunately do not know much about how the attack is proceeding except that our men seem to have reached Westerstede. The Germans however are moving in mass reinforcements. In the night, we had also set sail to cover a fleet of older battleships which proceeded to bombard Baltrum, Langenoog, Spiekeroog, and Wangerooge before marines moved up to land. Our bombardment squadrons suffered losses, but the marines succeeded in forcing a landing. Baltrum and Wangerooge have already been taken, but Langenoog and Spiekeroog still resist, complicating our plans for supportive flank attacks on the mainland. As was to be expected, the German fleet was forced to respond to the presence of our bombardment squadrons, and later in the day, their battlefleet arrived. This compelled the bombardment to cease as our own fleet moved forward to engage theirs. This compelled the Germans to withdraw after a short exchange of fire. Briefly, pursuit was offered but as we don’t know all of their minefields and they were withdrawing within the range of heavy coastal artillery, we couldn’t pursue further. Now, we remain at sea, several squadrons at a time. This should be sufficient to ward off further excursions by the enemy fleet, although there is an ongoing issue with submarines attacking us. If we are to stop them, we have to establish bases closer to them to be able to stop them. To the east, two days after we started our attacks, the Russians have also started an attack around Warsaw, aiming at the juncture between the German and Austrian armies. We however haven’t heard anything about their success, but given what you wrote earlier, I do not believe that they will force a breakthrough despite their promises. With confidence in our coming victory I remain, Your loving father, Johan Rots Nice update raunchel |
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Post by stevep on Jan 11, 2019 11:34:17 GMT
Great update as always raunchel . Did the Germans already in 1914 have the bombers and the range to reach a city like Groningen. The zeppelins could, the Gothas will only really appear in 1917.
Raunchel
Thanks for the clarifications.
Actually there would probably be room for the US POWs to be shipped out as they could go on the return link of ships bringing in men, supplies and equipment to the US. Although that does mean more organisation and also making sure there are supplies for them. As well as deciding where to put them and how to use/maintain them. Unless the Dutch are managing to load down those ships with some form of loot from the US?
Must admit I wouldn't have thought that those factors would be a major factor in causing a population drop in the US, unless it assumes 41-44 eastern front scale of fighting and possibly brutality for both sides. Or that there is a massive flight of people to escape the war, which could be a big boost to Canada, although many might return after the war unless things are still very bad.
Agree that I can't see a Dutch - US peace settlement any time soon as the two sides are so far apart and the drivers for each are probably increasing the gulf. Depending on how things go I wonder if the US might be even more isolationist after the war or looking for alliances and greater links with other people to provide allies?
Could be messy for a while in the Franco-Dutch alliance. It took until 1918 and the apparent crisis of the German spring offensives for a combined HQ and chain of command to be set up by the western allies. Here things might go a bit faster but may not other than both nations having their homeland directly threatened, which could also cause tensions, they have less in common than France had with Britain OTL.
When you say most of the troops being used in the US are colonial do you mean as in from the Dutch colonies - but still largely Dutch/white - or as in non-Dutch coloured/black and possibly Latino in origins?
Was hoping that the greater chaos might moderate feelings in Ireland. 
I presume that the UK, possibly in some co-operation with Australia and New Zealand, are making plans for what they would need to do if a war with the Netherlands broke out. [Although it would be complicated at this point with the other war(s) going on. [Being on the same side as the US and Japan wouldn't be a great problem but as Germany and in opposition to France and Russia would potentially be awkward.] Thinking they would need plans to secure Britain and its supply routes, to try and blockade the Dutch and also protecting the surviving dominions and colonies. Including if its possible to defend Malaya - probably not - and how to secure especially Yemen [so Britain can link up with India and Australia] and probably also 'regain' Ceylon and Tasmania as well as also supporting Canada. Basically the appearance of the Dutch empire especially has really screwed Britain's SLOC on which so much depends. Not saying I'm expecting an early conflict but any sensible government must have plans and alternative plans for different possibilities and potential threats.
Steve
There indeed is room in the supply ships, but as you say, they also have other things to ship out. Things like people and loot. Not even all the people are forced, there also are refugees. The Dutch are also taking away things like industrial equipment and, of course, some museum pieces that they wish to 'protect from the fighting'. These final ones however don't take up that much space. There are quite some refugees, also because of the internal issues the USA is now experiencing. For instance, there Dutch communities in Wisconsis have come under attack, along with the treacherous Amish, and of course, many hispanics and blacks too. And lots of innocents. And then there are all the people who would much rather stay alive. The fighting isn't 40's eastern front level, but there are some pretty horrible things happening. The most important factors however will be disruption to the food supply and the medical situation. Especially when paired with the heavy losses the US is suffering in terms of manpower because they are basically sending untrained lightly armed men led by untrained officers into battle, with all the effects one can expect from that. Most of the troops that the Dutch are using in America are non-whites with white officers. These troops have been drawn from South America, Africa, and even some from the East Indies. There also are some white units, but the majority by now is truly colonial. This is one of the factors in aiming for greater rights for coloureds at least, al allow for a greater recruitment pool for these overseas duties. Alliances at this time always were very difficult, because national pride was very important while the alliances tended to include several great powers, who couldn't just submit to another. So, it will be a lot of fun to try to herd those cats. Ireland is Ireland. It won't be moderated by just a bit of chaos. You need them engaged in a world war for that, and now that hasn't happened yet, things are seriously escalating. There indeed are lots of plans being made for a war breaking out, most of them of course are as much daydreaming as the Dutch plan against America was. Malaya probably can't be held, there are too many strong Dutch forces in the area, and even Australia would be seriously threatened. Canada however is perfectly safe, and the British could probably take Yemen and Puntland. They however would have to do it quickly, because being cut off from India is something incredibly bad for the Empire. There would probably be something like a mutual blockade, where the name of the game basically becomes forcing through heavily escorted large convoys, and some serious shortages in the homelands.
Raunchel
That sounds bad. Ironic that there are attacks on people with Dutch names when you consider the most famous American with a Dutch name at this point. Agree he would refuse to support what would be effectively a military coup that might put him back in power.
Even more worrying is that Jakoba is, if I read it rightly, asking the Dutch navy to try and put pressure on Britain. That could giver very explosive results given how blinkered those Dutch are about OTL's Britain and especially the way it would be feeling insecure at the moment and also given the importance of the RN. That could be something that could trigger a military clash very easily.
Churchill is being Churchill, trying to be sociable and friendly but also looking after those interests dear to him, including the status of his mother's homeland and indulging his curiosity. He might have been better off leaving it to Clemmie. Although since Jakoba is a formal delegate from the Dutch government she must expect such attempts at contact.
Can imagine the Japanese being worried after the Russian decision, which I still find rather odd. Nicholas is not being well advised but then that was far from unknown. Its also a concern for Britain because they definitely want to maintain friendly relations with Japan.
Another clash in the North Sea with the Dutch sounding like they came off the best but no significant German losses. I wonder if the situation will make the Germans look towards more surface ship construction, although that takes a lot of time and money, or is starting to look more at subs, which however has a number of big problems, especially with the chances of an accident and a neutral UK so close.
It sounds like the Dutch are running into logistical and resources limitations in N America, which is likely to give the Americans an important breather but they really need a lot of time, especially with their government in such chaos.
Steve
Slowly catching up after being busy yesterday evening.
It is pretty bad yes, but it is something that I would expect from how American society was (and is). There already were issues facing the German community, but now there isn't just a distant war. There is an actual invasion going on. This also means that the level of government organisation to just intern people isn't there at all. Jakoba was asking the navy to put pressure on Japan, to basically force the negotiations forward. I just had to include Churchill for lots of reasons, and not just because he is a fascinating character. He also is someone who can bring a lot to a story I think. Nicholas unfortunately was someone who tended to not perfectly think things through. Furthermore, the Russians are seeing this as an opportunity to make gains at a relatively small cost to themselves, as they believe that the Americans will give in soon enough now. It also allows them to support their ally without really having to do or risk anything at all. The Germans aren't really sure about what they should do. More surface ships would indeed be helpful, but then again, they are facing such a superiority that it won't make a huge difference. The subs are also not that effective for serious submarine warfare because there are far too many British ships around. And they really want to avoid sinking those. It would be pretty bad if they would also have to face them.
Raunchel
Very bad news for Karen. All too likely however in the heated sentiments of the time.
Patrolling the seas could be costly for the Dutch as apart from wear and tear it exposes them to possible ambush by subs, running into minefields or having an isolated force being overwhelmed. Britain had a markedly better position because its further away and hence a distant blockade could be done a lot more safely but even then there were losses and at at least one point a British dreadnought squadron nearly ran into the entire HSF. This was the German plan against Britain and would expect them to do likewise against their new enemy.
Forgot to ask. While Heligoland may be vulnerable to attacks on supply runs didn't it have coastal batteries at this stage? If so attempts by the Dutch fleet to attack it could be risky as even relatively light guns [i.e. 8-10" say] could do a fair amount of damage to capital ships let alone lighter units.
Steve
Unfortunately, things like this ended to happen. The Dutch fleet is indeed suffering wear and tear, but they feel like they have to act like this to ensure that their merchant shipping remains safe. Heligoland was a pain to attack. They had 144!!!!! 12" guns, so basically, there have only been relatively light attacks at night. Mostly in an attempt to get the Germans to come out and play. For such bombardments, older ships were generally used because they are still seen as expendable. So those bombers could be zeppelins, make me wonder if zeppelins where in the universe where the Republic came from and that why it was mentioned that bombers hit the city.
Lordroel
IIRC Raunchel mentioned they had some airships but I think the basic confusion is that Raunchel mentioned the town being bomber in her last post but the 1st one about the attack said " from an airship, they threw bombs on Groningen". As such assuming the 2nd attack was also by zeppelins.
Steve
Both indeed were zeppelin raids. I should probably have been clearer about that.
Raunchel
Well that seems a good collection of stupidity all around . The killing of Karen is expected but still pointless by Germany. The US is digging a deeper hole by considering anyone allied to the Dutch as at war with them. Also I'm disappointed that Jakoba is so short sighted. Her father I can understand but would think she had more sense then to think threatening people makes them more secure neighbours. Especially considering that Britain has obviously helped with the armistice with Japan. This Netherlands is sounding rather like 1914 Germany on steroids.
A bit surprised that the Japanese agreed to some of those terms, especially their sailors becoming POWs of the Dutch, especially when so much is uncertain about how they will be treated. Also the transfer of Port Arthur and talk of Japan demobilising, or is that just their navy? Plus what is the status of their colony in Korea. Japan must be desperate but I have the feeling the Dutch will push them into further conflict.
I can imagine Johan being so happy with that idea. 
Steve
Everyone is being stupid unfortunately. Jakoba at this point also isn't in the best mental state, she just heard that her lover was killed, and she really doesn't have much of an ability to deal with that. Especially because in her mind, it was all her fault. She doesn't really want to threaten anyone, but does believe that being able to cut off the Suez Canal is a strategic strength that shouldn't be given up too easily. Japan is demobilising the army as well. For now, Korea remains Japanese, but things might very well change in the eventual peace talks. And Johan is just laughing at the very idea of using planes to attack ships. What's next? Flattening a ship so the planes can fly and land directly? And maybe we could build ships to carry those little planes which, stay With me here, can attack enemy warships at great distances. You know what, on a second thought I realised it is a silly idea and Will never Catch on. You're perfectly right. It's sheer insanity. So this is a end to the mighty Imperial Japanese Navy, ore what is left after the battles they had with the Republican Navy during the Netherlands-Japanese War. It is, it has been beaten by a stronger fleet. The IJN still was in its infancy at its time. It however doesn't mean that they will never build another warship, although of course, there might be some limitations on battleship construction, as those are the ships that truly matter for naval war. And that will never change, just ask the admirals.
Raunchel
I can see a lot of people wanting to flee the fighting, especially minorities that are threatened by bigots but would have thought that most would probably be fleeing northwards to Canada rather than heading into a war zone to seek Dutch aid. Especially given the uncertainty of what would happen to them and the extra burden this imposes on the Dutch logistically. [Given that they have captured a number of major urban areas, especially New York I suspect the food and other supplies in their occupation zone is going to be pretty dire as well. ] Mind you escape to either Canada or the Dutch could be difficult for the blacks and Latinos who are still largely in the south in this period. Would say the "And lots of innocents" is probably redundant as I suspect that very few of the people suffering in such attacks were anything but loyal Americans, at least before they got such treatment.
Thanks for the clarification on the 'Dutch' forces in the US. That its mainly coloured - which the US would classify as blacks - will definitely heighten racial tension in the US.
I fear herding those cats apply both to assorted alliances and the situation in Ireland.
Don't think there was serious anti-German sentiment in the US until the US was on the verge of joining the war and TTL, especially since both are fighting the Dutch here. However that sort of xenophobia is I fear too likely in this circumstance, especially with a shock invasion showing how vulnerable the country turned out to be. Going to weaken the US both now and post-war.
The quote I always remember about Nicholas was that he always had opinions but they were generally those of the last person he spoke to.
I think ultimately the Germans will have to go for more subs but try attacking chiefly military targets. They can get away with underwater attacks on Dutch convoys as the latter are defended by military vessels so the rules for stop and search for contraband don't apply. Those two steps would minimise the danger of accidentally attacking British or other neutral shipping. Those Dutch patrols could be especially vulnerable, especially if their capacities for ASW are as weak as for OTL 1914. Or possibly trying to pick off the convoy escorts. Although I presume the main Dutch convoys are coming through the Channel and it would be very difficult for the Germans to get to them.
I thought Heligoland would be defended but 144 12" guns! Surprised the Germans even bothered to sortie as the Dutch were on a hiding to nothing trying to attack a defensive battery like that, unless most were poorly protected. A blockade might force a combat or a serious threat of invasion but the latter's going to be bloody difficult in the face of that firepower unless a lot is neutralised.
True the death of Karen would affect her especially since your made clear she was more than a friend - which we rather suspected anyway. Although the general attitude of the Dutch seem to be very like that of imperial Germany, i.e. we are secure when we make everybody else vulnerable which I suspect means that ultimately they will go down because they threaten too many nations. If not or the current conflict doesn't broaden their world view of accepting other nations have rights and interests its going to be a grim world I fear.
Surprised that the Japanese are demoblising their army as that leaves them pretty much totally vulnerable, especially if/when the Dutch end their other wars. However see in the next letter there is a concession on their sailors.
At this point attempting to sink ships by a/c is very difficult although because its something that's never been experienced before it means ships have very little protection, both in terms of guns capable of AA defence and also armoured protection against torpedo attacks. However desperation might force even faster innovation than OTL, especially for the US and Germany and as engine power increases carrying torpedoes especially becomes more practical. Then despite what Johan thinks navies have to develop some sort of carriers because they need them to defend against such attacks.
Anyway think I've covered everything and will reply separately on the next letter.
Steve
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Post by stevep on Jan 11, 2019 12:20:28 GMT
London, February 26 1915Dear Father, Thank you so much for your kind words. I fear that the shock of what has happened hasn’t yet fully sunk in, but fortunately, Elsbeth has given me much support in our shared grief for the loss of such a dear friend. I am truly grateful that she at least managed to escape, even though she knows that she will never see her home again. I feel so deeply sorry for having employed these two women, I should never have allowed myself to let such pursuits of friendship let me see beyond the truth of duty. What makes it even more difficult to me is the knowledge that Karen’s faith was of the wrong kind. I was coming closer to helping her understand, but her life was cut short which gives me such a horrible certainty. The only distraction I have and that I allow myself is duty. My meeting with the English king was relatively brief. He seems to have a much less present personality than the German emperor, and even a spirit that is less fitting to a monarch. He was playing overly sweet music as we spoke, and seemed to be relieved by some of our shared values. I felt more secure in speaking to him than to his German cousin, despite the more distant air, and believe that in the future, it will be possible to discuss some matters with him. After the Japanese delegation discussed some final matters with their government, they said that it would be difficult for them to accept the crews of their ships being imprisoned. Of course, I had expected this, and was ready to concede. I however pointed out that our government would want to see something in return, and we agreed that the crews would sail their ships to Singapore and that the English would then allow them to travel home, while promising good stewardship with maintenance to be overseen by an Anglo-Japanese commission. I know that this sounds like a concession, but it still achieves what we set out to do. The Japanese fleet will be neutered for the coming time, allowing us to withdraw units which are needed elsewhere. After this concession, the Japanese delegation also was given full permission to sign, allowing peace negotiations to begin in two weeks time. Our ambassador also signed. I will not be involved in the formal peace treaty, allowing me to focus on the other wars that must be ended. The North Americans still refuse to see us, but I found the opportunity to have a brief talk to the wife of a member of the embassy. She told me that their new government has made it clear that there are to be no talks at all, even though there is much disagreement with that stance. It seems that they feel like talks can only begin once ever last one of our soldiers have left their shores. She doesn’t seem to fully agree with this stance, but few want to publicly say so. In order to hopefully create an opening, I told her that we are more than open to a settlement, but will keep fighting for as long as it takes to obtain one favourable to us. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Battlecruiser Vlijt, March 5, 1915Dearest Jakoba, It does me well to have received your letter and I am proud of how you stand proud in the face of loss and suffering. I have prayed every day that you may continue to see your duty, and am glad that you have taken its meaning to heart. I have little time to write now, we currently are in action and it is quite a thing. On the first, the first phase of the offensive started, with both our troops in East-Friesland and the French in the south of their country launching attacks preceded by heavy artillery. I unfortunately do not know much about how the attack is proceeding except that our men seem to have reached Westerstede. The Germans however are moving in mass reinforcements. In the night, we had also set sail to cover a fleet of older battleships which proceeded to bombard Baltrum, Langenoog, Spiekeroog, and Wangerooge before marines moved up to land. Our bombardment squadrons suffered losses, but the marines succeeded in forcing a landing. Baltrum and Wangerooge have already been taken, but Langenoog and Spiekeroog still resist, complicating our plans for supportive flank attacks on the mainland. As was to be expected, the German fleet was forced to respond to the presence of our bombardment squadrons, and later in the day, their battlefleet arrived. This compelled the bombardment to cease as our own fleet moved forward to engage theirs. This compelled the Germans to withdraw after a short exchange of fire. Briefly, pursuit was offered but as we don’t know all of their minefields and they were withdrawing within the range of heavy coastal artillery, we couldn’t pursue further. Now, we remain at sea, several squadrons at a time. This should be sufficient to ward off further excursions by the enemy fleet, although there is an ongoing issue with submarines attacking us. If we are to stop them, we have to establish bases closer to them to be able to stop them. To the east, two days after we started our attacks, the Russians have also started an attack around Warsaw, aiming at the juncture between the German and Austrian armies. We however haven’t heard anything about their success, but given what you wrote earlier, I do not believe that they will force a breakthrough despite their promises. With confidence in our coming victory I remain, Your loving father, Johan Rots
Raunchel
Sounds like Elsbeth or at least Jakoba on her behalf has given up on a return to Germany after the war which may be too soon depending on what happens in the conflict.
George V did from what little I know seem to be a fairly quiet and modest figure, definitely nothing like Wilhelm who he found far too brusk and arrogant. Probably a bit too conservative to get on good terms with Jakoba, especially if she tries to convert him.
Sounds like some division in the US but its going to be difficult for any peace agreement while both sides are so far apart. Can't see any way, even if the US agreed to military limits the Dutch could enforce those limits, at least in terms of land power. Could see restrictions on US warship construction, especially the big ships but that could simply force them to look at other options. [Thinking again subs and air/carrier development along with possibly some fast raiders.] Basically the Dutch have a tiger by the tail and I can't see a solution for either side that doesn't lead to another war a few years down the lines.
With those losses for the older bombardment squadrons does this mean actual sinking or just being damaged and needing repairing in port? Some of them may not be in the latter case as despite what the navy might want the Dutch are likely to face a serious manpower squeeze and they could have to mothball some ships to maintain others. Especially since the army and the armaments industries are going to be demanding a lot more men. If they don't have a substantial capacity for producing artillery and shells for the army and it sounds like they don't there is likely to be shortages there as well. Plus damage could be done if they don't have the idea of protected industries who's skilled staff are forbidden to volunteer as in WWI, especially the early years, all the nations suffered with that. Too many volunteers could have done a better job for their countries by staying at work.
Frankly I suspect all three EP attacks, by the Dutch, French and Russians to suffer badly. The Germans are very likely by most measures the best army in the world at this point and are on the defensive. Provided they aren't suffering too badly from a shell shortage while the Haber process is ramped up their going to be very tough to break down. At this point in OTL even the French had too few heavy artillery to really break defensive positions and also probably lacked the necessary experience and doctrine for their artillery while if their still attacking recklessly it could be very bad. The Russians will have numbers but probably have lost a lot of their professional forces already as well as being short of weapons and munitions. Also the junction between the German and Austrian forces could be either Galaica or Silesia. The former has good defensive terrain and fortresses if they weren't taken already - which may not be the case as without the massive advance through Belgium the Germans could have committed a lot more men to the east. Silesia also has some defensive terrain and good infrastructure while its industrial importance and proximity to Berlin means its likely to be heavily defended. The Dutch are an unknown quality but assuming a bit like a slight larger Britain in terms of professional forces but less manpower in total - ignoring the colonies for the moment -and given the importance of the navy probably limited in the short term in turns of experienced troops, heavy equipment and most of all experience of a big continental war. Especially given the comments where they seem amazed by the size of the armies being produced by the continental powers here. As such I would expect then to do somewhere between the French and Russian in performance. They could also face the same problem as Britain, especially with their homeland on the front line, in that the regular forces are too busy fighting to have much to spare for training new recruits which could mean the latter suffers heavy losses. I think heavy losses are inevitable for all sides because no one is really ready for the sort of war being waged.
I forgot that you responded to my comments about the problems facing Britain in the event that war with the Dutch occurred. Agree that Malaya is going to be very difficult to defend, if not impossible. Australia's main strength might be its northern territories are pretty barren so unless its a case of an amphibious assault on the main urban areas in the SE the Dutch are going to have to march a long way through hostile terrain. Although their possession of Tasmania could be very useful for them here. India as you say is also very exposed but with some preparation could be boosted in its forces and might also be able to pose a serious threat to Ceylon.
In the event of such a war the North Sea and Channel will be a mess as both sides fight to protect their supply lines and cut the others. Britain has an edge geography over the Netherlands but assuming that France also supports the Dutch then supplies could be landed in the Biscay ports while long ranged attacks/raids could pose problems for the British western ports. Also given the use of shore bombardment on undefended targets by the Dutch I would expect that Britain is also looking at coastal defence for the east and southern coastlines especially. One advantage here, while he had some wild ideas, is that Fisher, the 1st Sea Lord, was very inventive and open to new ideas so there could already be a significant rethinking of a lot of British naval policies and idea.
Both sides could have problems with supply further afield. With S America, S Africa and the Aden region all under Dutch control there are limitations on where Britain could import food and other supplies from, especially with the chaos in the US. Cordite is going to be an especial problem here until Britain gets its own production set up, which could take a while. On the other hand Britain has a large fleet and could send a substantial detachment to attack convoys further afield, say as they pass Iberia say or even further south using Gibraltar as a base. The Dutch can't maintain large naval escorts for such convoys without both risking substantial losses or weakening their home fleet too much, especially if fighting both Britain and Germany.
Canada should be fairly secure, especially as the Dutch are making a pause in their activities in the US but could be vulnerable later if the war went well for the Dutch.
Anyway this all assumes that such a war starts, which would complicate matters for everybody and hopefully it won't come to that.
Steve
PS Thinking about it things are even worse for Britain as war with the Dutch could well mean war with France which adds their forces and colonial empire and bases, as a result meaning even the Med is going to be at risk?
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Post by raunchel on Mar 11, 2019 19:20:13 GMT
London, March 10, 1915
Dear Father,
Here, everyone speaks about the ongoing fighting and people who know who I am have even asked me about it in the street. I however am deeply worried. Have you heard anything about Hendrik? I have received a letter from Trui, she told me that her husband has been killed in the fighting. It is so terrible, her little child will never even know his father now!
Our recent talks to the Italians however are bearing fruit, and they have now declared war on our side. In the end, we offered them parts of the Austrian empire in the Balkans and part of their alpine territories. One advantage that this offers is that it allows the French navy to move from the Mediterranean to support our ongoing operations. But more importantly, their attack will draw more of the German and Austrian manpower away, hopefully leading to victory.
The Japanese prime minister is expected to be arriving soon to finalise the peace. It won’t take very long I believe, and will finally allow us to settle things in the east. I have also been told that their fleet has arrived in Singapore, which should mean that we can consider ourselves to be at peace there.
The North Americans still refuse to talk however, at least, openly. Through my new friend in their embassy, I have been able to meet her again, and we are now exchanging little letters. She personally abhors the war, and has told me some of the things that the North Americans expect from us. They seemingly want us to withdraw completely from their shores, including any overseas territories they may have held at some point in the past of this world. They also seem to demand quite massive reparations, even though the war is their own fault.
It is quite a sad situation, and I can only hope that soon, we will be able to make peace again. I have also made several incognito visits to some little places purely for women. Here, I have been able to make some new friends, which at least allows me to do something with my time now that there is so little to be discussed.
Elsbeth has also been able to arrange for some messages to be exchanged with some of the friends I made in Germany. We have been united by our shared grief over the loss of a dear friend, and as friends, we aim to comfort each other.
Of course, I’m only a woman so I don’t understand too much of the military situation. So, I would be truly grateful for an explanation.
Your faithful daughter,
Jakoba
Battlecruiser Vlijt, March 15, 1915
Dearest Jakoba,
It must be terrible for your friend to have lost her husband like that, but she can be proud that he has died a hero’s death, the best any man could hope for. I haven’t heard anything from Hendrik, so I presume that he remains safe.
He is part of the main attack around Venlo, where our army, combined with the French, have now launched another attack after reserves were drawn away by our two attacks and the Russian one. They have been able to advance into the enemy positions, and it is expected that they will soon be fully pierced, allowing us to advance on the German industrial regions.
Our attacks on the islands continue, although the land offensive has been brought to a halt. There have been losses on our part, with the battleship Tijdverdrijf being hit by a submarine attack and sinking as the worst. The Germans have also counterattacked on Wangerooge while we have removed them completely from Langenoog.
Unfortunately, the earlier plans for flank attacks on the mainland have had to be cancelled due to losses suffered by the marines and a lack of suitable reinforcements. These island bases we have now taken will however make it easier to protect ourselves from aerial attacks on innocents.
To explain things to you, we have devised a relatively simple plan. Both we and the French attacked at the far ends of the front, in order to lure German reinforcements there. This was followed by a Russian attack, that should also have drawn on their reserves. As you will understand, this will have drained their ability to support other positions, leading to the offensive from Venlo. As you mention, the Italian army joining us will be very valuable, they will draw on the Austrians, to the German army should be overextended and broken within a couple of weeks.
With confidence in our coming victory I remain,
Your loving father,
Johan Rots
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Post by raunchel on Mar 11, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
Now that I'm freshly retired, I have some time to write again. I'll be replying to comments at another time, because I have a lot of work to do!
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Post by lordroel on Mar 11, 2019 19:25:58 GMT
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Post by stevep on Mar 11, 2019 22:30:22 GMT
Now that I'm freshly retired, I have some time to write again. I'll be replying to comments at another time, because I have a lot of work to do! Great to see a new update raunchel .
Fully agree. Excellent to see this TL active again. 
Like the "Of course, I’m only a woman so I don’t understand too much of the military situation. So, I would be truly grateful for an explanation" as a way of getting more info out of her father. It sounds like he might not know much himself, although as a naval officer I wouldn't expect him to.
Sounds like the 'allies' are trying for a quick attrition process but that's likely to be very expensive, even if it works. Especially with limited experience of such combat, by everybody but probably especially the Dutch, its going to be a real bloodbath. The CPs might crack but I suspect it won't be in this campaign.
One thing with all sides is that the most eager and supportive of the current regime for each power will tend to be killed off/dischanted 1st. This could be especially bad for the Austrians with their multi-national population and the Dutch with less experience/preparation for such a war. However I suspect no one is willing to surrender yet.
If the French are attacking at the south of the line their striking at the most powerful part of the German defences so their probably taking huge losses. The attack in the centre may work, especially since the Germans had no real defences established in that location but even so its going to be difficult if the Germans can maintain a coherent line.
Johan and his fellows could be considerably over-estimating the value of the Italians at the moment. They fought hard but were poorly led and equipped and the Austrians have a very good defensive position, especially if the Italians are attacking across the Isonzo as that is pretty much an impossible position given the equipment available to the Italians.
All in all I suspect its going to take a couple of years at least before the CPs crack, especially since the Dutch are also fighting in the US.
Johan also doesn't seem to have trigged what Jakoba means when she says "I have also made several incognito visits to some little places purely for women"
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Post by raunchel on Mar 14, 2019 7:22:48 GMT
Now that I'm freshly retired, I have some time to write again. I'll be replying to comments at another time, because I have a lot of work to do! Great to see a new update raunchel . Thank you! I'm really hoping that I'll be able to write a little more in the near future.
Fully agree. Excellent to see this TL active again.
Like the "Of course, I’m only a woman so I don’t understand too much of the military situation. So, I would be truly grateful for an explanation" as a way of getting more info out of her father. It sounds like he might not know much himself, although as a naval officer I wouldn't expect him to.
Sounds like the 'allies' are trying for a quick attrition process but that's likely to be very expensive, even if it works. Especially with limited experience of such combat, by everybody but probably especially the Dutch, its going to be a real bloodbath. The CPs might crack but I suspect it won't be in this campaign.
One thing with all sides is that the most eager and supportive of the current regime for each power will tend to be killed off/dischanted 1st. This could be especially bad for the Austrians with their multi-national population and the Dutch with less experience/preparation for such a war. However I suspect no one is willing to surrender yet.
If the French are attacking at the south of the line their striking at the most powerful part of the German defences so their probably taking huge losses. The attack in the centre may work, especially since the Germans had no real defences established in that location but even so its going to be difficult if the Germans can maintain a coherent line.
Johan and his fellows could be considerably over-estimating the value of the Italians at the moment. They fought hard but were poorly led and equipped and the Austrians have a very good defensive position, especially if the Italians are attacking across the Isonzo as that is pretty much an impossible position given the equipment available to the Italians.
All in all I suspect its going to take a couple of years at least before the CPs crack, especially since the Dutch are also fighting in the US.
Johan also doesn't seem to have trigged what Jakoba means when she says "I have also made several incognito visits to some little places purely for women"
Steve
Thanks. You wouldn't know how much information you can draw out of most men by little things like feigning ignorance and drawing attention to you being a woman. I guess that it has to do with appealing to their pride or the like, but with a few words, I find that most of them start talking (also about more secret things). But you're right, there isn't much that her father knows about the land-based side of things. And it's not just not being informed, there also is the massive issue of the generals, well, being in the army, and not wanting to admit to any kind of problem to the navy of all people. There indeed won't be major powers giving up in the near future. They all have far too much in the way of pride and reserves to give up yet. The only one that could logically throw in the towel at this point is the USA, but they have their own massive internal issues that make that a lot harder. Austria indeed is vulnerable, but here, they haven't suffered as badly against the Russians, and are closer to putting an end to the Serbians as well. Furthermore, parts of their pre-war army have been preserved here, which makes it a far more capable force. The Dutch main issue is a lack of strategic depth. A solid German offensive that forces a breakthrough could easily see very significant areas lost. But at the same time, the French and Dutch are awfully close to the Ruhr, where the war could also be ended with a successful offensive. The problem however is that serious breakthroughs aren't exactly easy to accomplish at this time, especially not against armies like the German or the French. Italy indeed is being overestimated by everyone. Based on what I read, Italian entry was seen as a disaster by the Germans and Austrians in our history. Only later did they see that Italy wasn't nearly as strong as suspected. Here, the same will apply, especially because they will be facing a more professional Austrian army. And naturally, Johan is very happy that his little girl isn't associating with men. That after all could point to all kinds of awful things But this will become more significant over time, and might even have an effect on world history. |
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Post by raunchel on Mar 14, 2019 7:23:40 GMT
London, March 19, 1915
Dear Father,
It is something that I abhor, but today is a day that I write you while filled with anger. It appears that the Russians have taken the opportunity afforded by our defeating the Japanese and have landed on several islands that the Japanese took in an earlier war. As you will understand, this has enraged everyone. It is a deep violation of the trust that the Japanese have placed in us, and an insult by our so-called ally. I have spoken briefly to the Russian minister, but he denies that there is anything wrong, claiming that the Russians are merely moving forces to islands that are rightfully theirs.
The English also are deeply angered, and in the newspapers, I have read that they believe that we were collaborating with the Russians to achieve such treachery. Mr Roelands has been called to the Foreign Office to explain himself, but he didn’t have much to say. I hope that we can soon establish a better working relationship with the Russians so we can put this episode behind ourselves. I am deeply afraid that there may be further consequences coming from this.
There also is further bad news. Because it is being said that our armies are stuck and unable to force the matter, Bulgaria has now also declared war on us. This will put further pressure on Serbia, although I can’t tell how that will affect the war other than giving the Austrians more forces to use against the Russians. There now also is talk of the Turks joining the war as well, which will destabilize the whole Near East and create another front to fight on.
I am sorry for not having happier things to say. I have made a few more friends, and have established a few more correspondences, but that unfortunately doesn’t compare to the terrible news of having so many more enemies.
The only little light that has appeared is that the Greeks are the natural enemy of the Turk, and there have been some initial talks with them. I have asked The Hague for permission to pursue certain options, so they may formally declare their support for our just cause.
Your faithful daughter,
Jakoba
Antwerpen, March 24, 1915
Dearest Jakoba,
It pains me to read that you take the situation to heart like you do, and I do as well. The actions of the Russians were dishonest, even if fully legal. They saw that an enemy was weak and acted on it. I believe that the Japanese will be forced to accept this, and we should take it as a warning that we cannot fully trust our allies.
The Turk and Bulgaria declaring war is a slight setback, but they lack the ability to truly threaten us. From what I have heard, the Turk is weak and Bulgaria might be more capable, but they only threaten a minor ally that we can afford to lose. The main difficulty that I see is that it will be harder to supply the Russians by sea, which means that we will either have to strike at Constantinople or open up the Baltics.
The heavy fighting is ongoing. The battlefleet has been withdrawn to a safer distance, with rotating squadrons to act should the Germans attempt anything. The main focus of our attacks is in the south, of which I know little except that we are winning despite heavy losses. I however don’t know if we can fully rely on the generals, given that they have been claiming that they will break through any moment now for some time already.
Your mother has decided to become more active, and has become a regentess of a new foundation to care for children who are left alone because of the war. She wishes to ensure that they will be raised in obedience and love to the Lord and the Bible. Together with several other women, she is involved in arranging everything. This is something that fills me with pride and I know that you will also see that this is what your mother is like. She truly has a good heart.
Your loving father,
Johan Rots
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Post by stevep on Mar 14, 2019 9:42:07 GMT
Thank you! I'm really hoping that I'll be able to write a little more in the near future.
Fully agree. Excellent to see this TL active again.
Like the "Of course, I’m only a woman so I don’t understand too much of the military situation. So, I would be truly grateful for an explanation" as a way of getting more info out of her father. It sounds like he might not know much himself, although as a naval officer I wouldn't expect him to.
Sounds like the 'allies' are trying for a quick attrition process but that's likely to be very expensive, even if it works. Especially with limited experience of such combat, by everybody but probably especially the Dutch, its going to be a real bloodbath. The CPs might crack but I suspect it won't be in this campaign.
One thing with all sides is that the most eager and supportive of the current regime for each power will tend to be killed off/dischanted 1st. This could be especially bad for the Austrians with their multi-national population and the Dutch with less experience/preparation for such a war. However I suspect no one is willing to surrender yet.
If the French are attacking at the south of the line their striking at the most powerful part of the German defences so their probably taking huge losses. The attack in the centre may work, especially since the Germans had no real defences established in that location but even so its going to be difficult if the Germans can maintain a coherent line.
Johan and his fellows could be considerably over-estimating the value of the Italians at the moment. They fought hard but were poorly led and equipped and the Austrians have a very good defensive position, especially if the Italians are attacking across the Isonzo as that is pretty much an impossible position given the equipment available to the Italians.
All in all I suspect its going to take a couple of years at least before the CPs crack, especially since the Dutch are also fighting in the US.
Johan also doesn't seem to have trigged what Jakoba means when she says "I have also made several incognito visits to some little places purely for women"
Steve
Thanks. You wouldn't know how much information you can draw out of most men by little things like feigning ignorance and drawing attention to you being a woman. I guess that it has to do with appealing to their pride or the like, but with a few words, I find that most of them start talking (also about more secret things). But you're right, there isn't much that her father knows about the land-based side of things. And it's not just not being informed, there also is the massive issue of the generals, well, being in the army, and not wanting to admit to any kind of problem to the navy of all people. There indeed won't be major powers giving up in the near future. They all have far too much in the way of pride and reserves to give up yet. The only one that could logically throw in the towel at this point is the USA, but they have their own massive internal issues that make that a lot harder. Austria indeed is vulnerable, but here, they haven't suffered as badly against the Russians, and are closer to putting an end to the Serbians as well. Furthermore, parts of their pre-war army have been preserved here, which makes it a far more capable force. The Dutch main issue is a lack of strategic depth. A solid German offensive that forces a breakthrough could easily see very significant areas lost. But at the same time, the French and Dutch are awfully close to the Ruhr, where the war could also be ended with a successful offensive. The problem however is that serious breakthroughs aren't exactly easy to accomplish at this time, especially not against armies like the German or the French. Italy indeed is being overestimated by everyone. Based on what I read, Italian entry was seen as a disaster by the Germans and Austrians in our history. Only later did they see that Italy wasn't nearly as strong as suspected. Here, the same will apply, especially because they will be facing a more professional Austrian army. And naturally, Johan is very happy that his little girl isn't associating with men. That after all could point to all kinds of awful things But this will become more significant over time, and might even have an effect on world history.
That line in itself nearly made me add a LOL to the Like. Then glad I read your actual update as I had to drastically re-write what I was saying. 
Pride, reserves and also the fear of what happens if their opponents win. Germany especially had very dramatic views of how extreme a policy the winners whoever they were, would take to the losers, with the virtual disappearance of either Germany or France. Plus as you say with the Dutch heartland, although they might be able to fight on from their overseas republics and the Ruhr so close to the front there is relatively little room to give ground.
Without France losing so much of its industrial heartland and population it will be significantly better off and might also be able to supply some food for the Netherlands as opposed to the latter having to depend on imports so in that way the allies in the west will be stronger, although as you say the Russians have had a rougher time and the Austrians a distinctly better one. I thought that Turkey had already joined the war and was asking whether a Gallipoli type campaign would be considered . However suspect it won't happen in the near term because with the current fighting near the border and the belief that they might win a quick victory the Netherlands won't have any spare men - although I suppose they might try a naval solution. Bulgaria joining the war almost certainly dooms Serbia very quickly as they have a long and markedly less mountainous common border. I was a bit surprised it happened this soon as I thought they might wait until they survive the current Franco-Dutch offensive, especially if the latter are talking up their chances of success. Also by attacking the Kurils I presume it is, I strongly suspect that Russian concerns aren't high on the Dutch list of importance at the moment, especially if they think they can win on their own.
One possible butterfly, since Enva Pasha can't launch a disastrous winter attack that gets his army slaughtered, is that the Turks may not scapegoat the Armenians although I fear the situation is set up for some sort of slaughter at some stage.
Greece might join the allies but it would be difficult. Depending on your sources the king is either pro-German or strongly in favour of continued neutrality. The PM was pro-British [or at least willing to attack the Ottomans] but it took until 1917 and the deposition of the king to bring a divided Greece into the allied camp. Which then led to a sizeable force being stuck in Thessaloniki until the last stages of the war. They won't join the CPs because they hate the Turks so much and are very vulnerable to naval power, which between the Italians and French and any Dutch task force in the region the allies are likely to be dominant. Although there might be a bribe in terms of eastern Crete, especially since the PM is from Crete but would the Dutch give it up? Also the Dutch other than Crete and the Balerics don't seem to have any bases in the Med and with Britain in Egypt still the only land front between the western allies and Turkey is the Dutch possession of much of Yemen.
The other neutral power in the Balkans is Romania, which finally went for the allies as they wanted Transylvania but not before mid-1917 and they got quickly stomped by the Germans.
I'm a bit surprised that if the Russians back-stab Japan its for the Kurils rather than Manchuria and Korea, although S Sakhalin might be what their taken as that was something that was Russian before the war? Suspect that the Japanese will be getting back to the Dutch negotiators arguing that they must be able to retain more ground forces and possibly some naval ones as well to defend its interests in the region against further Russian attacks. Britain will be angry as in a very unstable world and with the clear hostility of the Dutch mega-state Japan is its only ally.
I suspect it won't be long before we see the start of a German sub campaign and also the appearance of chemical weapons. Although the Germans have to be more careful about attacking neutral shipping with Britain being in the neutral camp, plus possibly seeking to trade with them to get around the allied blockade. Suspect Britain is watching as closely as it can to pick up information about the nature of modern warfare, especially at sea and wondering what to do.
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Post by stevep on Mar 14, 2019 10:03:38 GMT
London, March 19, 1915Dear Father, It is something that I abhor, but today is a day that I write you while filled with anger. It appears that the Russians have taken the opportunity afforded by our defeating the Japanese and have landed on several islands that the Japanese took in an earlier war. As you will understand, this has enraged everyone. It is a deep violation of the trust that the Japanese have placed in us, and an insult by our so-called ally. I have spoken briefly to the Russian minister, but he denies that there is anything wrong, claiming that the Russians are merely moving forces to islands that are rightfully theirs. The English also are deeply angered, and in the newspapers, I have read that they believe that we were collaborating with the Russians to achieve such treachery. Mr Roelands has been called to the Foreign Office to explain himself, but he didn’t have much to say. I hope that we can soon establish a better working relationship with the Russians so we can put this episode behind ourselves. I am deeply afraid that there may be further consequences coming from this. There also is further bad news. Because it is being said that our armies are stuck and unable to force the matter, Bulgaria has now also declared war on us. This will put further pressure on Serbia, although I can’t tell how that will affect the war other than giving the Austrians more forces to use against the Russians. There now also is talk of the Turks joining the war as well, which will destabilize the whole Near East and create another front to fight on. I am sorry for not having happier things to say. I have made a few more friends, and have established a few more correspondences, but that unfortunately doesn’t compare to the terrible news of having so many more enemies. The only little light that has appeared is that the Greeks are the natural enemy of the Turk, and there have been some initial talks with them. I have asked The Hague for permission to pursue certain options, so they may formally declare their support for our just cause. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Antwerpen, March 24, 1915 Dearest Jakoba, It pains me to read that you take the situation to heart like you do, and I do as well. The actions of the Russians were dishonest, even if fully legal. They saw that an enemy was weak and acted on it. I believe that the Japanese will be forced to accept this, and we should take it as a warning that we cannot fully trust our allies. The Turk and Bulgaria declaring war is a slight setback, but they lack the ability to truly threaten us. From what I have heard, the Turk is weak and Bulgaria might be more capable, but they only threaten a minor ally that we can afford to lose. The main difficulty that I see is that it will be harder to supply the Russians by sea, which means that we will either have to strike at Constantinople or open up the Baltics. The heavy fighting is ongoing. The battlefleet has been withdrawn to a safer distance, with rotating squadrons to act should the Germans attempt anything. The main focus of our attacks is in the south, of which I know little except that we are winning despite heavy losses. I however don’t know if we can fully rely on the generals, given that they have been claiming that they will break through any moment now for some time already. Your mother has decided to become more active, and has become a regentess of a new foundation to care for children who are left alone because of the war. She wishes to ensure that they will be raised in obedience and love to the Lord and the Bible. Together with several other women, she is involved in arranging everything. This is something that fills me with pride and I know that you will also see that this is what your mother is like. She truly has a good heart. Your loving father, Johan Rots
Raunchel
Thinking of a few more points having a closer look.
a) I see that Johan is also considering trying to force the Baltic. That might seem more likely to him as its near the prime Dutch naval bases and might force the German fleet to come out and fight. However its not going to be easy as the narrows can probably be fairly easily be mined and also once a force is in the Baltic it must be maintained there. Also its likely to further anger Britain as it will disrupt trade and its likely to deeply upset the Danes and Swedes who value their neutrality.
b) If those squadrons are at sea, pretty much a semi-close blockade, then their vulnerable both to sudden strikes by the full HSF and also attrition by subs and mines so this frankly sounds like a bad idea to me. There was a very good reason why Britain decided not to perform the traditional close blockade in OTL and while the Dutch bases are a lot closer to Germany this could be costly for the Dutch fleet.
c) Is that the Dutch are attacking in the south i.e. of the TTL Netherlands or that the main attack is being carried by the French in the south of the combined front? I ask because I think the plan was for the two to attack on the flanks, to try and tie up German reserves then have a big attack in the centre or is this now this main attack? If so I suspect Johan is correct to mistrust the general's talk of an impending decisive breakthrough. Especially against a well led and equipped German army defending its homeland. At this point the French were still poorly equipped in terms of artillery and doctrine especially to break defensive lines and Britain was woefully so and it sounds from what's been said like the TTL Dutch will be no better.
Basically as OTL I don't think there is a quick and cheap way of winning a decisive victory, although no doubt both sides will come up with new ideas. However agree with you its going to be a long and very bloody slog.
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Post by stevep on Mar 15, 2019 10:43:03 GMT
Raunchel Unfortunately it appears I was wrong on one thing, the chance of avoiding the Armenian genocide. Reading todays "day in hostory" it mentions the assassination of Talaat_Pasha, who seems to have been the main planner of the murders and apparently was planning such a slaughter for some years beforehand. As such, unless there's a sudden collapse of the Turkey state it sounds like it would be largely unavoidable. 
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Post by raunchel on Apr 8, 2019 10:43:56 GMT
Near Kempen, March 27th, 1915
Sweet sister,
Thank you so much for your letter from the 19th, and also for the package that you sent me. The Scottish drink was most welcome and I have shared it with the whole battalion of which I now find myself in command.
This war isn’t like others. It’s not a war to be fought with the sabre and waving flags, but rather one of artillery and machine guns. I believed that we had received lessons in this at the first German onslaught, but I have now found that it’s not at all true. After our guns fell silent we moved to engage the enemy, but he is a tenacious foe and many fell gloriously.
It must have lasted mere moments but seemed to be an eternity before we were upon the enemy. He was well-secured in his position and delivered lethal fire on us as we advanced. The only way to survive such a hail of fire is to be quick and make contact with the enemy, in the open, death is the only outcome.
We took his lines and bested our enemies. That however was not the whole ordeal. Behind this dug line, there was another. At this time, our good major had already given his life, and as we were preparing to rush the next position, the German artillery opened up. Anyone who was left in the open was torn to pieces by the heavy fire, obliging us to remain in place. There was no way forward, and no way back either.
Naturally, the Germans came to attack us in turn. We managed to hold him back, but afterwards, I was the only officer left and took command of the battalion. We fortunately managed to establish contact with other units next to ours, but it took until the night before we could make contact with our old positions. They brought up food and orders for the next day’s attacks.
Following another barrage, I led my men into a fresh attack and again we carried the enemy position, knowing that it was the full depth of theirs. But it seemed that he hadn’t been idle, and the German had dug another one in the distance. It was then that I managed to contact the brigade to inform them of the remaining strength of the battalion and we were replaced.
Your package arrived just in time for us to celebrate our small victories, the four bottles that you sent were enough to give each man who remained a drink. As you know, it is poor form for an officer to drink with his men, but I felt that they deserved it in recognition of their valour. And besides, there weren’t any more officers to share with. But please, never tell Father about this. He would be even more appalled.
This engagement has made me truly proud to call myself a Dutchman. We have shown our mettle in battle, and not even all the strength of the German army can shatter our will. We gladly sacrifice our blood for God and our beloved country.
I hope that the cowards in The Hague will soon stop their wait and see twaddle and take the step of conscripting the coloureds and bringing them here. We need the men, even if they are of less than perfect character. They still have some of our sacred blood in their veins.
How are things for you in England? I pray that you are in good health and that you will be able to help on the path towards our inevitable victory and to put an end to the unnecessary distractions we are now facing overseas.
Your big brother,
Lieutenant Hendrik Rots, commander 2nd battalion 14th infantry regiment ‘Mechelen’.
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Post by raunchel on Apr 8, 2019 11:07:58 GMT
Thank you! I'm really hoping that I'll be able to write a little more in the near future. Thanks. You wouldn't know how much information you can draw out of most men by little things like feigning ignorance and drawing attention to you being a woman. I guess that it has to do with appealing to their pride or the like, but with a few words, I find that most of them start talking (also about more secret things). But you're right, there isn't much that her father knows about the land-based side of things. And it's not just not being informed, there also is the massive issue of the generals, well, being in the army, and not wanting to admit to any kind of problem to the navy of all people. There indeed won't be major powers giving up in the near future. They all have far too much in the way of pride and reserves to give up yet. The only one that could logically throw in the towel at this point is the USA, but they have their own massive internal issues that make that a lot harder. Austria indeed is vulnerable, but here, they haven't suffered as badly against the Russians, and are closer to putting an end to the Serbians as well. Furthermore, parts of their pre-war army have been preserved here, which makes it a far more capable force. The Dutch main issue is a lack of strategic depth. A solid German offensive that forces a breakthrough could easily see very significant areas lost. But at the same time, the French and Dutch are awfully close to the Ruhr, where the war could also be ended with a successful offensive. The problem however is that serious breakthroughs aren't exactly easy to accomplish at this time, especially not against armies like the German or the French. Italy indeed is being overestimated by everyone. Based on what I read, Italian entry was seen as a disaster by the Germans and Austrians in our history. Only later did they see that Italy wasn't nearly as strong as suspected. Here, the same will apply, especially because they will be facing a more professional Austrian army. And naturally, Johan is very happy that his little girl isn't associating with men. That after all could point to all kinds of awful things But this will become more significant over time, and might even have an effect on world history.
That line in itself nearly made me add a LOL to the Like. Then glad I read your actual update as I had to drastically re-write what I was saying.
Pride, reserves and also the fear of what happens if their opponents win. Germany especially had very dramatic views of how extreme a policy the winners whoever they were, would take to the losers, with the virtual disappearance of either Germany or France. Plus as you say with the Dutch heartland, although they might be able to fight on from their overseas republics and the Ruhr so close to the front there is relatively little room to give ground.
Without France losing so much of its industrial heartland and population it will be significantly better off and might also be able to supply some food for the Netherlands as opposed to the latter having to depend on imports so in that way the allies in the west will be stronger, although as you say the Russians have had a rougher time and the Austrians a distinctly better one. I thought that Turkey had already joined the war and was asking whether a Gallipoli type campaign would be considered . However suspect it won't happen in the near term because with the current fighting near the border and the belief that they might win a quick victory the Netherlands won't have any spare men - although I suppose they might try a naval solution. Bulgaria joining the war almost certainly dooms Serbia very quickly as they have a long and markedly less mountainous common border. I was a bit surprised it happened this soon as I thought they might wait until they survive the current Franco-Dutch offensive, especially if the latter are talking up their chances of success. Also by attacking the Kurils I presume it is, I strongly suspect that Russian concerns aren't high on the Dutch list of importance at the moment, especially if they think they can win on their own.
One possible butterfly, since Enva Pasha can't launch a disastrous winter attack that gets his army slaughtered, is that the Turks may not scapegoat the Armenians although I fear the situation is set up for some sort of slaughter at some stage.
Greece might join the allies but it would be difficult. Depending on your sources the king is either pro-German or strongly in favour of continued neutrality. The PM was pro-British [or at least willing to attack the Ottomans] but it took until 1917 and the deposition of the king to bring a divided Greece into the allied camp. Which then led to a sizeable force being stuck in Thessaloniki until the last stages of the war. They won't join the CPs because they hate the Turks so much and are very vulnerable to naval power, which between the Italians and French and any Dutch task force in the region the allies are likely to be dominant. Although there might be a bribe in terms of eastern Crete, especially since the PM is from Crete but would the Dutch give it up? Also the Dutch other than Crete and the Balerics don't seem to have any bases in the Med and with Britain in Egypt still the only land front between the western allies and Turkey is the Dutch possession of much of Yemen.
The other neutral power in the Balkans is Romania, which finally went for the allies as they wanted Transylvania but not before mid-1917 and they got quickly stomped by the Germans.
I'm a bit surprised that if the Russians back-stab Japan its for the Kurils rather than Manchuria and Korea, although S Sakhalin might be what their taken as that was something that was Russian before the war? Suspect that the Japanese will be getting back to the Dutch negotiators arguing that they must be able to retain more ground forces and possibly some naval ones as well to defend its interests in the region against further Russian attacks. Britain will be angry as in a very unstable world and with the clear hostility of the Dutch mega-state Japan is its only ally.
I suspect it won't be long before we see the start of a German sub campaign and also the appearance of chemical weapons. Although the Germans have to be more careful about attacking neutral shipping with Britain being in the neutral camp, plus possibly seeking to trade with them to get around the allied blockade. Suspect Britain is watching as closely as it can to pick up information about the nature of modern warfare, especially at sea and wondering what to do.
Steve
France indeed is a lot stronger here, but at the same time, they still have some of the same issues that lead to them using and losing massive amounts of men and material. They however don't have to deal with a large part of their country being occupied which removes the need for constant attacks to liberate their sacred soil. Of course, such fighting is taking place to the south, but it's not nearly as bad as in Northern France and it also isn't horrifyingly close to Paris. Many of the Dutch cities however are within reach of the Germans if they manage to force a breakthrough. The Russians indeed are attacking the Kurils and are also making some movements to restore their control over parts of China and Korea. Those however are complicated by the presence of Dutch forces. And, of course, some Dutch politicians are feeling very awkward at not having tried landings themselves to prevent Russia from doing something like this. OTL Russia wasn't presented with opportunities like this, but it seemed to me that Nicky and a few of his advisers might very well try, if only to shore up morale after the beatings they've taken in the West. Greece will indeed be hard to get into the war on either side. They'll never support the Central Powers because Turkey is with them, but on the other hand, the Dutch having half of Crete (where the PM is from) is a massive complication as well. The Dutch would rather not give up too many of their bases, they feel like they really need them to control the Med. Of course, they can lock down Suez from Puntland and Yemen, but still. They really need the ability to threaten Italy and Southern France to maintain their position (at least, that's how some of the more imperialist politicians see it). And I like to think that I'm succeeding in making this an actual world war, with more than just minor skirmishes on many continents (like the Americas and Asia). London, March 19, 1915Dear Father, It is something that I abhor, but today is a day that I write you while filled with anger. It appears that the Russians have taken the opportunity afforded by our defeating the Japanese and have landed on several islands that the Japanese took in an earlier war. As you will understand, this has enraged everyone. It is a deep violation of the trust that the Japanese have placed in us, and an insult by our so-called ally. I have spoken briefly to the Russian minister, but he denies that there is anything wrong, claiming that the Russians are merely moving forces to islands that are rightfully theirs. The English also are deeply angered, and in the newspapers, I have read that they believe that we were collaborating with the Russians to achieve such treachery. Mr Roelands has been called to the Foreign Office to explain himself, but he didn’t have much to say. I hope that we can soon establish a better working relationship with the Russians so we can put this episode behind ourselves. I am deeply afraid that there may be further consequences coming from this. There also is further bad news. Because it is being said that our armies are stuck and unable to force the matter, Bulgaria has now also declared war on us. This will put further pressure on Serbia, although I can’t tell how that will affect the war other than giving the Austrians more forces to use against the Russians. There now also is talk of the Turks joining the war as well, which will destabilize the whole Near East and create another front to fight on. I am sorry for not having happier things to say. I have made a few more friends, and have established a few more correspondences, but that unfortunately doesn’t compare to the terrible news of having so many more enemies. The only little light that has appeared is that the Greeks are the natural enemy of the Turk, and there have been some initial talks with them. I have asked The Hague for permission to pursue certain options, so they may formally declare their support for our just cause. Your faithful daughter, Jakoba Antwerpen, March 24, 1915 Dearest Jakoba, It pains me to read that you take the situation to heart like you do, and I do as well. The actions of the Russians were dishonest, even if fully legal. They saw that an enemy was weak and acted on it. I believe that the Japanese will be forced to accept this, and we should take it as a warning that we cannot fully trust our allies. The Turk and Bulgaria declaring war is a slight setback, but they lack the ability to truly threaten us. From what I have heard, the Turk is weak and Bulgaria might be more capable, but they only threaten a minor ally that we can afford to lose. The main difficulty that I see is that it will be harder to supply the Russians by sea, which means that we will either have to strike at Constantinople or open up the Baltics. The heavy fighting is ongoing. The battlefleet has been withdrawn to a safer distance, with rotating squadrons to act should the Germans attempt anything. The main focus of our attacks is in the south, of which I know little except that we are winning despite heavy losses. I however don’t know if we can fully rely on the generals, given that they have been claiming that they will break through any moment now for some time already. Your mother has decided to become more active, and has become a regentess of a new foundation to care for children who are left alone because of the war. She wishes to ensure that they will be raised in obedience and love to the Lord and the Bible. Together with several other women, she is involved in arranging everything. This is something that fills me with pride and I know that you will also see that this is what your mother is like. She truly has a good heart. Your loving father, Johan Rots
Raunchel
Thinking of a few more points having a closer look.
a) I see that Johan is also considering trying to force the Baltic. That might seem more likely to him as its near the prime Dutch naval bases and might force the German fleet to come out and fight. However its not going to be easy as the narrows can probably be fairly easily be mined and also once a force is in the Baltic it must be maintained there. Also its likely to further anger Britain as it will disrupt trade and its likely to deeply upset the Danes and Swedes who value their neutrality.
b) If those squadrons are at sea, pretty much a semi-close blockade, then their vulnerable both to sudden strikes by the full HSF and also attrition by subs and mines so this frankly sounds like a bad idea to me. There was a very good reason why Britain decided not to perform the traditional close blockade in OTL and while the Dutch bases are a lot closer to Germany this could be costly for the Dutch fleet.
c) Is that the Dutch are attacking in the south i.e. of the TTL Netherlands or that the main attack is being carried by the French in the south of the combined front? I ask because I think the plan was for the two to attack on the flanks, to try and tie up German reserves then have a big attack in the centre or is this now this main attack? If so I suspect Johan is correct to mistrust the general's talk of an impending decisive breakthrough. Especially against a well led and equipped German army defending its homeland. At this point the French were still poorly equipped in terms of artillery and doctrine especially to break defensive lines and Britain was woefully so and it sounds from what's been said like the TTL Dutch will be no better.
Basically as OTL I don't think there is a quick and cheap way of winning a decisive victory, although no doubt both sides will come up with new ideas. However agree with you its going to be a long and very bloody slog.
Steve
Yes, the Baltics plan has lots and lots of issues. Furthermore, forcing the Sound means exposing the Dutch fleet, also to the British who will know that the Dutch will have to come back through it and force an engagement with an already battered fleet. The Dutch are willing to endure bloody naval campaigns, but they won't risk the battlefleet for anything short of total victory. It's a bit like with the Grand Fleet, if it's lost, the war is lost. The battle squadrons are at a greater distance, with light units basically enforcing the blockade en forming a screen. This is leading to some engagements, but the Germans are wary because Willie would rather not lose his fleet to gambles (the same issue their suffered OTL). The subs however are quite a problem. There are several attacks taking place. The first was in the North of the Netherlands, going deeper into East Frisia and basically threatening Wilhelmshafen and the like. The French followed with an offensive in France, seemingly aimed at driving back the Germans. After those two, the Dutch and French launched another attack around Venlo, where Hendrik has been part of one of the first assaults. Here, the Dutch are really learning what modern trench warfare means and horrendous casualties are being suffered for not all that much ground. The Germans are also suffering horribly of course, but they have amazing logistics so close to cities like Duisburg and Düsseldorf. Raunchel Unfortunately it appears I was wrong on one thing, the chance of avoiding the Armenian genocide. Reading todays "day in hostory" it mentions the assassination of Talaat_Pasha, who seems to have been the main planner of the murders and apparently was planning such a slaughter for some years beforehand. As such, unless there's a sudden collapse of the Turkey state it sounds like it would be largely unavoidable.
Steve
That really is one of the more unfortunate things. Of course, there are plenty of massacres and the like taking place, but the Armenian Genocide is horrible even by the standards of the time. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 8, 2019 15:23:45 GMT
Near Kempen, March 27th, 1915
Sweet sister, Thank you so much for your letter from the 19th, and also for the package that you sent me. The Scottish drink was most welcome and I have shared it with the whole battalion of which I now find myself in command. This war isn’t like others. It’s not a war to be fought with the sabre and waving flags, but rather one of artillery and machine guns. I believed that we had received lessons in this at the first German onslaught, but I have now found that it’s not at all true. After our guns fell silent we moved to engage the enemy, but he is a tenacious foe and many fell gloriously. It must have lasted mere moments but seemed to be an eternity before we were upon the enemy. He was well-secured in his position and delivered lethal fire on us as we advanced. The only way to survive such a hail of fire is to be quick and make contact with the enemy, in the open, death is the only outcome. We took his lines and bested our enemies. That however was not the whole ordeal. Behind this dug line, there was another. At this time, our good major had already given his life, and as we were preparing to rush the next position, the German artillery opened up. Anyone who was left in the open was torn to pieces by the heavy fire, obliging us to remain in place. There was no way forward, and no way back either. Naturally, the Germans came to attack us in turn. We managed to hold him back, but afterwards, I was the only officer left and took command of the battalion. We fortunately managed to establish contact with other units next to ours, but it took until the night before we could make contact with our old positions. They brought up food and orders for the next day’s attacks. Following another barrage, I led my men into a fresh attack and again we carried the enemy position, knowing that it was the full depth of theirs. But it seemed that he hadn’t been idle, and the German had dug another one in the distance. It was then that I managed to contact the brigade to inform them of the remaining strength of the battalion and we were replaced. Your package arrived just in time for us to celebrate our small victories, the four bottles that you sent were enough to give each man who remained a drink. As you know, it is poor form for an officer to drink with his men, but I felt that they deserved it in recognition of their valour. And besides, there weren’t any more officers to share with. But please, never tell Father about this. He would be even more appalled. This engagement has made me truly proud to call myself a Dutchman. We have shown our mettle in battle, and not even all the strength of the German army can shatter our will. We gladly sacrifice our blood for God and our beloved country. I hope that the cowards in The Hague will soon stop their wait and see twaddle and take the step of conscripting the coloureds and bringing them here. We need the men, even if they are of less than perfect character. They still have some of our sacred blood in their veins. How are things for you in England? I pray that you are in good health and that you will be able to help on the path towards our inevitable victory and to put an end to the unnecessary distractions we are now facing overseas. Your big brother, Lieutenant Hendrik Rots, commander 2nd battalion 14th infantry regiment ‘Mechelen’.
Raunchel
Well Henrick sounds like a true chip off the old block with the talk of glorious death. His attitude might change as the bloodshed continues, assuming of course he survives. If his description of the war the Dutch as used to, cavalry charges and the like their likely to suffer badly even compared to the other powers because their probably not really prepared in terms of machine guns, artillery, stockpiles of supplies etc or the doctrine to co-ordinate all those new tools, which everybody is having to work out how to do on the fly.
Defensive line, outside pre-war fortifications, were still pretty rudimentary at this point but fairly early on in the war the Germans especially got used to measuring the distance from their own artillery to their front lines so that if the latter was lost - which was always fairly common - they could pound the enemy before they could get settled in. Often followed by counter-attacks although that doesn't seem to have happened here but possibly the Germans are trying to make sure they have suitable reserves for actions elsewhere or are that seriously pressed.
Not sure how the emphasis on the distance between officers and other ranks compared with other armies at the time. The British army had a notorious social divide but in other countries may well have been less. However shows how badly the battalion suffered if four bottles are enough for a drink for every survivor still in the line.
Of course the problem with recruiting coloureds and expecting them to fight alongside the 'Dutch' will mean they will want more respect and equality in return, which could be a problem post-war. Or even during it of they start thinking their being used as expendable cannon fodder to save 'Dutch' lives for battles that could be won.
Steve
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