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Post by mullauna on Aug 7, 2018 23:03:57 GMT
The territory of the German Empire, metropolitan and colonial, is ISOT'd from midnight on June 1st, 1913 to midnight on June 1st 2018.
Donald Trump vs. Wilhelm II?
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 7, 2018 23:11:30 GMT
The territory of the German Empire, metropolitan and colonial, is ISOT'd from midnight on June 1st, 1913 to midnight on June 1st 2018. Donald Trump vs. Wilhelm II? Trump wouldn't be interested in fighting Germany if he could strike a deal With them that would Ensure America benefitted from it. Wilhelm II might (Steffen is certainly going to correct me on this) but I am not sure. |
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Post by mullauna on Aug 8, 2018 1:56:43 GMT
Namibia and mainland Tanzania is gone, so is much of Papua New Guinea. Bits of China have been replaced by German concessions.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2018 3:18:21 GMT
The territory of the German Empire, metropolitan and colonial, is ISOT'd from midnight on June 1st, 1913 to midnight on June 1st 2018. Donald Trump vs. Wilhelm II? I think it will be more Wilhelm II versus a Europe which just lost its largest economy. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 8, 2018 11:57:58 GMT
The territory of the German Empire, metropolitan and colonial, is ISOT'd from midnight on June 1st, 1913 to midnight on June 1st 2018. Donald Trump vs. Wilhelm II? I think it will be more Wilhelm II versus a Europe which just lost its largest economy. True. However, it'll also be a Europe--as well as rest of the world--over 100 years more advanced than Germany. The downtimers..can't exactly compete against that. Imagine the good Kaiser's surprise at the existence of the EU, before finding out what else has transpired since 1913. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2018 13:51:45 GMT
I think it will be more Wilhelm II versus a Europe which just lost its largest economy. True. However, it'll also be a Europe--as well as rest of the world--over 100 years more advanced than Germany. The downtimers..can't exactly compete against that. Imagine the good Kaiser's surprise at the existence of the EU, before finding out what else has transpired since 1913. Wonder how the Kaiser will react seeing his body who lays in Huis Doorn in the Netherlands. At least a certain corporal is not brought back along, but certain other persons who are younger might feel a little bit nervous when they find out what their older selfs have done. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 8, 2018 14:38:23 GMT
Russia's economy is in for a flux. 2018 Germany imports huge quantities of natural gas from Gazprom (a Russian state-owned energy company) alone.
As far as uplifting the downtimers, perhaps once the world gets its shit together it'll offer technology if the Germans promise to reform. While not nearly the monster that Hitler or the Nazis were, Ol' Willy was still something of an autocrat, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2018 14:40:21 GMT
Russia's economy is in for a flux. 2018 Germany imports huge quantities of natural gas from Gazprom (a Russian state-owned energy company) alone. If i remember correctly, does Germany 1913 not cover some parts of other countries like Poland. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 8, 2018 15:00:12 GMT
Russia's economy is in for a flux. 2018 Germany imports huge quantities of natural gas from Gazprom (a Russian state-owned energy company) alone. If i remember correctly, does Germany 1913 not cover some parts of other countries like Poland.
It had Alsace-Lorraine [France] a couple of small sections that are now parts of Belgium, a chunk of southern Denmark and about half, if not more, of modern Poland. [The old east and west Prussia, eastern Pomerania, Posen and Silesia. Plus the bit of E Prussia that is now the Kallingrad enclave of Russia.
Also in terms of colonies it has some pockets in China - which won't last long - part of New Guinea and a lot of islands that are now under US control or were transferred to Britain/Australia/New Zealand and I think are largely independent and 4 areas in Africa.
I think we had a very similar thread a few months back on this issue?
Its going to cause a huge mess in Europe as the continent [and the EU] has lost its most important economic state and also see a number of other lose territory while trade and communication links are going to be badly disrupted while a lot of people will have lost friends, relative and assets. Instead it now has a large but seriously backward state that by 2018 terms is highly militaristic and autocratic and going to have a hell of a culture shock. There may be military action by people on either side, although Imperial Germany will suffer badly if it starts something but a shattered Poland could also struggle to some degree.
For the colonies not sure what will happen with those in the Pacific. Those in Africa are almost certain to be 'liberated' by neighbouring states as a colonial power, especially as weak in modern terms as this one, is likely to be unacceptable to African opinion and opposed by other groups around the world. This could also see an attempt to take some officials from SW Africa especially to court for war crimes and crimes against humanity. S Africa is likely to take over SW Africa/Namibia and Nigeria is the most likely candicate concerning the Cameroon but not sure what would happen with Togo or the former German E Africa, which not only included mainland Tanzania but also IIRC Rwanda and Burundi.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2018 15:14:59 GMT
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Post by stevep on Aug 8, 2018 15:18:49 GMT
Ah it might have been the latter although I was pretty certain there was one about the entire pre-1914 German empire. Possibly remembering wrongly or thinking of something that was on another site. Anyway, no problem. Just that it range a bell.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2018 15:21:31 GMT
Ah it might have been the latter although I was pretty certain there was one about the entire pre-1914 German empire. Possibly remembering wrongly or thinking of something that was on another site. Anyway, no problem. Just that it range a bell.
Well lets hope we can keep it on track this time. One thing i will like is all those battleships of the High Seas Fleet that are now back, okay they are outdated, but battleship lovers will go grazy about seeing them in the flesh. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 8, 2018 15:30:33 GMT
Ah it might have been the latter although I was pretty certain there was one about the entire pre-1914 German empire. Possibly remembering wrongly or thinking of something that was on another site. Anyway, no problem. Just that it range a bell.
Well lets hope we can keep it on track this time. One thing i will like is all those battleships of the High Seas Fleet that are now back, okay they are outdated, but battleship lovers will go grazy about seeing them in the flesh.
Very true but also there will be a fair number of modern Germans who happened to be out of the country at the time as well as of down-time non-Germans who for whatever reasons where in German at the date in 1913. The former could include assorted items of modern German military equipment, although how effectively it could be supported by 1913 German is going to be an issue.
Could be interesting for the 2018 German diplomatic corp scattered around the world interacting with 1913 Berlin. Or for the latter getting their heads around ideas such as the EU, NATO and the UNO to name just a few.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 8, 2018 15:33:32 GMT
Well lets hope we can keep it on track this time. One thing i will like is all those battleships of the High Seas Fleet that are now back, okay they are outdated, but battleship lovers will go grazy about seeing them in the flesh. Very true but also there will be a fair number of modern Germans who happened to be out of the country at the time as well as of down-time non-Germans who for whatever reasons where in German at the date in 1913. The former could include assorted items of modern German military equipment, although how effectively it could be supported by 1913 German is going to be an issue.
Could be interesting for the 2018 German diplomatic corp scattered around the world interacting with 1913 Berlin. Or for the latter getting their heads around ideas such as the EU, NATO and the UNO to name just a few.
Yes Germany 1913 is going to be a issue but doubt NATO, UN ore the EU will go do a regime change because with all the flaws the German Empire had, in 1913 it is just a country who had at that time done nothing wrong and also a victim as it did not ask to be transported to 2018. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 8, 2018 21:26:07 GMT
Very true but also there will be a fair number of modern Germans who happened to be out of the country at the time as well as of down-time non-Germans who for whatever reasons where in German at the date in 1913. The former could include assorted items of modern German military equipment, although how effectively it could be supported by 1913 German is going to be an issue.
Could be interesting for the 2018 German diplomatic corp scattered around the world interacting with 1913 Berlin. Or for the latter getting their heads around ideas such as the EU, NATO and the UNO to name just a few.
Yes Germany 1913 is going to be a issue but doubt NATO, UN ore the EU will go do a regime change because with all the flaws the German Empire had, in 1913 it is just a country who had at that time done nothing wrong and also a victim as it did not ask to be transported to 2018.
No I don't expect they will seek a regime change, by force anyway, at least unless the German leadership does something stupid. Although one of the groups who have lost territory, most likely the Poles because they have lost by far the most, could do something rash as well, which would complicate matters.
However I was thinking of the chaos that would result from Germany appearing and disrupting so much of European and to a lesser degree the world's economic and political interactions. You might end up with a crash as bad as 2008, at least in Europe as well as a lot of political chaos.
Imperial Germany will pose problems for the modern world and especially the EU as they have to decide how to interact with it. It blows a huge hole in the idea of open borders and will clash with much of the rules and legal codes of the EU. This will make Britexit and the meltdown in relations with assorted with a number of eastern European powers over border control look like a calm mill-pool compared to a hurricane.
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