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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 17, 2018 21:45:42 GMT
Venezuela is a wildcard. I can see an uprising of sufficient magnitude eventually happening, perhaps supported by the CIA, that leads to Maduro's overthrowing and the establishing of a stable, democratic government. However, time can only tell. Indeed, nations like Nigeria may benefit from an embargo. However, one must remember these Arab nations' main source of income is from oil, and Western countries their principal buyers. So it would be an economic downturn for them, at least on the long run. That, and these countries are really dependent on certain imports. One of the most important in a war is for military equipment, especially things like ordnance and the like. Almost all of it is bought in the west. Saudi Arabia cannot last long in a coalition. They'll put the plug more sooner than later. |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 18, 2018 12:21:39 GMT
NUKES FLYING EVERYWHERE
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Post by lordroel on Apr 18, 2018 13:37:46 GMT
Wich country nukes and why. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 18, 2018 15:24:14 GMT
Wich country nukes and why. As far as I know the only Muslim country with nukes is Pakistan, although Iran may not be far from the capacity. However building nukes are one thing. Getting then delivered in a shooting war could be more difficult. Also one other factor that could reduce Muslim willingness to start a nuclear exchange. Jerusalem may be the most important religious centre for Jews and Christians but its also the 3rd most important such site for Muslims so strongly Muslim regimes could have concerns about nuclear attacks on/near it and Israel is a small country. Not to mention that if nukes started flying I could see Israel targetting religious as well as military and population centres if it came to a Samson in the temple scenario where the Israelis think their going down anyway. Of course if Isreal was clearly losing and threatened with the destruction of its state and people or if large scale chemical weapons were used against it then Israel might well initiate at least a limited nuclear exchange, which is another consideration. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 18, 2018 15:27:44 GMT
Of course if Isreal was clearly losing and threatened with the destruction of its state and people or if large scale chemical weapons were used against it then Israel might well initiate at least a limited nuclear exchange, which is another consideration. A the Samson Option |
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Post by stevep on Apr 18, 2018 15:34:35 GMT
Of course if Isreal was clearly losing and threatened with the destruction of its state and people or if large scale chemical weapons were used against it then Israel might well initiate at least a limited nuclear exchange, which is another consideration. A the Samson Option I read that article and the bit that surprised [and worried] me was "By 2002 it was estimated that the number had increased to between 75 and 200 thermonuclear weapons, each in the multiple-megaton range" If accurate then they have no tactical nukes to have a limited effect, targeted at say an invading army and sending a controlled message to their attackers - thus far and no further. It sounds like its more if they use them its all-out with massive city killers. [Although according to one theory you only need to hit one target in Egypt to devastate that country- if you hit the Aswan Dam.] |
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Post by jasonsnow on Apr 18, 2018 17:53:36 GMT
I read that article and the bit that surprised [and worried] me was "By 2002 it was estimated that the number had increased to between 75 and 200 thermonuclear weapons, each in the multiple-megaton range" If accurate then they have no tactical nukes to have a limited effect, targeted at say an invading army and sending a controlled message to their attackers - thus far and no further. It sounds like its more if they use them its all-out with massive city killers. [Although according to one theory you only need to hit one target in Egypt to devastate that country- if you hit the Aswan Dam.] If it's not nukes then its something else. Chemical weapons, missiles. You know, the usual. |
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Post by Middlesex_Toffeeman on Feb 21, 2019 7:42:22 GMT
Pretty simple - Jerusalem/Tel Aviv break out the nukes and it all goes to Hell in a handcart.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 21, 2019 11:09:06 GMT
Pretty simple - Jerusalem/Tel Aviv break out the nukes and it all goes to Hell in a handcart. I touched that was always their last option not their first. |
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Post by James G on Feb 21, 2019 11:14:05 GMT
Pretty simple - Jerusalem/Tel Aviv break out the nukes and it all goes to Hell in a handcart. I touched that was always their last option not their first. No one knows. It is all speculation. Officially Israel has no such weapons... |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 21, 2019 11:17:17 GMT
I touched that was always their last option not their first. No one knows. It is all speculation. Officially Israel has no such weapons... But yet everybody knows about the nukes that do not exist. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 21, 2019 15:59:36 GMT
I touched that was always their last option not their first. No one knows. It is all speculation. Officially Israel has no such weapons...
I think the standard argument is that Israel has no nuclear weapons because their not functional. At least not until that final screw is tightened up.  |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 21, 2019 16:04:06 GMT
No one knows. It is all speculation. Officially Israel has no such weapons... I think the standard argument is that Israel has no nuclear weapons because their not functional. At least not until that final screw is tightened up. Some say that the 4 active Dolphin-class submarines are believed to be nuclear armed, offering Israel a sea-based, second strike capability. |
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Post by Zyobot on Feb 21, 2019 22:29:05 GMT
Somehow, I fear that a Middle Eastern conflict on this scale may escalate into World War Three. Of course, whether I'm right or not depends on lots of additional factors.
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Post by James G on Feb 21, 2019 22:32:11 GMT
Has anyone ever read 'What if Israel lost'?
It deals with Israel being defeated by an Arab coalition in the 70s. Israel is dismantled, raped and its remaining people scattered worldwide. It is an unpleasant story though has no Sampson Option.
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