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Post by lordroel on Apr 29, 2017 11:06:17 GMT
I quite agree that it's a stretch to make a woman VP in 1952 and President in 1960. So I picked the only woman I know of from the era who could possibly have pulled it off. Anyhow, I've extended the timeline a bit. Original, with pictures here: ifnicity.blogspot.com/2017/04/clare-boothe-luce.htmlDespite my opinion that in 1952 she would never become VP, a good timeline you made.
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Post by baloo on May 3, 2017 23:38:42 GMT
Thanks. And I've added a bit: Determined to win this time, the Democrats early on start pushing Senator Pat Moynihan of New York as their favored candidate, who, before entering the Senate, had served in both the Byrd and Schmitt administrations. He easily won primaries over his main challengers, Dick Gephardt of Missouri and Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts, and was nominated by acclamation at the Democratic convention in San Francisco. His choice for Vice President, Dale Bumpers of Arkansas, was also nominated by acclamation. They are easily elected over Armstrong and Sununu. Despite widespread discontent over the war in Iran, Moynihan/Bumpers are handily reelected over the Repulican ticket of John Sununu and Susan Molinari in 1992. In 1996, pledging to continue President Moynihan's policies, Dale Bumpers is nominated for President by the Democrats. He selects Bill Bradley, Senator from New Jersey, as his running mate. They have high hopes to ride the crest of Moynihan's popularity and extend the Democratic hold on the White House for at least four more years. The Republicans undergo a highly competitive series of primaries, pitting Susan Molinari, Donald Rumsfeld, Phil Gramm, Elizabeth Dole, and Pat Buchanan against one another. They end up with a Dole/Rumsfeld ticket that narrowly goes down to defeat against the Democrats. All this, plus pictures, at ifnicity.blogspot.com/2017/04/clare-boothe-luce.html
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Post by lordroel on May 7, 2017 9:04:11 GMT
Thanks. And I've added a bit: Determined to win this time, the Democrats early on start pushing Senator Pat Moynihan of New York as their favored candidate, who, before entering the Senate, had served in both the Byrd and Schmitt administrations. He easily won primaries over his main challengers, Dick Gephardt of Missouri and Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts, and was nominated by acclamation at the Democratic convention in San Francisco. His choice for Vice President, Dale Bumpers of Arkansas, was also nominated by acclamation. They are easily elected over Armstrong and Sununu. Despite widespread discontent over the war in Iran, Moynihan/Bumpers are handily reelected over the Repulican ticket of John Sununu and Susan Molinari in 1992. In 1996, pledging to continue President Moynihan's policies, Dale Bumpers is nominated for President by the Democrats. He selects Bill Bradley, Senator from New Jersey, as his running mate. They have high hopes to ride the crest of Moynihan's popularity and extend the Democratic hold on the White House for at least four more years. The Republicans undergo a highly competitive series of primaries, pitting Susan Molinari, Donald Rumsfeld, Phil Gramm, Elizabeth Dole, and Pat Buchanan against one another. They end up with a Dole/Rumsfeld ticket that narrowly goes down to defeat against the Democrats. All this, plus pictures, at ifnicity.blogspot.com/2017/04/clare-boothe-luce.htmlSo in your universe it seem we have a emperor on the throne of Vietnam.
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Post by baloo on May 8, 2017 21:32:57 GMT
So in your universe it seem we have a emperor on the throne of Vietnam.
Yes, doesn't it? Sounds weird to our ears, but why not?
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Post by lordroel on May 9, 2017 3:01:27 GMT
So in your universe it seem we have a emperor on the throne of Vietnam. Yes, doesn't it? Sounds weird to our ears, but why not? No it does not sound weird.
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Post by baloo on May 11, 2017 11:55:41 GMT
"Weird" may be the wrong word. I mean it in the sense that "King of Spain" sounded odd for the first few years after he was put on the throne. Maybe I mean "archaic."
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Post by lordroel on May 11, 2017 14:49:43 GMT
"Weird" may be the wrong word. I mean it in the sense that "King of Spain" sounded odd for the first few years after he was put on the throne. Maybe I mean "archaic." What do you mean with the "King of Spain" sounded odd for the first few years.
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Post by stevep on May 11, 2017 15:02:12 GMT
"Weird" may be the wrong word. I mean it in the sense that "King of Spain" sounded odd for the first few years after he was put on the throne. Maybe I mean "archaic." What do you mean with the "King of Spain" sounded odd for the first few years. I presume that baloo means that if you grew up thinking of Spain being Franco's fascist dictatorship it seems a bit odd when its a democractic monarchy. I remember a similar thing after 1990 when listening to the news and it started with "the Prime Minister ..." and I was immediately thinking "what's she doing now" before remembering Thatcher had gone and Major was now in power. And that was with only 11 years under the maggot!
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Post by lordroel on May 11, 2017 15:21:32 GMT
What do you mean with the "King of Spain" sounded odd for the first few years. I presume that baloo means that if you grew up thinking of Spain being Franco's fascist dictatorship it seems a bit odd when its a democractic monarchy. I remember a similar thing after 1990 when listening to the news and it started with "the Prime Minister ..." and I was immediately thinking "what's she doing now" before remembering Thatcher had gone and Major was now in power. And that was with only 11 years under the maggot! Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by baloo on May 12, 2017 0:04:30 GMT
I welcome anybody to add ideas that make Luce a likely VP at that time. Failing that, a more plausible woman candidate.
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Post by baloo on May 12, 2017 0:07:36 GMT
I presume that baloo means that if you grew up thinking of Spain being Franco's fascist dictatorship it seems a bit odd when its a democractic monarchy. I remember a similar thing after 1990 when listening to the news and it started with "the Prime Minister ..." and I was immediately thinking "what's she doing now" before remembering Thatcher had gone and Major was now in power. And that was with only 11 years under the maggot! Thanks for the explanation. Quite right. And more generally, "King of Spain" leads me to think of past centuries, so the term feels almost anachronistic.
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Post by baloo on May 12, 2017 0:08:18 GMT
It's like waking up in California and thinking about Jerry Brown being Gov.
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Post by lordroel on May 13, 2017 3:55:05 GMT
It's like waking up in California and thinking about Jerry Brown being Gov. Ore Donald Trump being president i would guess.
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Post by baloo on May 13, 2017 10:42:32 GMT
Not in the same way. I'm referring to the fact that JB was Cal Gov once before, decades ago.
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Post by lordroel on May 13, 2017 10:49:07 GMT
Not in the same way. I'm referring to the fact that JB was Cal Gov once before, decades ago. A, okay.
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