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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 17:14:33 GMT
Iran would support the Kurd's while Turkey as always will fight the Kurd's, nice mix up already. What about Syria, though? Syria is already a none major communist ally of the Soviet Union. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 17:19:00 GMT
What about Syria, though? Syria is already a none major communist ally of the Soviet Union. I meant in regards to the Kurds. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 17:46:09 GMT
Syria is already a none major communist ally of the Soviet Union. I meant in regards to the Kurds. I think they also will fight the Kurds as they want a part of Syria for their independent country they are fighting fore. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 24, 2016 17:16:48 GMT
I meant in regards to the Kurds. I think they also will fight the Kurds as they want a part of Syria for their independent country they are fighting fore. I see the Soviet Union supporting the Iraqis against the Kurds. Their internationalism was not tempered by the need for order (see the fate of its various minorities in the 20s). |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 7:31:16 GMT
I think they also will fight the Kurds as they want a part of Syria for their independent country they are fighting fore. I see the Soviet Union supporting the Iraqis against the Kurds. Their internationalism was not tempered by the need for order (see the fate of its various minorities in the 20s). Completely agreed. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 8:12:36 GMT
I see the Soviet Union supporting the Iraqis against the Kurds. Their internationalism was not tempered by the need for order (see the fate of its various minorities in the 20s). Completely agreed. Then i think Iran and the United states would support the Kurds, only the Turks would not like that but they will need the backing of the United States so they will complain, crush the Kurd's in their own country but keep silent about Iran and the United states backing the Kurd's in Iraq. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 2, 2016 14:00:12 GMT
Then i think Iran and the United states would support the Kurds, only the Turks would not like that but they will need the backing of the United States so they will complain, crush the Kurd's in their own country but keep silent about Iran and the United states backing the Kurd's in Iraq. I think they might try and support the Iraqi Kurds but also turn a blind eye to Turkish and Iranian treatment of their own, markedly larger Kurdish minorities. Because the Kurds are spread over several states none of those states, nor their backers, which include both super-powers really want a Kurdish state anywhere in the region. Which is the historical problem the Kurds have faced during the last century or so. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 14:09:39 GMT
Then i think Iran and the United states would support the Kurds, only the Turks would not like that but they will need the backing of the United States so they will complain, crush the Kurd's in their own country but keep silent about Iran and the United states backing the Kurd's in Iraq. I think they might try and support the Iraqi Kurds but also turn a blind eye to Turkish and Iranian treatment of their own, markedly larger Kurdish minorities. Because the Kurds are spread over several states none of those states, nor their backers, which include both super-powers really want a Kurdish state anywhere in the region. Which is the historical problem the Kurds have faced during the last century or so. Poor Kurd's, even in this universe they cannot get a break. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 2, 2016 19:37:12 GMT
I think they might try and support the Iraqi Kurds but also turn a blind eye to Turkish and Iranian treatment of their own, markedly larger Kurdish minorities. Because the Kurds are spread over several states none of those states, nor their backers, which include both super-powers really want a Kurdish state anywhere in the region. Which is the historical problem the Kurds have faced during the last century or so. Poor Kurd's, even in this universe they cannot get a break. Unfortunately true. Being divided among several states, as what happened with Sykes and Picot, can do that. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 5, 2016 5:00:49 GMT
Poor Kurd's, even in this universe they cannot get a break. Unfortunately true. Being divided among several states, as what happened with Sykes and Picot, can do that. Yeah--as I might have previously said somewhere here, the current position of the Kurds is similar to the position that the Poles were in before the start of World War I. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 5, 2016 13:53:28 GMT
Unfortunately true. Being divided among several states, as what happened with Sykes and Picot, can do that. Yeah--as I might have previously said somewhere here, the current position of the Kurds is similar to the position that the Poles were in before the start of World War I. That's an interesting analogy - I can see the resemblance. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 5, 2016 14:04:51 GMT
Yeah--as I might have previously said somewhere here, the current position of the Kurds is similar to the position that the Poles were in before the start of World War I. That's an interesting analogy - I can see the resemblance. As long as Turkey does not want the Kurd's to have a place of their own, as long as the United States does not want to lose Turkey as a vital ally of theirs, the Kurd's will remain in the twilight zone. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 5, 2016 14:05:29 GMT
That's an interesting analogy - I can see the resemblance. As long as Turkey does not want the Kurd's to have a place of their own, as long as the United States does not want to lose Turkey as a vital ally of theirs, the Kurd's will remain in the twilight zone. Unfortunately likely. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 6, 2016 5:57:08 GMT
Yeah--as I might have previously said somewhere here, the current position of the Kurds is similar to the position that the Poles were in before the start of World War I. That's an interesting analogy - I can see the resemblance. Yep--after all, before the start of World War I, there was no independent Poland and the ethnic Polish-majority areas were divided among (between) Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 6, 2016 16:51:08 GMT
That's an interesting analogy - I can see the resemblance. Yep--after all, before the start of World War I, there was no independent Poland and the ethnic Polish-majority areas were divided among (between) Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia. So do you believe there will eventually be a greater Kurdistan? |
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