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Post by spanishspy on Jul 2, 2016 23:23:25 GMT
I doubt it. The Soviet Union was well on its way to reform, and the coup ruined such a possibility. Completely agreed. After all, no coup = no Ukrainian secession from the Soviet Union = no collapse of the Soviet Union. They'd lose some of the smaller Republics and possibly grant Republic status to some of the Autonomous Republics, but I don't see why the Soviet Union couldn't survive until the new millennium. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 3, 2016 1:55:46 GMT
Completely agreed. After all, no coup = no Ukrainian secession from the Soviet Union = no collapse of the Soviet Union. 1. They'd lose some of the smaller Republics 2. and possibly grant Republic status to some of the Autonomous Republics, 3. but I don't see why the Soviet Union couldn't survive until the new millennium. 1. Completely agreed. 2. Would the Russian SFSR actually agree to this, though? After all, even if the Soviet Union survives for the time being, the Russian SFSR's leaders and government officials will very likely be aware of the possibility that the Soviet Union could collapse at some future point in time. 3. Completely agreed. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 3, 2016 19:25:24 GMT
1. They'd lose some of the smaller Republics 2. and possibly grant Republic status to some of the Autonomous Republics, 3. but I don't see why the Soviet Union couldn't survive until the new millennium. 1. Completely agreed. 2. Would the Russian SFSR actually agree to this, though? After all, even if the Soviet Union survives for the time being, the Russian SFSR's leaders and government officials will very likely be aware of the possibility that the Soviet Union could collapse at some future point in time. 3. Completely agreed. That's a good point; I'm not knowledgeable enough about the Russian SFSR to say anything for sure, but the Supreme Soviet could very well put pressure on it. And it would not just be in Russia; the same could happen in Crimea, in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nakhichevan, and Qaraqalpaqstan, to name a few. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 3, 2016 22:17:14 GMT
1. Completely agreed. 2. Would the Russian SFSR actually agree to this, though? After all, even if the Soviet Union survives for the time being, the Russian SFSR's leaders and government officials will very likely be aware of the possibility that the Soviet Union could collapse at some future point in time. 3. Completely agreed. That's a good point; I'm not knowledgeable enough about the Russian SFSR to say anything for sure, but the Supreme Soviet could very well put pressure on it. And it would not just be in Russia; the same could happen in Crimea, in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nakhichevan, and Qaraqalpaqstan, to name a few. Out of curiosity--would there have been any way for the Russian SFSR to resist and retaliate against any pressure that the Supreme Soviet puts on it in regards to this issue? |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 4, 2016 0:48:46 GMT
That's a good point; I'm not knowledgeable enough about the Russian SFSR to say anything for sure, but the Supreme Soviet could very well put pressure on it. And it would not just be in Russia; the same could happen in Crimea, in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nakhichevan, and Qaraqalpaqstan, to name a few. Out of curiosity--would there have been any way for the Russian SFSR to resist and retaliate against any pressure that the Supreme Soviet puts on it in regards to this issue? Only relevant Soviet law I could find was the one allowing secession, which could be used as a trump card against regional interests. However, that would tank the Union, and hypothetical new Republics would likely follow the Moscow line anyway. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 4, 2016 5:10:23 GMT
Out of curiosity--would there have been any way for the Russian SFSR to resist and retaliate against any pressure that the Supreme Soviet puts on it in regards to this issue? Only relevant Soviet law I could find was the one allowing secession, which could be used as a trump card against regional interests. However, that would tank the Union, and hypothetical new Republics would likely follow the Moscow line anyway. OK. Thus, it appears that the Russian SFSR doesn't have too much to fear from this. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 5, 2016 14:04:59 GMT
Only relevant Soviet law I could find was the one allowing secession, which could be used as a trump card against regional interests. However, that would tank the Union, and hypothetical new Republics would likely follow the Moscow line anyway. OK. Thus, it appears that the Russian SFSR doesn't have too much to fear from this. If nothing else, the Soviet Army can be used as a nudger. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 6, 2016 1:39:03 GMT
OK. Thus, it appears that the Russian SFSR doesn't have too much to fear from this. If nothing else, the Soviet Army can be used as a nudger. That's kind of hard to do if many/a majority of the troops in the Soviet Army are ethnic Russians, no? |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 6, 2016 16:56:59 GMT
If nothing else, the Soviet Army can be used as a nudger. That's kind of hard to do if many/a majority of the troops in the Soviet Army are ethnic Russians, no? I meant by the central Soviet government to the smaller Republics. |
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Post by futurist on Aug 3, 2016 4:47:36 GMT
That's kind of hard to do if many/a majority of the troops in the Soviet Army are ethnic Russians, no? I meant by the central Soviet government to the smaller Republics. OK. |
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