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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 5:56:46 GMT
1. Completely agreed. Indeed, in early 1991, even in Ukraine, only Galicia and Kiev voted against the new Union Treaty:  2. Completely agreed. 3. For the time being, Yes, but if Azerbaijan will continue to be able to draw on the resources of the Soviet Union in the Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict/War, then we might see a switch between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Specifically, Armenia might reenter the Soviet Union while Azerbaijan might withdraw from the Soviet Union afterwards (since Azerbaijan probably isn't going to want to be in a union together with Armenia and since, even without the resources of the Soviet Union to draw upon, Azerbaijan appears to have enough oil to sustain itself and its independence). I agree that Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, and all of the Central Asian countries will remain in the Soviet Union in this scenario, though. 4. Would Russia actually agree to that, though? After all, while the Soviet Union avoided collapse in 1991-1992 in this scenario, who exactly is to say that the Soviet Union will not collapse at some future point in time in this scenario? 1. I doubt that once Armenia leaves that they would be let back in while letting Azerbaijan leave. Only having Armenia would have a poorly defensible exclave. 2. I also find it interesting to note the Ukrainian vote's division among ethnic lines. 1. Good point! Plus, unlike Armenia, Azerbaijan has a lot of oil reserves. 2. Actually, this vote wasn't along ethnic lines:  |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 23, 2016 12:56:22 GMT
1. I doubt that once Armenia leaves that they would be let back in while letting Azerbaijan leave. Only having Armenia would have a poorly defensible exclave. 2. I also find it interesting to note the Ukrainian vote's division among ethnic lines. 1. Good point! Plus, unlike Armenia, Azerbaijan has a lot of oil reserves. 2. Actually, this vote wasn't along ethnic lines: Your image is not showing. Still, heavily Ukrainian areas were the only ones to vote against the New Union. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 18:22:06 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Jun 24, 2016 2:13:51 GMT
Get a forbidden message to your link. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 24, 2016 17:15:45 GMT
Get a forbidden message to your link. I get the same. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 7:27:02 GMT
Get a forbidden message to your link. I get the same. Gee, I wonder why.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 8:16:17 GMT
Gee, I wonder why. Here is the map you speak of i think. Ethnological map of Ukraine
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 2, 2016 19:34:28 GMT
Gee, I wonder why. Here is the map you speak of i think. Ethnological map of Ukraine
Still not seeing it. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 19:37:33 GMT
Here is the map you speak of i think. Ethnological map of Ukraine
Still not seeing it. The Russians are behind it. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 2, 2016 19:42:05 GMT
The Russians are behind it. I knew it. They want everyone to think they've annexed Ukraine entirely. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 19:42:52 GMT
The Russians are behind it. I knew it. They want everyone to think they've annexed Ukraine entirely. And thus they hacked into the forum, yes that is it. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 2, 2016 19:46:36 GMT
I knew it. They want everyone to think they've annexed Ukraine entirely. And thus they hacked into the forum, yes that is it. They see we're on the rise. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 19:51:49 GMT
And thus they hacked into the forum, yes that is it. They see we're on the rise. But back to the topic, i cannot see the Soviet Union surviving even if there is no coup, the country was already on it last legs, this will only pushed it a year or two away. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jul 2, 2016 20:08:27 GMT
They see we're on the rise. But back to the topic, i cannot see the Soviet Union surviving even if there is no coup, the country was already on it last legs, this will only pushed it a year or two away. I doubt it. The Soviet Union was well on its way to reform, and the coup ruined such a possibility. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 21:48:02 GMT
But back to the topic, i cannot see the Soviet Union surviving even if there is no coup, the country was already on it last legs, this will only pushed it a year or two away. I doubt it. The Soviet Union was well on its way to reform, and the coup ruined such a possibility. Completely agreed. After all, no coup = no Ukrainian secession from the Soviet Union = no collapse of the Soviet Union. |
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