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Post by futurist on Jun 19, 2016 2:46:47 GMT
Let's say that German Kaiser Friedrich III either doesn't get throat cancer at all or gets surgery to eliminate his threat cancer in time. In turn, this means that German Kaiser Friedrich III is probably going to live much longer in comparison to real life. Now, let's say that Kaiser Friedrich III tries to implement various reforms in Germany of a democratic, anti-Junker, and anti-militarist nature. In turn, this results in large-scale resistance to Friedrich in the Prussian military, among the Junkers, among German conservatives, and possibly among the monarchs and leaderships of some other German states. Meanwhile, Friedrich III's desired reforms cause him to become very popular among left-leaning people (especially among socialists) in the German Empire.
Anyway, let's say that things somehow spiral out of control in Germany sometime in the 1890s and thus a civil war breaks out in Germany during this time. (For example, we can have Kaiser Friedrich III go on a foreign trip in the middle of his reform process in the 1890s. While Friedrich is abroad, a coalition of conservatives, Junkers, and militarists attempts to launch a coup in Berlin and to place Friedrich's eldest son Wilhelm on the German throne as the new German Kaiser. While this coup initially succeeds in Berlin and in some other parts of the German Empire, many left-leaning people (especially socialists) in Germany refuse to recognize the new German government, express their loyalty to Friedrich, and begin an armed uprising/rebellion against the new German government.)
How exactly would this civil war play out? What exactly will the ultimate outcome of this civil war be? Also, will other European Great Powers get involved in this war? If so, then exactly which European Great Powers will get involved in this war and on exactly whose side?
Indeed, any thoughts on this?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 8:21:08 GMT
Let's say that German Kaiser Friedrich III either doesn't get throat cancer at all or gets surgery to eliminate his threat cancer in time. In turn, this means that German Kaiser Friedrich III is probably going to live much longer in comparison to real life. Now, let's say that Kaiser Friedrich III tries to implement various reforms in Germany of a democratic, anti-Junker, and anti-militarist nature. In turn, this results in large-scale resistance to Friedrich in the Prussian military, among the Junkers, among German conservatives, and possibly among the monarchs and leaderships of some other German states. Meanwhile, Friedrich III's desired reforms cause him to become very popular among left-leaning people (especially among socialists) in the German Empire. Anyway, let's say that things somehow spiral out of control in Germany sometime in the 1890s and thus a civil war breaks out in Germany during this time. (For example, we can have Kaiser Friedrich III go on a foreign trip in the middle of his reform process in the 1890s. While Friedrich is abroad, a coalition of conservatives, Junkers, and militarists attempts to launch a coup in Berlin and to place Friedrich's eldest son Wilhelm on the German throne as the new German Kaiser. While this coup initially succeeds in Berlin and in some other parts of the German Empire, many left-leaning people (especially socialists) in Germany refuse to recognize the new German government, express their loyalty to Friedrich, and begin an armed uprising/rebellion against the new German government.) How exactly would this civil war play out? What exactly will the ultimate outcome of this civil war be? Also, will other European Great Powers get involved in this war? If so, then exactly which European Great Powers will get involved in this war and on exactly whose side? Indeed, any thoughts on this? Why would anybody go against a Kaiser wishes. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 19, 2016 15:01:22 GMT
If they feel his aims and plans threaten their interests there are bound to be a few who are likely to try and stop him. Including by force if necessary. I suspect its unlikely because between modernising elements and the prestige the Kaiser has there would be considerable opposition to any such move.
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Post by futurist on Jun 20, 2016 1:40:34 GMT
Let's say that German Kaiser Friedrich III either doesn't get throat cancer at all or gets surgery to eliminate his threat cancer in time. In turn, this means that German Kaiser Friedrich III is probably going to live much longer in comparison to real life. Now, let's say that Kaiser Friedrich III tries to implement various reforms in Germany of a democratic, anti-Junker, and anti-militarist nature. In turn, this results in large-scale resistance to Friedrich in the Prussian military, among the Junkers, among German conservatives, and possibly among the monarchs and leaderships of some other German states. Meanwhile, Friedrich III's desired reforms cause him to become very popular among left-leaning people (especially among socialists) in the German Empire. Anyway, let's say that things somehow spiral out of control in Germany sometime in the 1890s and thus a civil war breaks out in Germany during this time. (For example, we can have Kaiser Friedrich III go on a foreign trip in the middle of his reform process in the 1890s. While Friedrich is abroad, a coalition of conservatives, Junkers, and militarists attempts to launch a coup in Berlin and to place Friedrich's eldest son Wilhelm on the German throne as the new German Kaiser. While this coup initially succeeds in Berlin and in some other parts of the German Empire, many left-leaning people (especially socialists) in Germany refuse to recognize the new German government, express their loyalty to Friedrich, and begin an armed uprising/rebellion against the new German government.) How exactly would this civil war play out? What exactly will the ultimate outcome of this civil war be? Also, will other European Great Powers get involved in this war? If so, then exactly which European Great Powers will get involved in this war and on exactly whose side? Indeed, any thoughts on this? Why would anybody go against a Kaiser wishes. Because not everyone has the same views as the German Kaiser--especially a German Kaiser who wants to eliminate the old order in Germany. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 20, 2016 1:41:51 GMT
If they feel his aims and plans threaten their interests there are bound to be a few who are likely to try and stop him. Including by force if necessary. I suspect its unlikely because between modernising elements and the prestige the Kaiser has there would be considerable opposition to any such move. Couldn't opponents of the German Kaiser feel that even making a suicidal attempt to overthrow him is better than making no attempt at all to overthrow him, though? Indeed, this appears to be what the 1991 Soviet coup plotters did in real life. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 0:06:44 GMT
Also, could German states with more conservative leaderships have tried to secede from the German Empire in this scenario?
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 3:41:55 GMT
Also, could German states with more conservative leaderships have tried to secede from the German Empire in this scenario? Any thoughts on this? There is the German-Hanoverian Party who during the German Revolution of 1918–1919, the DHP advocated the implementation of a Free State of Hanover within the Weimar Republic, they could if there is a A civil war in Imperial Germany in the 1890s try to get Independence for the Kingdom of Hanover . |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 6:06:54 GMT
Also, could German states with more conservative leaderships have tried to secede from the German Empire in this scenario? Any thoughts on this? There is the German-Hanoverian Party who during the German Revolution of 1918–1919, the DHP advocated the implementation of a Free State of Hanover within the Weimar Republic, they could if there is a A civil war in Imperial Germany in the 1890s try to get Independence for the Kingdom of Hanover. Possibly--especially if at least one Great Power (such as France) will support them. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 13:34:34 GMT
There is the German-Hanoverian Party who during the German Revolution of 1918–1919, the DHP advocated the implementation of a Free State of Hanover within the Weimar Republic, they could if there is a A civil war in Imperial Germany in the 1890s try to get Independence for the Kingdom of Hanover. Possibly--especially if at least one Great Power (such as France) will support them. More likely the Unite Kingdom will support them, remember until 1837 the Kingdom of Hanover was in a personal union with the United Kingdom. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 16:46:55 GMT
Possibly--especially if at least one Great Power (such as France) will support them. More likely the Unite Kingdom will support them, remember until 1837 the Kingdom of Hanover was in a personal union with the United Kingdom. Possibly ... possibly. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 16:57:22 GMT
More likely the Unite Kingdom will support them, remember until 1837 the Kingdom of Hanover was in a personal union with the United Kingdom. Possibly ... possibly. What about the other states, i would think Bavaria will also try to gain its independence, it was known that during the regency of Prince-Regent Luitpold relations between Bavarians and Prussians remained cold as Bavarians resented Prussia's strategic dominance over the empire. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 18:08:48 GMT
What about the other states, i would think Bavaria will also try to gain its independence, it was known that during the regency of Prince-Regent Luitpold relations between Bavarians and Prussians remained cold as Bavarians resented Prussia's strategic dominance over the empire. Possibly--especially if Bavaria can get at least one European Great Power (such as France) to support it. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2016 18:10:37 GMT
What about the other states, i would think Bavaria will also try to gain its independence, it was known that during the regency of Prince-Regent Luitpold relations between Bavarians and Prussians remained cold as Bavarians resented Prussia's strategic dominance over the empire. Possibly--especially if Bavaria can get at least one European Great Power (such as France) to support it. What about Austria, could it not support Bavaria. |
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Post by futurist on Jun 23, 2016 18:15:09 GMT
Possibly--especially if Bavaria can get at least one European Great Power (such as France) to support it. What about Austria, could it not support Bavaria. It certainly could if it looks like Frederick, liberalism, and British-style constitutional monarchy will triumph in Germany and in Prussia. |
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Post by Roderick3D on Jun 26, 2016 14:19:52 GMT
Let's say that German Kaiser Friedrich III either doesn't get throat cancer at all or gets surgery to eliminate his threat cancer in time. In turn, this means that German Kaiser Friedrich III is probably going to live much longer in comparison to real life. Now, let's say that Kaiser Friedrich III tries to implement various reforms in Germany of a democratic, anti-Junker, and anti-militarist nature. In turn, this results in large-scale resistance to Friedrich in the Prussian military, among the Junkers, among German conservatives, and possibly among the monarchs and leaderships of some other German states. Meanwhile, Friedrich III's desired reforms cause him to become very popular among left-leaning people (especially among socialists) in the German Empire. Anyway, let's say that things somehow spiral out of control in Germany sometime in the 1890s and thus a civil war breaks out in Germany during this time. (For example, we can have Kaiser Friedrich III go on a foreign trip in the middle of his reform process in the 1890s. While Friedrich is abroad, a coalition of conservatives, Junkers, and militarists attempts to launch a coup in Berlin and to place Friedrich's eldest son Wilhelm on the German throne as the new German Kaiser. While this coup initially succeeds in Berlin and in some other parts of the German Empire, many left-leaning people (especially socialists) in Germany refuse to recognize the new German government, express their loyalty to Friedrich, and begin an armed uprising/rebellion against the new German government.) How exactly would this civil war play out? What exactly will the ultimate outcome of this civil war be? Also, will other European Great Powers get involved in this war? If so, then exactly which European Great Powers will get involved in this war and on exactly whose side? Indeed, any thoughts on this? Why would anybody go against a Kaiser wishes. COMMUNISM!!!!! |
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