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Post by empresspenguine on Jul 1, 2016 23:55:59 GMT
The Kaiser's power was very limited outside of Prussia. The reforms you are suggesting could not be imposed on the other German states. The most likely civil war in Germany would be a princely revolt against the Imperial government. The federal princes rebel against Frederich's efforts to make them mere vassals stripped of all power at home and in Berlin.
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 1:46:40 GMT
The Kaiser's power was very limited outside of Prussia. The reforms you are suggesting could not be imposed on the other German states. The most likely civil war in Germany would be a princely revolt against the Imperial government. The federal princes rebel against Frederich's efforts to make them mere vassals stripped of all power at home and in Berlin. Could Kaiser Friedrich III have been smarter and only tried to implement his reforms in Prussia for the time being, though? (Of course, it is certainly worth noting that even this might not be enough for conservatives in other German states due to a fear of an (eventual) successful precedent.) |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 3:01:39 GMT
The Kaiser's power was very limited outside of Prussia. The reforms you are suggesting could not be imposed on the other German states. The most likely civil war in Germany would be a princely revolt against the Imperial government. The federal princes rebel against Frederich's efforts to make them mere vassals stripped of all power at home and in Berlin. Could Kaiser Friedrich III have been smarter and only tried to implement his reforms in Prussia for the time being, though? (Of course, it is certainly worth noting that even this might not be enough for conservatives in other German states due to a fear of an (eventual) successful precedent.) Would not any reform that happen in Prussia who was the lead country in the German Empire also directly or indirectly effect the entire German Empire. |
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Post by empresspenguine on Jul 2, 2016 6:35:03 GMT
The Kaiser's power was very limited outside of Prussia. The reforms you are suggesting could not be imposed on the other German states. The most likely civil war in Germany would be a princely revolt against the Imperial government. The federal princes rebel against Frederich's efforts to make them mere vassals stripped of all power at home and in Berlin. Could Kaiser Friedrich III have been smarter and only tried to implement his reforms in Prussia for the time being, though? (Of course, it is certainly worth noting that even this might not be enough for conservatives in other German states due to a fear of an (eventual) successful precedent.) It is not about being smarter. The Kaiser had little real power. The real power came from being King of Prussia. Prussia had about 2/3 of the population of Germany so was the most powerful state A Kaiser who interfered in another Prince's Kingdom would provoke civil war Another thing is that Frederick was seen as beholden to his wife. "Frederich the henpecked" was not a figure that enjoyed much sympathy in Germany. What reforms is he going to make? |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 7:00:20 GMT
1. Wasn't Friederich a war hero due to his service in the Franco-Prussian War, though? 2. Implementing genuine democratic rule in Prussia and reducing the power of the Junkers and of the Prussian military? |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 7:00:52 GMT
Could Kaiser Friedrich III have been smarter and only tried to implement his reforms in Prussia for the time being, though? (Of course, it is certainly worth noting that even this might not be enough for conservatives in other German states due to a fear of an (eventual) successful precedent.) Would not any reform that happen in Prussia who was the lead country in the German Empire also directly or indirectly effect the entire German Empire. Indirectly? Yes, I suppose so--at least to some extent. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2016 8:18:16 GMT
1. Wasn't Friederich a war hero due to his service in the Franco-Prussian War, though? Yes he commanded the III Army, consisting of troops from the southern German states and defeated the French at the battles of Wissembourg and Wörth. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 2, 2016 22:03:08 GMT
1. Wasn't Friederich a war hero due to his service in the Franco-Prussian War, though? Yes he commanded the III Army, consisting of troops from the southern German states and defeated the French at the battles of Wissembourg and Wörth. OK. Thus, to say that Friedrich had no credibility is inaccurate, correct? |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2016 8:34:01 GMT
Yes he commanded the III Army, consisting of troops from the southern German states and defeated the French at the battles of Wissembourg and Wörth. OK. Thus, to say that Friedrich had no credibility is inaccurate, correct? He had military experience Yes. |
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Post by empresspenguine on Jul 4, 2016 0:25:40 GMT
1. Wasn't Friederich a war hero due to his service in the Franco-Prussian War, though? 2. Implementing genuine democratic rule in Prussia and reducing the power of the Junkers and of the Prussian military? Yes he was respected for his war service. The outspokeness of his wife and her liberal pro-English views were not respected. She didn't understand that she had to put Prussia and Germany above England and that it would be best to operate quitely in the background. An Empress views should not be publicly known If Frederich limits himself to reform in Prussia, it is hard to see him starting a civil war. The Junkers would whine and scream but there isn't much to do about universal suffrage. It is hard to believe that the masses would rally to the elite if the cause is restricting their own voting rights. Franz Joseph used the threat of universal suffrage to force the Magyar nobles to back down. If the Magyars aren't going to fight over the issue, the Prussians surely would not A German Civil war would have to be lead by the German Princes- a move against their powers or the powers of the local government could incite a war. One third of Germany was not Prussian. If Frederich reforms could be seen as an effort to impose Prussia on the rest of the country war could happen |
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