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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 13:08:12 GMT
Well, Decisive Darkness is still not over as Zeldaxlove64 just posted a chapter on the fall of the Brittany pocket, encircled by the British and most of France is still unoccupied and General Salan has just promised that France would fight to the last bullet from Vichy, the new capital of France while most of Central and Southern France are still unoccupied by the Allies.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 13:11:54 GMT
Well, Decisive Darkness is still not over as Zeldaxlove64 just posted a chapter on the fall of the Brittany pocket, encircled by the British and most of France is still unoccupied and General Salan has just promised that France would fight to the last bullet from Vichy, the new capital of France while most of Central and Southern France are still unoccupied by the Allies. I will read it as soon as i have time. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 13:25:57 GMT
Okay, so, what do you think was the fiercest battle in "Decisive Darkness"? Me? I'd go with Operation Moltke, it seems like the author put a lot of effort into the two chapters dedicated to the first day of Operation Moltke and I think that she deserves a lot of praise for that as well. Also, what do you think was the best warship of WW2? I'd go with the Russian Muscovy-class of Battleships.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 14:12:32 GMT
Okay, so, what do you think was the fiercest battle in "Decisive Darkness"? Me? I'd go with Operation Moltke, it seems like the author put a lot of effort into the two chapters dedicated to the first day of Operation Moltke and I think that she deserves a lot of praise for that as well. Also, what do you think was the best warship of WW2? I'd go with the Russian Muscovy-class of Battleships. The Russians did build the best battleships and even carriers of the war, not even the Germans could beat them in that regard, but then again the Germans could not build many large ships for a while as its country was occupied by the French. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 14:34:08 GMT
Yea, and aside from the fall of Paris, do you consider Operation Moltke to be the most epic part of Zeldaxlove64's timeline as she dedicated FOUR chapters to Operation Moltke, two for the preparations and two for the battle?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 14:36:37 GMT
Yea, and aside from the fall of Paris, do you consider Operation Moltke to be the most epic part of Zeldaxlove64's timeline as she dedicated FOUR chapters to Operation Moltke, two for the preparations and two for the battle? I think you are right, have to read it again to be able to comment and it is almost 4 chapters long. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 14:56:53 GMT
Lordroel, I think that the chapter on the Fall of Paris is one of the best chapters of "Decisive Darkness" aside from the Operation Moltke chapters and the best part of said chapter is that she posted it on May 25. Also, I think that the Muscovy-class had their finest hour when the Russian Baltic Fleet along with the High Seas Fleet destroyed the French fleet in the Second Battle of Jutland
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 15:00:25 GMT
Lordroel, I think that the chapter on the Fall of Paris is one of the best chapters of "Decisive Darkness" aside from the Operation Moltke chapters and the best part of said chapter is that she posted it on May 25. Also, I think that the Muscovy-class had their finest hour when the Russian Baltic Fleet along with the High Seas Fleet destroyed the French fleet in the Second Battle of Jutland It was a grand battle, i always wonder why the French navy went for a all out battle at Jutland, they did not need to but they did it and as a result where destroyed. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 20, 2016 9:01:20 GMT
Admiral Darlan admitted in his memoirs that he was forced to seek a "Decisive Battle" by the political leadership in Paris. As for Operation Moltke, what part of the chapters that zeldaxlove64 dedicated to it in her "Decisive Darkness" is your favorite? Also, so, I personally talked to zeldaxlove64 last Friday night in the meet and greet in her concert with Katy and Selena and she told me that she was inspired to create the "Decisive Darkness" timeline due to the fact that many history books state that the surrender of the Nationalist regime in France was a close-run thing and she chose to make it very dark because of the fact that historical conditions in France in 1946 were very bad and Allied and French war plans both included mass chemical warfare, tolerance for millions of deaths, and the like. Finally, what do you think was the greatest Allied victory in WW2 and why?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 20, 2016 13:27:39 GMT
Admiral Darlan admitted in his memoirs that he was forced to seek a "Decisive Battle" by the political leadership in Paris. As for Operation Moltke, what part of the chapters that zeldaxlove64 dedicated to it in her "Decisive Darkness" is your favorite? Also, so, I personally talked to zeldaxlove64 last Friday night in the meet and greet in her concert with Katy and Selena and she told me that she was inspired to create the "Decisive Darkness" timeline due to the fact that many history books state that the surrender of the Nationalist regime in France was a close-run thing and she chose to make it very dark because of the fact that historical conditions in France in 1946 were very bad and Allied and French war plans both included mass chemical warfare, tolerance for millions of deaths, and the like. Finally, what do you think was the greatest Allied victory in WW2 and why? Yes i have read the book, it seem that tried everything but deserting to prevent the "Decisive Battle" from happening. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 20, 2016 13:39:23 GMT
Yes, the French navy's command were probably only sane men left in France's leadership as the army was cowed after Charles De Gaulle and co launched a failed coup on October 11, 1945 on the model of Admiral Yamamoto's successful coup a few months earlier but loyalist elements of the army, along with the Milice successfully defeated the coup and De Gaulle and his fellow coup plotters were executed on October 13 at first light and the Second Battle of Jutland, which took place from November 18 to November 23, was basically a death ride for the French navy as Darlan's fleet was reduced to two battleships, one aircraft carrier, four heavy cruisers, and seven light cruisers along with twenty-six destroyers in the naval battle along with the post-battle air strikes and the fact that the French navy's high command were the sanest members of France's leadership is probably why zeldaxlove64 in her "Decisive Darkness" timeline decided to make a bomb which historically missed hit Admiral Darlan's flagship, the Heavy Cruiser Lyon, killing him in the magazine explosion and enabling a council of hardline generals and fanatic members of the National Front to take over France after Doriot's end.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 20, 2016 13:46:52 GMT
Yes, the French navy's command were probably only sane men left in France's leadership as the army was cowed after Charles De Gaulle and co launched a failed coup on October 11, 1945 on the model of Admiral Yamamoto's successful coup a few months earlier but loyalist elements of the army, along with the Milice successfully defeated the coup and De Gaulle and his fellow coup plotters were executed on October 13 at first light and the Second Battle of Jutland, which took place from November 18 to November 23, was basically a death ride for the French navy as Darlan's fleet was reduced to two battleships, one aircraft carrier, four heavy cruisers, and seven light cruisers along with twenty-six destroyers in the naval battle along with the post-battle air strikes and the fact that the French navy's high command were the sanest members of France's leadership is probably why zeldaxlove64 in her "Decisive Darkness" timeline decided to make a bomb which historically missed hit Admiral Darlan's flagship, the Heavy Cruiser Lyon, killing him in the magazine explosion and enabling a council of hardline generals and fanatic members of the National Front to take over France after Doriot's end. There is also a difference in admiral Yamamoto's successful coup and Charles De Gaulle failed coup, the Imperial Japanese Army had been almost destroyed by the Sino-Russian armies in thier Manchuria and Korea campaigns, there was not much of a Imperial Japanese Army left on mainland Japan as most of them had been send to fight in Manchuria and Korea where they where destroyed allowing the Imperial Japanese Navy to launch their successful coup, its was a complete different story when Charles De Gaulle launched his failed coup as there where enough loyalist elements of the army, along with the Milice to crush the coup. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 20, 2016 13:55:35 GMT
Most of the remaining IJA units were by now garrisons in Taiwan, Jeju Island, and bypassed islands in the Pacific Ocean with only raw, untrained conscripts being in the Home Islands with the exception of about 50,000 men who were succesfully evscuated to the Home Islands. Also, so, what do you think of Decisive Darkness' POD being Admiral Darlan being killed in the Lorient Attacks by the USN?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 20, 2016 13:57:46 GMT
Most of the remaining IJA units were by now garrisons in Taiwan, Jeju Island, and bypassed islands in the Pacific Ocean with only raw, untrained conscripts being in the Home Islands with the exception of about 50,000 men who were succesfully evscuated to the Home Islands. Also, so, what do you think of Decisive Darkness' POD being Admiral Darlan being killed in the Lorient Attacks by the USN? You mean the 1 megaton bomb that he got on top of his head, i say that was overkill. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 20, 2016 14:04:06 GMT
If I recall correctly, Decisive Darkness involved a 800 pound bomb which historically landed on a destroyer hitting the bridge of the Lyon while Admiral Darlan was in the bridge, killing him and everyone else in the bridge as the POD for Decisive Darkness. BTW, so, what do you think of the detail zeldaxlove64 goes into how France's resistance to the Allied advance leads to more death and suffering for the French people? Is it a bit too much? And also, what part of zeldaxlove64's Decisive Darkness is your favorite?
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