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Post by whiteshore on Jun 6, 2016 12:27:56 GMT
Today marks the 70th anniversary of the atomic destruction of Marsailles by a 15kt nuclear weapon developed by a joint German-Russian nuclear program which resulted in Jacques Doriot's "Fourth French Republic" surrendering after Admiral Darlan succeded Jacques Doriot after Doriot, who was in Marsailles, was killed by the radiation a few hours after the nuclear weapon hit Marsailles while Darlan was at Lorient with France's last remaining major naval force (well, if you could call a handful of light cruisers and destroyers a major naval force). Was it worth it to defeat the last remaining member of the Grand Entente of France, Italy, and Japan with Serbia, Greece, Belgium, and Spain as lesser members of the Grand Entente as the Wehrmacht and the Russian Army, under Georgy Zhukov's leadership, was still on the Rhine and France's ruling party was willing to fight to the end? Or was Operation Bismarck a better optiom than what happened to Marsailles? This debate is also compounded by the fact the USA, under President Theodore Roosevelt Jr. had just signed a peace with a more moderate Japanese leadership who overthrew Tojo and his gang after the Battle of the Marianas and the Federation of Workers Republics (OOC: Basically a Communist British Empire without the white Dominions, India, the West Indies and Malaya) had just joined the war against France as well.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 6, 2016 13:53:45 GMT
Today marks the 70th anniversary of the atomic destruction of Marsailles by a 15kt nuclear weapon developed by a joint German-Russian nuclear program which resulted in Jacques Doriot's "Fourth French Republic" surrendering after Admiral Darlan succeded Jacques Doriot after Doriot, who was in Marsailles, was killed by the radiation a few hours after the nuclear weapon hit Marsailles while Darlan was at Lorient with France's last remaining major naval force (well, if you could call a handful of light cruisers and destroyers a major naval force). Was it worth it to defeat the last remaining member of the Grand Entente of France, Italy, and Japan with Serbia, Greece, Belgium, and Spain as lesser members of the Grand Entente as the Wehrmacht and the Russian Army, under Georgy Zhukov's leadership, was still on the Rhine and France's ruling party was willing to fight to the end? Or was Operation Bismarck a better optiom than what happened to Marsailles? This debate is also compounded by the fact the USA, under President Theodore Roosevelt Jr. had just signed a peace with a more moderate Japanese leadership who overthrew Tojo and his gang after the Battle of the Marianas and the Federation of Workers Republics (OOC: Basically a Communist British Empire without the white Dominions, India, the West Indies and Malaya) had just joined the war against France as well. It still amasses me that the joint German-Russian nuclear program succeeded, it was a rush rush project from the start. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 9, 2016 2:18:59 GMT
How was the German-Russian nuclear program a "rush project"? And what do you think of the fact that some of the members of the National Front still refused to surrender after Darlan proposed that the "Fourth French Republic" surrender after Army Group A's HQ and most of it's best troops were vaporized three days after Marsailles was nuked, opening the road to Paris?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 9, 2016 2:57:54 GMT
How was the German-Russian nuclear program a "rush project"? Because the German-Russian nuclear program wanted to have their bomb before the United States, they only manged to have the bomb first because the United States signed a peace treaty with Japan and as a result President Theodore Roosevelt Jr ordered the United states nuclear program to slow down as he saw no need in it going so fast. And what do you think of the fact that some of the members of the National Front still refused to surrender after Darlan proposed that the "Fourth French Republic" surrender after Army Group A's HQ and most of it's best troops were vaporized three days after Marsailles was nuked, opening the road to Paris? It did not matter, the remains of those National Front who refused to surrender where hunted down in their strongholds in the French Alps during the two years that followed and by the end of 1948 the German-Russian collation was in full control of the occupied France. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 9, 2016 3:13:49 GMT
Yea, I also heard that Admiral Darlan only escaped charges of war crimes after the American Admiral admitted that the USA also practiced unrestricted submarine warfare against the Japanese and the Silent Conflict between the Federation of Workers Republics, the Arab Socialist Union, and the Democratic Republic of South Africa (Apartheid ended messily with the area around Cape Town and Natal taken over by Commonwealth forces and the rest falling to the ANC and the Communists) and the Allied Nations of Russia, Germany, China, America, and the Commonwealth with the Republic of India as an unaligned Kingmaker in the Silent Conflict which has slowly petered out recently as well as the Federation of Workers Republics seeking Detente with the Allied Nations and rumors are there of a split between the ASU and the DRSA with the FWR as they oppose the attempts by General Secretary David Miliband to seek Detente with the Allied Nations.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 9, 2016 3:16:45 GMT
Yea, I also heard that Admiral Darlan only escaped charges of war crimes after the American Admiral admitted that the USA also practiced unrestricted submarine warfare against the Japanese and the Silent Conflict between the Federation of Workers Republics, the Arab Socialist Union, and the Democratic Republic of South Africa (Apartheid ended messily with the area around Cape Town and Natal taken over by Commonwealth forces and the rest falling to the ANC and the Communists) and the Allied Nations of Russia, Germany, China, America, and the Commonwealth with the Republic of India as an unaligned Kingmaker in the Silent Conflict which has slowly petered out recently as well as the Federation of Workers Republics seeking Detente with the Allied Nations and rumors are there of a split between the ASU and the DRSA with the FWR as they oppose the attempts by General Secretary David Miliband to seek Detente with the Allied Nations. What is your view on president Franklin D. Roosevelt choosing his son Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jr as his vice-president in 1944. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 9, 2016 3:33:44 GMT
I think that it wasn't a good decision but yea, FDR Jr. proved to be a decent president and was reelected narrowly in 1948 but didn't seek reelection in 1952.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 9, 2016 3:36:06 GMT
I think that it wasn't a good decision but yea, FDR Jr. proved to be a decent president and was reelected narrowly in 1948 but didn't seek reelection in 1952. I always wonder why not, he could have run in 1952, but then again, having a Roosevelt as president sins 1933 is for some a little bit to much. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 9, 2016 3:52:05 GMT
I think that it wasn't a good decision but yea, FDR Jr. proved to be a decent president and was reelected narrowly in 1948 but didn't seek reelection in 1952. I always wonder why not, he could have run in 1952, but then again, having a Roosevelt as president sins 1933 is for some a little bit to much. That's a whole new level of dynastic politics. At least they elected Goldwater after the younger Roosevelt. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 9, 2016 10:20:45 GMT
What do you think was Nationalist France's dumbest military decision?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 9, 2016 13:22:43 GMT
What do you think was Nationalist France's dumbest military decision? Invading the Kingdom of the Netherlands in 1940, invading Spain and Portugal in 1941, thinking that the German Empire (OOC: a democratic country lead by the Kingdom of Bavaria with as its head Rupert I who is also emperor Deutsches Reich) would be a walk in the park and assuming that the Russian empire would not honor its defense treaty with the German Empire which it did mostly because because one of Rupert I daughters (OOC still born in 1906 but alive here) is married to Russian Tsar Alexander IV. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 10, 2016 10:41:48 GMT
Yes, the French Nationalists did not count on the fact the German Empire had talented Generals like Erwin Rommel and Heinz Guderian who employed armored warfare with great effectiveness and in addition, the Panzer IV and the Russian T-34 was more than a match for both the Somua S35 and the Char G1. Nationalist France also made the mistake of overestimating Italian military competence as Fascist Italy's military incompetence led to a brutal stalemate in the Alps and, well, the invasions of Spain and Portugal were in support of the Fascist regimes there as the Spanish and Portuguese Civil Wars had both turned against the Fascist regimes there.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 10, 2016 13:12:46 GMT
Yes, the French Nationalists did not count on the fact the German Empire had talented Generals like Erwin Rommel and Heinz Guderian who employed armored warfare with great effectiveness and in addition, the Panzer IV and the Russian T-34 was more than a match for both the Somua S35 and the Char G1. Nationalist France also made the mistake of overestimating Italian military competence as Fascist Italy's military incompetence led to a brutal stalemate in the Alps and, well, the invasions of Spain and Portugal were in support of the Fascist regimes there as the Spanish and Portuguese Civil Wars had both turned against the Fascist regimes there. It still surprise me that the French manged to get so far, it was only during the siege of Munich (OOC version of the siege of Stalingrad) and the battle of Berlin (OOC version of the battle of Moscow) that they where halted by the combined forces of the Germans and Russians. Who do you rank the best German field marshals, Rommel who would lead the German campaign in Italy, Guderian who liberated the Netherlands and crushed the combined French-Belgium army in the battle of the Bulge or Manstein who liberated Denmark and Norway, of course there are several other like Kesselring, Rundstedt or Model but i think the first three are the best generals Germany ever produced. Also what is your view on the German Republic that was created by the French under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. |
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 10, 2016 13:40:49 GMT
Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party were the biggest traitors to the Fatherland in WW2 and his German Republic was a sham as it had little authority outside of it's "capital" in Cologne. And I think that Guderian was the greatest of the German Marshals of WW2 but I could argue Mikhail Tuchachevsky was the greatest Allied Commander of WW2 as he obliterated an entire French Army Group and did severe damage to another in Operation Bagration, which saw the French Army being pushed out of Northern Germany. BTW, who do you think was the best Entente commander of WW2, then? Finally, was the rise of Jacques Doriot and his National Front party or some other Far-right organization in France inevitable or not in your opinion and why?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 10, 2016 13:59:00 GMT
Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party were the biggest traitors to the Fatherland in WW2 and his German Republic was a sham as it had little authority outside of it's "capital" in Cologne. And I think that Guderian was the greatest of the German Marshals of WW2 but I could argue Mikhail Tuchachevsky was the greatest Allied Commander of WW2 as he obliterated an entire French Army Group and did severe damage to another in Operation Bagration, which saw the French Army being pushed out of Northern Germany. BTW, who do you think was the best Entente commander of WW2, then? Finally, was the rise of Jacques Doriot and his National Front party or some other Far-right organization in France inevitable or not in your opinion and why? The french had the best generals of all entente forces but none jump out as being the best, all three Marshal of France (1) Jean de Lattre de Tassigny, (2) is Alphonse Juin, (3) and Philippe Leclerc de Hauteclocque are equal good in their own right. I believe the collapse of the 2nd French empire in 1922 followed by the short lived Third French Republic (1922 to 1931) and the two yeas of a semi French civil war chaos that followed which was filled up by the Fourth French Republic lead by Jacques Doriot's makes it clear that if the French tried their best they could have created a peaceful unity government instead of what came into power instead. |
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