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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 10:42:20 GMT
what do you think of the fact Decisive Darkness features France break out WW1-era poison gas supplies to attack Allied Armies crossing the Rhine? Well if France had not surrender after the nuking of Marseilles i would think they would have use poison gas against the German-Russian armies, thus the deception of poison gas in the Decisive Darkness timeline is not far of what what have could be.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 10:53:01 GMT
I think that "zeldaxlove64" does a great job in portraying what would have happened had France not surrendered on June 1946 as it features the bleakness of what would have happened had Admiral Darlan not been around to take over France and manage a "graceful" surrender for France like FOUR more atomic bombings against France, both sides taking to using chemical weaponry, France creating "security detachments" tasked with eliminating "slackers" (read: anyone who retreats from the battle), the French Army conscripting old men and boys as young as 12 to hold off the Russians and Germans (and eventually the British and the Americans, once they launch amphibious landings in Normady and Spain respectably), and the like.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 10:57:22 GMT
I think that "zeldaxlove64" does a great job in portraying what would have happened had France not surrendered on June 1946 as it features the bleakness of what would have happened had Admiral Darlan not been around to take over France and manage a "graceful" surrender for France like FOUR more atomic bombings against France, both sides taking to using chemical weaponry, France creating "security detachments" tasked with eliminating "slackers" (read: anyone who retreats from the battle), the French Army conscripting old men and boys as young as 12 to hold off the Russians and Germans (and eventually the British and the Americans, once they launch amphibious landings in Normady and Spain respectably), and the like. Lucky it is only a timeline, i can not think that Germany or Russia will be kind to France and occupy it and make sure it never becomes a threat again.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 11:27:23 GMT
Yes, zeldaxlove64's timeline manages to create the darkest possible ending for World War 2 as to date to the latest update, 4 million French Civilians have died in the famine, mass bombings, and the sheer brutality of the final days of the war along with 1 million French soldiers and the Allies have only conquered 1/4ths of France and 2/3rds of the Iberian Peninsula by this point of the war and it seems that this would only get worse as they penetrate into central and southern France and some of the descriptions of the battles that zeldaxlove64 wrote are terrifying like Operation Moltke, or the crossing of the Rhine, which according to zeldaxlove64 has "75% fatalities for the first wave of German soldiers to storm the Rhine due to French usage of chemical weaponry and the fact the French army had prepared some very lethal defenses against the German armies" and the Battle of Antwerp, which zeldaxlove64 states "turned Antwerp from a city of 500,000 people to a chemical wasteland as the Germans and Russians used their chemical weapons to flush out the French defenders".
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 11:41:25 GMT
Yes, zeldaxlove64's timeline manages to create the darkest possible ending for World War 2 as to date to the latest update, 4 million French Civilians have died in the famine, mass bombings, and the sheer brutality of the final days of the war along with 1 million French soldiers and the Allies have only conquered 1/4ths of France and 2/3rds of the Iberian Peninsula by this point of the war and it seems that this would only get worse as they penetrate into central and southern France and some of the descriptions of the battles that zeldaxlove64 wrote are terrifying like Operation Moltke, or the crossing of the Rhine, which according to zeldaxlove64 has "75% fatalities for the first wave of German soldiers to storm the Rhine due to French usage of chemical weaponry and the fact the French army had prepared some very lethal defenses against the German armies" and the Battle of Antwerp, which zeldaxlove64 states "turned Antwerp from a city of 500,000 people to a chemical wasteland as the Germans and Russians used their chemical weapons to flush out the French defenders". Well it is good that wise men in France surrendered after the nuking of Marseilles or this timeline would have become realty.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 11:59:58 GMT
Yea, with the "graphic" descriptions zeldaxlove64 makes for her timeline, it's quite unbelievable who zeldaxlove64 actually is. BTW, what do you think is the darkest chapter of Decisive Darkness and why? Me? It's probably the chapter about how the French dealt with concentration camp victims as the allied armies approached.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 12:02:33 GMT
Yea, with the "graphic" descriptions zeldaxlove64 makes for her timeline, it's quite unbelievable who zeldaxlove64 actually is. BTW, what do you think is the darkest chapter of Decisive Darkness and why? Me? It's probably the chapter about how the French dealt with concentration camp victims as the allied armies approached. I think the entire timeline is dark, my view is zeldaxlove64 made it as dark as posable to force us to realize that we should be glad that it only was one atom bomb on Marseilles that ended the war.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 12:18:56 GMT
Yea, I'm of the opinion that zeldaxlove64 made it as dark as possible so we could be thankful that moderates led by Admiral Darlan prevailed in France in the short post-Doriot power struggle and to show that many in France's leadership were true believers who would fight to the death for their ideology. BTW, I think that it's arguably the darkest alternate history timeline ever made which does not involve the Entente winning, which is ironic.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 12:23:22 GMT
Yea, I'm of the opinion that zeldaxlove64 made it as dark as possible so we could be thankful that moderates led by Admiral Darlan prevailed in France in the short post-Doriot power struggle and to show that many in France's leadership were true believers who would fight to the death for their ideology. BTW, I think that it's arguably the darkest alternate history timeline ever made which does not involve the Entente winning, which is ironic. So who do you think is going to will the Euro Cup being held in the Kingdom of the Netherlands right now.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 12:33:25 GMT
I'm of the opinion that the German Empire would win the Euro Cup 2016 and that the Federation of Workers Republics would be the team that they'd be facing in the finals of the World Cup? And what timeline do you think is darker? Zeldaxfan64's "Decisive Darkness" or Calbear's "Russo-American/Natsoc War"?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 12:38:40 GMT
Zeldaxfan64's "Decisive Darkness" or Calbear's "Russo-American/Natsoc War"? At least in Decisive Darkness there is is a France left to surrender to the Germans and Russians while in the Russo-American/Natsoc War" he has almost everything blasted to dust with France being turned into a giant parking space.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 12:47:39 GMT
Yea, Doriot's successor after his fatal stroke in 1955 in CalBear's timeline was to say this lightly, a lunatic who rose to power by being the head of the Milice (OOC: Basically the French *SS) while in Zeldaxlove64's "Decisive Darkness", the French leadership may be fanatical and true believers in their ideology, but they are quite rational in their actions as they at least didn't openly televise the destruction of major cities and the like. BTW, so, what do you think is the most epic chapter of "Decisive Darkness"? Me? I'd go with the chapter about Operation Moltke as it showed how fiercely the French defended the Rhine and the amount of firepower the Allies threw into crossing the Rhine and I think this quote by Marshal Tuchachevsky motivating his troops is just pure awesome "The Rhine is just a river and any river can be crossed if you are determined enough!"
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 12:53:00 GMT
CalBear's timeline was to say this lightly, a lunatic who rose to power by being the head of the Milice I wonder how he got this idea, it a dark timeline even among other dark timelines.
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Post by whiteshore on Jun 19, 2016 12:58:43 GMT
Well, according to the backstory of the Russo-American/NatSoc War, Jacques Doriot dissolved the French Army after the war and created a Milice Army after the victory over Germany, leading to Joseph Darnard, head of the Milice, becoming a powerful figure in France. And what do you think is the most epic moment of Zeldaxlove64's "Decisive Darkness"?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2016 13:03:49 GMT
Well, according to the backstory of the Russo-American/NatSoc War, Jacques Doriot dissolved the French Army after the war and created a Milice Army after the victory over Germany, leading to Joseph Darnard, head of the Milice, becoming a powerful figure in France. And what do you think is the most epic moment of Zeldaxlove64's "Decisive Darkness"? The ending when the Russians raise their flag of what is left of the Eiffel tower wearing radioactive suits.
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