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Post by lordroel on Aug 3, 2020 16:49:38 GMT
Reading the book there might be some sort of depression due to the American-Japanese War but instead of starting in 1929 it might start in 1933. OK a lot would depend on the circumstances. An expensive war for the US, which probably means that other powers are selling it stuff and also having more success in 3rd markets - ditto also for Japan - could mean a lot of WWI debts are greatly reduced and would reduce the world economy's reliance on the US. So economic problems in the US would have markedly less effects on the rest of the world.
So it means a stronger Wimar Germany wich means the voters there have less reason to vote for a certain corporal and his goonies. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 3, 2020 16:54:02 GMT
OK a lot would depend on the circumstances. An expensive war for the US, which probably means that other powers are selling it stuff and also having more success in 3rd markets - ditto also for Japan - could mean a lot of WWI debts are greatly reduced and would reduce the world economy's reliance on the US. So economic problems in the US would have markedly less effects on the rest of the world.
So it means a stronger Wimar Germany wich means the voters there have less reason to vote for a certain corporal and his goonies.
Overall probably although the butterflies can go either way.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 3, 2020 16:57:27 GMT
So it means a stronger Wimar Germany wich means the voters there have less reason to vote for a certain corporal and his goonies. Overall probably although the butterflies can go either way.
It is mentioned in the book that Germany among other took over transporting goods from the United States, so i think they must have done good business. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 4, 2020 9:28:45 GMT
Overall probably although the butterflies can go either way.
It is mentioned in the book that Germany among other took over transporting goods from the United States, so i think they must have done good business.
Well that could help them economically, which might help avoiding Hitler but with both the Us and Japan tied up many nations would be looking for profits, especially with the over-supply of ships at this time. Despite a significant decline in the early 30's OTL the British merchant fleet still had about 33% of world shipping in 1939 and it has economy of scale and often very cheap costs/wages so its likely to gain a very large share of such business. At least unless the US makes private 1-1 deals with foreign nations to manage its exports and for some reason seeks to exclude the UK. Also given the RN's size both combatants might prefer using British shipping where they can for commercial shipping as its the nation who's flag is most likely to be respected. I.e. a legal blockade with stop and search rather than attacks on merchant shipping anywhere near a combatants waters. This is going to be an issue as there will be merchant shipping passing the US coastal regions, such as to Canada or Japanese controlled regions, such as to China which will be strictly neutral so there are markets there where British flagged and associated shipping is likely to have an advantage, even when having no direct contact with either combatant.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jan 29, 2021 16:44:29 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2021 17:44:02 GMT
Thanks for the link, always interesting to see what people have to say about The Great Pacific War, by Hector Bywater. So i have the book in paper form but also in E-book form, gillan1220,if you like i can dig something up about the Japanese invasion of the Philippines if you like. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jan 29, 2021 17:51:47 GMT
Thanks for the link, always interesting to see what people have to say about The Great Pacific War, by Hector Bywater. So i have the book in paper form but also in E-book form, gillan1220 ,if you like i can dig something up about the Japanese invasion of the Philippines if you like. Sure thing. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2021 17:52:52 GMT
Thanks for the link, always interesting to see what people have to say about The Great Pacific War, by Hector Bywater. So i have the book in paper form but also in E-book form, gillan1220 ,if you like i can dig something up about the Japanese invasion of the Philippines if you like. Sure thing. No problem, will start right at it, might take some time but i think it is nice to see. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2021 18:22:48 GMT
The 1st Battle of the Philippines (March 11th 1931 to March 19th 1931)
Location
Philippines.
Date of the battle
March 11th 1931 to March 19th 1931.
Introduction
The Japanese launch their invasion of the Philippines.
Order of battle
Japanese Expeditionary Force
5 divisions onboard 24 transport ships, with an approximate strength of 100,000 men (A Japanese division is usually made up of two brigades of infantry, one regiment each of cavalry and artillery, one battalion each of engineers and train, together with chemical warfare (gas) and motor machine-gun sections.
Four tank regiments (30 light “Atsuta” tanks).
Aircraft carrier Matsushima (20 planes)
Five transports loaded up with army aircraft (180).
2 battlecruisers and large numbers of cruisers and destroyers.
United States: Philippine Department
8,000 United States regulars (including 10 field batteries of four guns each, 3 mountain batteries, 12 mobile 6-inch guns on caterpillar mounts and six 8-inch guns on railway mounts).
2,000 United States marines.
7,000 Filipinos scouts and militia.
Outcome of the battle
Japanese strategic and tactical victory.
Losses suffered during the battle
11,000 Japanese sailors, soldiers and officers killed.
15,000 United States and Filipinos soldiers and officers killed.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jan 29, 2021 18:37:09 GMT
The 1st Battle of the Philippines (March 11th 1931 to March 19th 1931)LocationPhilippines. Date of the battleMarch 11th 1931 to March 19th 1931. IntroductionThe Japanese launch their invasion of the Philippines. Order of battleJapanese Expeditionary Force5 divisions onboard 24 transport ships, with an approximate strength of 100,000 men (A Japanese division is usually made up of two brigades of infantry, one regiment each of cavalry and artillery, one battalion each of engineers and train, together with chemical warfare (gas) and motor machine-gun sections. Four tank regiments (30 light “Atsuta” tanks). Aircraft carrier Matsushima (20 planes) Five transports loaded up with army aircraft (180). 2 battlecruisers and large numbers of cruisers and destroyers. United States: Philippine Department8,000 United States regulars (including 10 field batteries of four guns each, 3 mountain batteries, 12 mobile 6-inch guns on caterpillar mounts and six 8-inch guns on railway mounts). 2,000 United States marines. 7,000 Filipinos scouts and militia. Outcome of the battleJapanese strategic and tactical victory. Losses suffered during the battle11,000 Japanese sailors, soldiers and officers killed. 15,000 United States and Filipinos soldiers and officers killed. In this scenario, the Philippines would fall faster than OTL. If we follow reality, the Philippine Commonwealth Army was not established until 1935. Even during its early years from 1935-1942, the PCA suffered from using outdated equipment. Though for this speculative future history, I'm not sure if the author would have predicted that the Commonwealth of the Philippines would have a reorganized military by this hypothetical 1931. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2021 19:00:03 GMT
The 1st Battle of the Philippines (March 11th 1931 to March 19th 1931)LocationPhilippines. Date of the battleMarch 11th 1931 to March 19th 1931. IntroductionThe Japanese launch their invasion of the Philippines. Order of battleJapanese Expeditionary Force5 divisions onboard 24 transport ships, with an approximate strength of 100,000 men (A Japanese division is usually made up of two brigades of infantry, one regiment each of cavalry and artillery, one battalion each of engineers and train, together with chemical warfare (gas) and motor machine-gun sections. Four tank regiments (30 light “Atsuta” tanks). Aircraft carrier Matsushima (20 planes) Five transports loaded up with army aircraft (180). 2 battlecruisers and large numbers of cruisers and destroyers. United States: Philippine Department8,000 United States regulars (including 10 field batteries of four guns each, 3 mountain batteries, 12 mobile 6-inch guns on caterpillar mounts and six 8-inch guns on railway mounts). 2,000 United States marines. 7,000 Filipinos scouts and militia. Outcome of the battleJapanese strategic and tactical victory. Losses suffered during the battle11,000 Japanese sailors, soldiers and officers killed. 15,000 United States and Filipinos soldiers and officers killed. Though for this speculative future history, I'm not sure if the author would have predicted that the Commonwealth of the Philippines would have a reorganized military by this hypothetical 1931. True, he most likely looked at was available in 1925 and used that for what would be available in 1931. The 7,000 Filipinos scouts and militia are mostly the Philippine Scouts, Googling i see that in 1922 they consisted of the: 31st ,43rd, 45th, and 57th Infantry regiments. 26th Cavalry regiment. 23rd and 24th Field Artillery regiments. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jan 29, 2021 19:07:17 GMT
Though for this speculative future history, I'm not sure if the author would have predicted that the Commonwealth of the Philippines would have a reorganized military by this hypothetical 1931. True, he most likely looked at was available in 1925 and used that for what would be available in 1931. The 7,000 Filipinos scouts and militia are mostly the Philippine Scouts, Googling i see that in 1922 they consisted of the: 31st ,43rd, 45th, and 57th Infantry regiments. 26th Cavalry regiment. 23rd and 24th Field Artillery regiments. Most likely would be using horses or armed horse-drawn vehicles instead of motorized vehicles. I remember the Philippines only received a single FT-17 in mid-1941, while the M3 Stuarts only arrived just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. These would probably be issued with leftover bolt-action rifles and MGs from World War I. Photo: A machine gun of the 26th Cavalry mounted on a Carretela/Kalesa (Horse-drawn carriage), in the Philippines, circa 1931 Link: First FT-17 in the Philippines, 1941. Photo: 26th Cavalry (PS) [Philippine Scouts] moving into Pozorrubio pass a General Stuart light tank, M3, January 1, 1942. ( Wikimedia)  |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2021 19:19:34 GMT
True, he most likely looked at was available in 1925 and used that for what would be available in 1931. The 7,000 Filipinos scouts and militia are mostly the Philippine Scouts, Googling i see that in 1922 they consisted of the: 31st ,43rd, 45th, and 57th Infantry regiments. 26th Cavalry regiment. 23rd and 24th Field Artillery regiments. Most likely would be using horses or armed horse-drawn vehicles instead of motorized vehicles. I remember the Philippines only received a single FT-17 in mid-1941, while the M3 Stuarts only arrived just before the attack on Pearl Harbor. These would probably be issued with leftover bolt-action rifles and MGs from World War I. Photo: A machine gun of the 26th Cavalry mounted on a Carretela/Kalesa (Horse-drawn carriage), in the Philippines, circa 1931Link: First FT-17 in the Philippines, 1941. Photo: 26th Cavalry (PS) [Philippine Scouts] moving into Pozorrubio pass a General Stuart light tank, M3, January 1, 1942. ( Wikimedia) Well the problem is that we need to use the date for 1925 to use it for the 1931 invasion of the 1st Battle of the Philippines. Would love to post the pieces of the E-book version here but it would be a copyright violation and against the rules of the forum to do so. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jan 30, 2021 3:57:29 GMT
Well the problem is that we need to use the date for 1925 to use it for the 1931 invasion of the 1st Battle of the Philippines. Would love to post the pieces of the E-book version here but it would be a copyright violation and against the rules of the forum to do so. I'll try to find a copy of this book. In the meantime, what becomes of the British, Dutch, and French colonies in this 1931 war? |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 30, 2021 7:45:49 GMT
In the meantime, what becomes of the British, Dutch, and French colonies in this 1931 war? Nothing, they are neutral in the war which is solely a war between the United States and Japan. |
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