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Post by lordroel on Apr 14, 2024 8:54:16 GMT
Since we got listed the Naval Bases and ICBM Sites during 2ACW wondering they controlled key Air Force Bases and Army Bases of the former United States Armed Forces. Think the four factions are in control of any Army, Air force ore any other installation that is in their zone of control. |
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Post by spiegel on Apr 14, 2024 9:50:56 GMT
the small arms of the former US Armed Forces been used on each factions and they bring back the world war 2 stocks and put it to use once more and captured weapons from the cold war and gulf war got pressed into service.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 14, 2024 10:03:45 GMT
the small arms of the former US Armed Forces been used on each factions and they bring back the world war 2 stocks and put it to use once more and captured weapons from the cold war and gulf war got pressed into service. And of course there are factories that produce weapons, small arms are a lot located as this map shows: Firearm Manufacturing Moves South in the Florida Alliance, Loyalist (United States) and Western Forces - CalTex.  |
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Post by stevep on Apr 14, 2024 12:46:22 GMT
What happen to the US Overseas like in Okinawa South Korea and Ramstein it will get a powder keg on those troops and alleigances during the 2ACW. Think we see them move back to the United States ore being kicked out.
It would probably depend on the stance of the commanders and how many of the forces in such locations strongly disagree with that stance. Plus possibly the view of the host nations, which will include the significant bases in Japan as well. I think the hosts would seek to avoid any clashes on their territory and if it comes to returning forces to the states then who decides where they go? Is the loyalist government, the host government - which could depend on which if any of the factions they recognise as the legitimate one or the commanders of the forces involved.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is what happens with the boomers, specifically those out on patrol when the war begins? Who controls communications with them and what do the commanders decide to do?
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Post by stevep on Apr 14, 2024 12:48:56 GMT
the small arms of the former US Armed Forces been used on each factions and they bring back the world war 2 stocks and put it to use once more and captured weapons from the cold war and gulf war got pressed into service.
I don't think there's much in the way of WWII stockpiles left but at least a few years back there were older units in storage including a massive site somewhere in the deserts of the SW where a lot of old but still viable and potentially powerful a/c located. Think it was literally hundreds of planes. That could become a target, especially for the Caltex forces if it looks like a long war could occur.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 14, 2024 18:32:12 GMT
the small arms of the former US Armed Forces been used on each factions and they bring back the world war 2 stocks and put it to use once more and captured weapons from the cold war and gulf war got pressed into service. I don't think there's much in the way of WWII stockpiles left but at least a few years back there were older units in storage including a massive site somewhere in the deserts of the SW where a lot of old but still viable and potentially powerful a/c located. Think it was literally hundreds of planes. That could become a target, especially for the Caltex forces if it looks like a long war could occur.
Well we do not know for how long the Second Civil War lasted, but what i have seen and read so far, it might be going on for at least 2 years before the Battle of Washington, D.C which seems to be the end in the movie, but not the Civil War i fear. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 16, 2024 14:42:40 GMT
Just saw the movie today. I'd give it an 8.5/10.
The story seems a bit rushed. I would have wanted to know the lore, backstory, and politics of the 2ACW. However, many would agree that it is left better not to elaborate on how the war started. I was appalled how nasty a 2ACW would be. It won't be like 1861-1865. It would be multiple factions either trying to claim legitimacy and do their own thing.
Plus, the factions presented in the movie have no redeeming qualities.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2024 14:44:57 GMT
Plus, the factions presented in the movie have no redeeming qualities. I agree with that 100 %. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 16, 2024 14:49:54 GMT
Plus, the factions presented in the movie have no redeeming qualities. I agree with that 100 %. I was led to believe that the Western Forces seem to be the "moderate" of the alliance. Their actions during the siege of the White House says otherwise... |
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Post by stevep on Apr 16, 2024 14:52:46 GMT
Just saw the movie today. I'd give it an 8.5/10. The story seems a bit rushed. I would have wanted to know the lore, backstory, and politics of the 2ACW. However, many would agree that it is left better not to elaborate on how the war started. I was appalled how nasty a 2ACW would be. It won't be like 1861-1865. It would be multiple factions either trying to claim legitimacy and do their own thing. Plus, the factions presented in the movie have no redeeming qualities.
Civil wars tend to be nasty by their nature, with nations, communities and even families divided over the issues involved and the USCW was pretty bad so that sounds likely a pretty damning statement about the picture presented in the film.  Hopefully at least part of this is film's tendencies to simplify and go to extremes to make their point in the story. However it does seem from what you say that none of the factions had any real morale basis. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 16, 2024 14:58:58 GMT
Just saw the movie today. I'd give it an 8.5/10. The story seems a bit rushed. I would have wanted to know the lore, backstory, and politics of the 2ACW. However, many would agree that it is left better not to elaborate on how the war started. I was appalled how nasty a 2ACW would be. It won't be like 1861-1865. It would be multiple factions either trying to claim legitimacy and do their own thing. Plus, the factions presented in the movie have no redeeming qualities.
Civil wars tend to be nasty by their nature, with nations, communities and even families divided over the issues involved and the USCW was pretty bad so that sounds likely a pretty damning statement about the picture presented in the film. Hopefully at least part of this is film's tendencies to simplify and go to extremes to make their point in the story. However it does seem from what you say that none of the factions had any real morale basis. It's unlikely the civil war ends by the time the WF would capture the White House. If you saw the map, the CONUS is very divided. The NYT journalist even mentioned about the WF and the FA immediately turning into each other once D.C. falls. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2024 14:59:01 GMT
However it does seem from what you say that none of the factions had any real morale basis. One of the characters in the movie says it himself, when Western Forces ore Florida Alliance get control of Washington, D.C. and the president, they will go after each other. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 16, 2024 15:04:22 GMT
Guys, I think your getting into spoiler territory? Not a great issue for me as I won't be watching it until it comes out on TV and possibly not then but might affect other people.
It does sound like the big winners would be China, Russia and possibly Canada if they can incorporate the refugees from the US seeking a stable life.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 16, 2024 15:06:03 GMT
Guys, I think your getting into spoiler territory? Not a great issue for me as I won't be watching it until it comes out on TV and possibly not then but might affect other people. It does sound like the big winners would be China, Russia and possibly Canada if they can incorporate the refugees from the US seeking a stable life.
It is not much a spoiler, if you look on the map, with 3 versus 1, in the end the 3 others will fight each other. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 16, 2024 16:05:29 GMT
Guys, I think your getting into spoiler territory? Not a great issue for me as I won't be watching it until it comes out on TV and possibly not then but might affect other people. It does sound like the big winners would be China, Russia and possibly Canada if they can incorporate the refugees from the US seeking a stable life.
It is not much a spoiler, if you look on the map, with 3 versus 1, in the end the 3 others will fight each other.
Ah I hadn't realised that the other two factions were fully allied with Caltex or whatever we're calling it.
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Hopefully at least part of this is film's tendencies to simplify and go to extremes to make their point in the story. However it does seem from what you say that none of the factions had any real morale basis.