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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 9:05:38 GMT
At this point, it is very much the British Empire, not just a single island state off the Continent; this is reflected in the general descriptive discourse of the time. Nomenclature aside, the IJA is likely to be too spooked by Khalkin Gol to go to war with the USSR and, at the moment, their choices are a death ride into the teeth of a prepared British/Commonwealth force or something like the TBOverse fizzle. Question, are the DE islands OTL size ore DE size. Would DE British Empire allow Japan to trade scarp metal and oil, part of the reason of the Pacific War among others. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 9:28:47 GMT
Britain, Ireland and Lyonesse are all their larger DE size, along with the smaller islands.
As said before, the DE Britain of 1943 has no love or sympathy for Japan, so there is no grounds for selling them scrap or oil, even if there was a surplus.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 9:29:56 GMT
Britain, Ireland and Lyonesse are all their larger DE size, along with the smaller islands. Is that not going to cause some issue with the rest being OTL size. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 9:44:24 GMT
They take up a larger part of the seas in their location, but not a huge factor.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 9:47:22 GMT
They take up a larger part of the seas in their location, but not a huge factor. So no touching OTL places then like Iceland ore even France which would be kinda problematic for the British, if the Germans had the strength to push into DE Britain. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 10:32:43 GMT
No, a 60% larger Britain doesn’t touch Iceland, given that the @ distance from John O’Groats to Iceland is 554km. Nor does it touch France, with the English Channel being its @ width; the extra size of the British Isles sticks out more into the Atlantic west and north.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 11:02:36 GMT
No, a 60% larger Britain doesn’t touch Iceland, given that the @ distance from John O’Groats to Iceland is 554km. Nor does it touch France, with the English Channel being its @ width; the extra size of the British Isles sticks out more into the Atlantic west and north. What about the OTL BEF, are they stuck in France still ore have i missed something. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 11:27:25 GMT
Evacuation of the BEF from Dunkirk in @ finished on June 4, 10 days prior to the ISOT. The remaining forces in Brittany under downtime Brooke (52 ID, 1AD, 1 CDN, Beauman) have been outlined above.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 11:28:50 GMT
Evacuation of the BEF from Dunkirk in @ finished on June 4, 10 days prior to the ISOT. The remaining forces in Brittany under downtime Brooke (52 ID, 1AD, 1 CDN, Beauman) have been outlined above. Okay. thanks for the responds, sorry if i ask so much, even question which seems i can read if i just read you previous responds. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 11:44:27 GMT
It is alright. Questions allow for refinement of the idea, as well as showing what things can be emphasised.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 12:25:19 GMT
French orders of aircraft historically taken over by Britain:
229 P-36 Mohawk
230 P-40 Kittyhawk
75 Martin Maryland
400 Martin Baltimore
510 Douglas Boston
British LL of US aircraft
Douglas Boston: 455
Lockheed Hudson: 1007
Martin Baltimore: 1160
Vultee Vengeance: 1064
North American A-36 Apache: 1
B-17: 162
B-24: 2140
B-25: 807
B-26: 510
B-34: 103
R-4: 52
R-6: 27
L-1: 20
L-5: 100
L-7: 19
C-43: 103
C-45: 416
C-47: 2035
C-54: 11
C-60: 47
C-61: 809
C-64: 18
C-87: 24
AT-6: 2775
AT-7: 5
AT-11: 1
AT-17: 189
AT-19: 497
PT-24: 200
PT-26: 1675
PT-27: 17
CG-4A: 740
2701 P-39
2799 P-40
P-47: 825
P-51: 2244
P-59: 1
P-63: 87
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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 12:27:35 GMT
French orders of aircraft historically taken over by Britain: 229 P-36 Mohawk 230 P-40 Kittyhawk 75 Martin Maryland 400 Martin Baltimore 510 Douglas Boston British LL of US aircraft Douglas Boston: 455 Lockheed Hudson: 1007 Martin Baltimore: 1160 Vultee Vengeance: 1064 North American A-36 Apache: 1 B-17: 162 B-24: 2140 B-25: 807 B-26: 510 B-34: 103 R-4: 52 R-6: 27 L-1: 20 L-5: 100 L-7: 19 C-43: 103 C-45: 416 C-47: 2035 C-54: 11 C-60: 47 C-61: 809 C-64: 18 C-87: 24 AT-6: 2775 AT-7: 5 AT-11: 1 AT-17: 189 AT-19: 497 PT-24: 200 PT-26: 1675 PT-27: 17 CG-4A: 740 2701 P-39 2799 P-40 P-47: 825 P-51: 2244 P-59: 1 P-63: 87 I assume that some type of OTL planes are not as good as DE fighters. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 12:36:30 GMT
Those are all the @ US aircraft that won't be needed and will in all likelihood be cancelled, along with any orders for tanks, small arms and artillery, the very thought of the Destroyers for Bases deal and even the June/July delivery of surplus rifles and 75mm guns.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 31, 2023 12:38:49 GMT
Those are all the @ US aircraft that won't be needed and will in all likelihood be cancelled, along with any orders for tanks, small arms and artillery, the very thought of the Destroyers for Bases deal and even the June/July delivery of surplus rifles and 75mm guns. If DE Britain does not need OTL United States as much and if OTL Japan has doubts to go to war with the United States and thus DE British empire, i can assume OTL United States will remain isolationist. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 31, 2023 12:41:53 GMT
We shall see; the size of the British military and the implications of their 'arrival' might change things.
Even if Japan don't go to war in the exact same fashion, they are on a collision course with the English speaking democracies.
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