NYC secedes from the US in early 1861

In "Decades of Darkness", the North American War ends when the *Americans control the place where NY's water comes from. As interesting as the PoD is: How could they prevent this from happening?

The union in 1861 had only 42 active vessels and 48 in reserves which only 3 were suitable for blockade service. With new york city out of the picture, this would immediately hurt the union. With the empire state haveing to deal with seperatism then other states will follow suit or have greater success such as Maryland, southern California etc

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Sorry, only deleted what i assumed was a double post.

It would not be easy to form a story of how the NYC secessionist movement succeeded. However, I think we have ruled it would be possible. The free city doesn't have to win everyone's hearts in New York City. Rather, they
He had the backing of the most powerful men in the city with influence elsewhere in New York State, which he achieved, as previously discussed. However, there would be many people in New York and the United States who would be neutral to fighting and just trying to get by another day, whether they be sailors who are at a loss to Lincoln's protectionist tariffs and the South separating from the union or they be jobs depending on southern and international trade who aren't sailors.

If a free city could be established, other northern business people would flock to the town to avoid their market losses. In the American Revolution demographic changes allowed flocks of loyalist to seek refuge in British controlled cities particularly New York City we would see the same with copperheads and some peace democrats digitalcommons.library.umaine.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1108&=&context=mainehistoryjournal&=&sei-redir=1&referer=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252Furl%253Fq%253Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.library.umaine.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%25253Farticle%25253D1108%252526context%25253Dmainehistoryjournal%2526sa%253DU%2526ved%253D2ahUKEwitzN6m562DAxVnjYkEHWGwDfM4FBAWegQICxAB%2526usg%253DAOvVaw0YZmOg-MrbhvvLUM3AZuJs#search=%22https%3A%2F%2Fdigitalcommons.library.umaine.edu%2Fcgi%2Fviewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1108%26context%3Dmainehistoryjournal%22

It is to be remembered the nativists, who made up much of the Republican Party during this time, had substantial, if not dominant, powers in the northeast, particularly New England.

www.nps.gov/articles/irish-soldiers-in-the-union-army.htm
(From national park service reference article
Colonel Corcoran refused to march the regiment on parade for the 19-year old Prince of Wales, who was visiting New York City at the time, as a protest to the ineffective British response to the Irish Famine. Corcoran was removed from command and a court martial was pending over the matter when the Civil War began. With the outbreak of war, the charges were dropped and Corcoran was allowed to take his command perhaps he would not have been allowed back In good grace for only allowed if he was to cooperate with the secessionist At this time the New York City militia was under the local control which assumes it would go with the city separation .

Now if the CSA and New York City combined could adequately pay these Irish troops they have them selves in army.


The immigrants had grounds to fear a union war to establish northern and party domination against the South, which could allow Yankee values and other policies to be forced upon the American people. Northerns who who felt so strongly to fight for the CSA in New York and elsewhere would take up arms to defend the city with the confederacy orgaizeing a possible army of Manhattan made up of Northerners altamontenterprise.com/05172021/confederate-attic-southern-general-upstate-new-york
smallstatebighistory.com/im-good-old-rebel-ocean-state-confederates/

The movement would reach out to the merchants who were bringing immigrants to the city as Tammany Hall could earn the support of this movement, which, during the late 1850s, he received before his scandals when he formed a third-party faction known as Mozart Hall. I again remind people the climate of politics would have to be different for this to work, and historically, Davis purchased weapons and other supplies from the north before Fort Sumter.

Here are some interesting facts about this scenario: 1. While a reference and not a primary source, it is interesting that the 19th-century novel copperhead, later made into a movie, was written by Harold Fredrick and takes place in upstate New York.

As for the town line, while it is mostly a myth, there can be more truth in this alternate history, especially had there been a battle of Bull Run historically or if the CSA had taken DC, which could have militarily happened, although it is a separate discussion if the CSA could have taken dc.

If the csa had a bargening chip to get the south to be let go of new york city possibly would separate it the south won a major victory

This comes in handy labtisjardim.tripod.com/HarborDefenseMuseum/id52.htm

William B. Johns, 3rd Infantry, is the commander at Fort Hamilton; this makes it very feasible another fort could be in confederate hand.

(Captain, 3d Infantry, Dec. 4, 1847)

Mis., 1848; on frontier duty at San Antonio, Tex., 1848‑49, — March to El Paso, 1849‑50, — Ft. Bliss, Tex., 1850, — San Elizario, Tex., 1850‑51, — Ft.


Bliss, Tex., 1851, — Ft. Conrad, N. M., 1851, — Albuquerque, N. M., 1851, — Ft. Defiance, N. M., 1851‑52, — Camp Vigilance, N. M., 1852, — and Ft. Fillmore, N. M., 1853‑56; in garrison at New York harbor, 1856‑59; on frontier duty at Ft. Defiance, N. M., 1859, — Expedition against Tuni-cha Navajo Indians, Nov. 1859, — Ft. Defiance, N. M., 1859‑60, being engaged, Apr. 30, 1860, in the defense of that work against the Navajo Indians, — March to Texas, 1860, — Ringgold Barracks, Tex., 1860‑61, — Ft. Clark, Tex., 1861, — and Ft. Brown, Tex., 1861; and in garrison at Ft. Hamilton, N. Y., 1861.

Dropped, Apr. 11, 1861,

for "having declined the command of his company, when ordered on a particular service" (to proceed to Ft. Pickens, Fla.). He, however, did not join in the Rebellion against the United States. Residence, Georgetown, D. C.

Fort Tompkins (Staten Island Forts Richmond later changed to (renamed Fort Wadsworth in 1865 add her and battery weed. well I cannot find the commanding officer there seem to be enough union officers that would be of that equivalent captains and lieutenants etc. majors. The outcome would likely be a confederate victory or a secessions movement victory as there are people in the fort who are sympathetic as they are from the south.

Fort Hamilton was built to guard fort Lafayette as it was vulnerable from being shelled by land .


The confederates or secessionist would only have to have artillery and bombarded fort surrounding by
land.

Fort Sandy hook and what would eventually be fort Wadsworth
cannot find the commanding officer but the forts had southern officers and this minuscule command I believe with a show of

force would surrender as there seems to be enough sympathy among the higher ranking officers who have authority to command. Many US officers wanted to surrender the four throughout the very early American chapter of the Civil War, as many of them were sympathetic, or wanted to prevent bloodshed.

Most enlisted men were made up of immigrants who were Irish and German beg the civil war.

The Arsenal on Governor Island is also In marching distance from Fort Columbus. I’m not sure if the other fort is in the majors command perhaps not. Told you wrong Holmes was not a major general during that time very few were. Of the generals in charge of the eastern department the latter is a Yankee
• Bvt. Brig. Gen. James Bankhead 1854–1856(born in Virginia )
* Major. Gen. John E. Wool 1857 – Aug 17, 1861 The good news is the eastern department is all the way in Troy New York probably allowing The possibility of the secessionist to seize federal property.If the separatist are able to take the arsenal they can rightly have the strength to take Brooklyn naval yard. I looked it up the commander of fort Lafayette during the Civil War was only the rank of lieutenant perhaps The lack of federal troops present encourages these rebels