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Post by 575 on May 5, 2023 19:43:37 GMT
Not the Rifle - Submachineguns were being introduced. Besides this there had been made contracts for 9 more Armoured Cars from Landsverk, Sweden, 12 Macchi 200 Fighter Aircraft for the Navy Airarm besides 12 Fairey P4/34 Observation/Attack Aircraft also for the Navy. The Army were building at least 12 probably 24/36 (sources differ) Fokker G-1 Aircraft but hadn't secured the necessary number of engines...
Well things have changed, for now i think artillery, machine guns are the way to go. Absolutely - the Armed Forces will get whats needed. Some Army Gunsmith Lt. Sætter-Lassen designed this:
post WWII. Got directed to it at ze other site. Another possible would be the Aircraft version of the Madsen:
belt-fed - 1000 rpm.
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Post by lordroel on May 5, 2023 19:52:14 GMT
Well things have changed, for now i think artillery, machine guns are the way to go. Absolutely - the Armed Forces will get whats needed. Some Army Gunsmith Lt. Sætter-Lassen designed this: post WWII. Got directed to it at ze other site. Another possible would be the Aircraft version of the Madsen: belt-fed - 1000 rpm.
What about the Weibel M/1932, yes according to this site ( THE DANISH WEIBEL M/1932) design ended sometime between 1936 and 1939 but it could be handy if production restarts again.  |
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Post by 575 on May 5, 2023 20:39:39 GMT
Absolutely - the Armed Forces will get whats needed. Some Army Gunsmith Lt. Sætter-Lassen designed this: post WWII. Got directed to it at ze other site. Another possible would be the Aircraft version of the Madsen: belt-fed - 1000 rpm.
What about the Weibel M/1932, yes according to this site ( THE DANISH WEIBEL M/1932) design ended sometime between 1936 and 1939 but it could be handy if production restarts again. Madsen Light - eh. Well personally I'd go for a belt-fed chambered for the round of the standard Infantry rifle. It makes for flexibility and less diversity in logistics.
Besides the rifle/MG ammo You'd need 9mm Parabellum for the MP and pistols, 81mm Mortar rounds, 20mm for Autocannon and four shells for Artillery: 37mm AT/HE, 75mm, 105mm and 155mm.
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Post by miletus12 on May 5, 2023 20:59:29 GMT
Absolutely - the Armed Forces will get whats needed. Some Army Gunsmith Lt. Sætter-Lassen designed this: post WWII. Got directed to it at ze other site. Another possible would be the Aircraft version of the Madsen: belt-fed - 1000 rpm.
What about the Weibel M/1932, yes according to this site ( THE DANISH WEIBEL M/1932) design ended sometime between 1936 and 1939 but it could be handy if production restarts again. The recoil on that thing made it "dubious". I would recommend the Danes work on improving the current Madsen. It is heavy, but that is its saving grace, when it comes to recoil. As for that machine gun stand, it looks suspicously like the mounts the Holek brothers designed for the ZB-53, which the Germans also "borrowed".  |
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2023 9:03:23 GMT
Besides the rifle/MG ammo You'd need 9mm Parabellum for the MP and pistols, 81mm Mortar rounds, 20mm for Autocannon and four shells for Artillery: 37mm AT/HE, 75mm, 105mm and 155mm.
Wich i hope is all produced by Dansk Ammunitionsfabrik (Danish Ammunition Factory), which checking is the only producer for ammunition in Denmark 1940, but i could be wrong. |
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Post by miletus12 on May 6, 2023 11:10:33 GMT
Besides the rifle/MG ammo You'd need 9mm Parabellum for the MP and pistols, 81mm Mortar rounds, 20mm for Autocannon and four shells for Artillery: 37mm AT/HE, 75mm, 105mm and 155mm.
Wich i hope is all produced by Dansk Ammunitionsfabrik (Danish Ammunition Factory), which checking is the only producer for ammunition in Denmark 1940, but i could be wrong. Hmmm. How is the Danish chemistry? |
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Post by stevep on May 6, 2023 13:42:32 GMT
Copenhagen PM's office 11 May 1940/ 4 March 1864 PM Stauning greeted his guest A.P. Møller, shipping magnate and armsdealer. PM Stauning: ”Dear A.P. Møller thank you for taking some time out Your calender” A.P. Møller: ”I don't expect You to just inviting me for pleasantries?” PM Stauning: ”Indeed not; so far we haven't had any reason to interfere with Your arms deals but please notify us if You at any other time is going to supply some warring party with Machineguns.” A.P. Møller: ”Well You didn't interfere with our sales to Russia or Germany during the Great War – why this caution.” PM Stauning: ”No we did not – we were living in a known world. Russo-Japanese War a world away and then we had to stay on good terms with Imperial Germany to get supplies of mainly coal as You well remember.. This is another world that live by other rules. I just like to know what is going on so I know if there's some issues to stay clear of.” A.P. Møller: ”Well – that sounds fair. I just want to see the USA we know thrive and if possible put an end to the slaughter over there. At least shorten the War so we may get on to rebuilding whats been destroyed and we will be able to have our society work as we want it.” PM Stauning: ”Good. Anyway it is going to be another USA – they won't get the Danish influx from Schleswig this time around. I don't mind this if it will help us get out of the crisis with lack of imports to keep industry going and refill the Treasury.” A.P. Møller: ”Refill the Treasury – well that remark was a deliberate.” PM Stauning: ”I miss 13,75 tons of Bouillon and 8 tons of Coin; Director of National Bank Bramsnæs is doing what he can to refill the vault.” A.P. Møller: ”So there really isn't backing for an exchange of notes to gold? I see; thats why You ordered any tax incurred from trade in the 1864 World be paid in Gold or Silver.. Hmm, makes sense.. If You don't block my sales to the USA I'm not gonna let this out – if You do I won't feel obliged..” PM Stauning: ”Fine I expected that. Just remember even the Conservatives and Liberals if in power will need to do just the same.... You know the Army is wanting a new Rifle and other stuff. The Navy wants more ships. We have to adapt to this world we've ended up in. Not only do have to patrol the Northatlantic but also the Caribbean. I understand You get paid to some degree in metals by the USA?” A.P. Møller: ”Well I need those to keep production up and running. I understand the Army and Navy will work with Bofors for new Artillery – could You do something about the Norwegian sulpur, manganese, iron ore and copper? I really need that – so does the Forces and I am the major supplier for them in arms.” PM Stauning: ”I'll notify the Procurement Commission of Your being let in on its daily work – guess You have somebody to fill a seat?” A.P. Møller: ”Thank you for your direct approach. My son Arnold need to get into the real world of finance and trade – I'll let him prove his worth. Will let the finance department contact the Treasury about the payment of US deals in Gold and Silver. Could anybody of the Army Technical Division forward what they are wanting? We might as well get going – that way we may sell off some of the old Army equipment. Guess there's lots of costumers out there. By the way the Austrian Government have inquired about bolt-action rifles – would any warbooty be up for sale?” PM Stauning: ”I'll ask MoD Christmas Møller to get in touch with You about that – think he said something about storing 25,000 Prussian Rifles..”
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By patrol the Atlantic is that they intend to dominate it or simply maintain secure access to Danish possessions and protect their trading links?
Also why are they seeking metal from the US when the UK is a much better source at this time. Assuming this is referring to processed metals rather than raw ores. In the latter case the US is a better source.
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Post by 575 on May 6, 2023 15:43:45 GMT
Wich i hope is all produced by Dansk Ammunitionsfabrik (Danish Ammunition Factory), which checking is the only producer for ammunition in Denmark 1940, but i could be wrong. Hmmm. How is the Danish chemistry?It's been working since 1676.
During my time with the Airforce we were told that the Ammunitionsarsenalet at Frederikshavn manufactured and reloaded all kinds of munitions in use with Danish Defence - remember National Security. No more said. Actually only written about since 2006.
According to Salomonsens Konversationsleksikon 2.edition 1915-30 the Army Rifle Factory had been working at Copenhagen since 1676. It was founded for manufacture of gunpowder so as to be independent of outside suppliers. This happy situation was tested during WWI when the ARF manufactured all munitions. During WWII occupation the factory was sabotaged during 1945. 1968 the ARF moved to Frederikshavn where it operated till it was sold to Spanish Expal 2008.
Now Government/Min of Defence are pondering to reopen manufacture.
Text available in Danish/Norwegian. Sorry very limited written on subject.
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Post by 575 on May 6, 2023 15:45:57 GMT
Copenhagen PM's office 11 May 1940/ 4 March 1864 PM Stauning greeted his guest A.P. Møller, shipping magnate and armsdealer. PM Stauning: ”Dear A.P. Møller thank you for taking some time out Your calender” A.P. Møller: ”I don't expect You to just inviting me for pleasantries?” PM Stauning: ”Indeed not; so far we haven't had any reason to interfere with Your arms deals but please notify us if You at any other time is going to supply some warring party with Machineguns.” A.P. Møller: ”Well You didn't interfere with our sales to Russia or Germany during the Great War – why this caution.” PM Stauning: ”No we did not – we were living in a known world. Russo-Japanese War a world away and then we had to stay on good terms with Imperial Germany to get supplies of mainly coal as You well remember.. This is another world that live by other rules. I just like to know what is going on so I know if there's some issues to stay clear of.” A.P. Møller: ”Well – that sounds fair. I just want to see the USA we know thrive and if possible put an end to the slaughter over there. At least shorten the War so we may get on to rebuilding whats been destroyed and we will be able to have our society work as we want it.” PM Stauning: ”Good. Anyway it is going to be another USA – they won't get the Danish influx from Schleswig this time around. I don't mind this if it will help us get out of the crisis with lack of imports to keep industry going and refill the Treasury.” A.P. Møller: ”Refill the Treasury – well that remark was a deliberate.” PM Stauning: ”I miss 13,75 tons of Bouillon and 8 tons of Coin; Director of National Bank Bramsnæs is doing what he can to refill the vault.” A.P. Møller: ”So there really isn't backing for an exchange of notes to gold? I see; thats why You ordered any tax incurred from trade in the 1864 World be paid in Gold or Silver.. Hmm, makes sense.. If You don't block my sales to the USA I'm not gonna let this out – if You do I won't feel obliged..” PM Stauning: ”Fine I expected that. Just remember even the Conservatives and Liberals if in power will need to do just the same.... You know the Army is wanting a new Rifle and other stuff. The Navy wants more ships. We have to adapt to this world we've ended up in. Not only do have to patrol the Northatlantic but also the Caribbean. I understand You get paid to some degree in metals by the USA?” A.P. Møller: ”Well I need those to keep production up and running. I understand the Army and Navy will work with Bofors for new Artillery – could You do something about the Norwegian sulpur, manganese, iron ore and copper? I really need that – so does the Forces and I am the major supplier for them in arms.” PM Stauning: ”I'll notify the Procurement Commission of Your being let in on its daily work – guess You have somebody to fill a seat?” A.P. Møller: ”Thank you for your direct approach. My son Arnold need to get into the real world of finance and trade – I'll let him prove his worth. Will let the finance department contact the Treasury about the payment of US deals in Gold and Silver. Could anybody of the Army Technical Division forward what they are wanting? We might as well get going – that way we may sell off some of the old Army equipment. Guess there's lots of costumers out there. By the way the Austrian Government have inquired about bolt-action rifles – would any warbooty be up for sale?” PM Stauning: ”I'll ask MoD Christmas Møller to get in touch with You about that – think he said something about storing 25,000 Prussian Rifles..”
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By patrol the Atlantic is that they intend to dominate it or simply maintain secure access to Danish possessions and protect their trading links?
Also why are they seeking metal from the US when the UK is a much better source at this time. Assuming this is referring to processed metals rather than raw ores. In the latter case the US is a better source.
Steve
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a) Showing the flag and making safe Danish waters and possessions.
b) Processed metals are needed - Denmark don't have the plants to process ore.
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Post by 575 on May 6, 2023 15:49:33 GMT
The recoil on that thing made it "dubious". I would recommend the Danes work on improving the current Madsen. It is heavy, but that is its saving grace, when it comes to recoil. As for that machine gun stand, it looks suspicously like the mounts the Holek brothers designed for the ZB-53, which the Germans also "borrowed". The MG stand looks like the one I've used in the AF but without the trigger-handle. If You look close You'd see it differs quite some from Your uploaded pic. |
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Post by 575 on May 6, 2023 16:35:18 GMT
Somebody at ze other site asked about mining and prospecting in Greenland which led to this post:
Did a quick search on GEUS/Danish - Greenland Geologic Survey Institution.
Coal and Graphite's been mined since 1782/1845. One coal mine actually in opration till 1972.
Kryolite in operation since 1854.
Marble 1934-71.
Copper, Silver, Gold 1851/52 to 1914.
Iron/gold prospecting 1933.
Zirconium 1888-89.
Seems the Lead/Zink/Silver mine at Maamorilik could have been operated prior to OTL 1956 and Uranium at Kvanefjell (there You got it!) prior to 1958.
There was actually lots of press coverage of the prospecting during the 1930's - which I haven't been aware of prior to today - so its not out the window.
Will get a post sometime soon. - here too!
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Post by miletus12 on May 6, 2023 17:34:41 GMT
The recoil on that thing made it "dubious". I would recommend the Danes work on improving the current Madsen. It is heavy, but that is its saving grace, when it comes to recoil. As for that machine gun stand, it looks suspicously like the mounts the Holek brothers designed for the ZB-53, which the Germans also "borrowed". The MG stand looks like the one I've used in the AF but without the trigger-handle. If You look close You'd see it differs quite some from Your uploaded pic.  Something more like that? |
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Post by 575 on May 6, 2023 19:10:26 GMT
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Post by lordroel on May 6, 2023 19:13:31 GMT
Somebody at ze other site asked about mining and prospecting in Greenland which led to this post: Did a quick search on GEUS/Danish - Greenland Geologic Survey Institution. Coal and Graphite's been mined since 1782/1845. One coal mine actually in opration till 1972. Kryolite in operation since 1854. Marble 1934-71. Copper, Silver, Gold 1851/52 to 1914. Iron/gold prospecting 1933. Zirconium 1888-89. Seems the Lead/Zink/Silver mine at Maamorilik could have been operated prior to OTL 1956 and Uranium at Kvanefjell (there You got it!) prior to 1958. There was actually lots of press coverage of the prospecting during the 1930's - which I haven't been aware of prior to today - so its not out the window. Will get a post sometime soon. - here too! So time to send in the 1940 Danish miners to Greenland. What about Iceland. |
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Post by 575 on May 6, 2023 21:10:35 GMT
Somebody at ze other site asked about mining and prospecting in Greenland which led to this post: Did a quick search on GEUS/Danish - Greenland Geologic Survey Institution. Coal and Graphite's been mined since 1782/1845. One coal mine actually in opration till 1972. Kryolite in operation since 1854. Marble 1934-71. Copper, Silver, Gold 1851/52 to 1914. Iron/gold prospecting 1933. Zirconium 1888-89. Seems the Lead/Zink/Silver mine at Maamorilik could have been operated prior to OTL 1956 and Uranium at Kvanefjell (there You got it!) prior to 1958. There was actually lots of press coverage of the prospecting during the 1930's - which I haven't been aware of prior to today - so its not out the window. Will get a post sometime soon. - here too! So time to send in the 1940 Danish miners to Greenland. What about Iceland. Not that many miners to send in - back in the day Norwegians were hired for the job. They have the experience.
The thing about Iceland in a 1864 context is its a fishery and sheep rearing land with very little population 65,000. Still no hydropower or geothermal powerplants - read somewhere that a few hydropower plants was in operation in Greenland 1940 so that may by introduced in both places. Lots of sulphur for gunpowder making.
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