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Post by 575 on Apr 3, 2023 9:18:05 GMT
It may though I didn't expect that from You!
However thanks for the input - made me look up a lot more about the industry of my nation 1940 and finally managed to get info on the Burmeister & Wain furnace.
I live in New York, the land of the Five Families and Donald Trump. Just because I despise criminals and their methods, does not mean that i am unaware of how they work. I take it, you have noticed how Irene Davenport works?
I've noticed but this is my country with a law-abidance since before the flood. We may watch but (generally) don't do. 
BTW regarding your comment on the Kragh-Jørgensen I have something in the pipeline to replace rather soon. The Danish Army well knew it was more than past its prime but having been robbed of funds since the Dark Ages it had to make do; anyway we may sell it to the Union!
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Post by stevep on Apr 3, 2023 16:50:07 GMT
You know your local history and infrastructure better than I do. I am more interested in that electric furnace, because temperature control is the big issue with the properties of steels. The formulas you can read out of a book, but the steel making itself is an art form. For example, to make face hardened cemented armor plate, there was not more than 100 people in the world who knew how to do it right in 1940. Britain had about 20 of them. The Germans had 14, The French had about 12. The Italians *(Ansaldo) had 6. The Japanese had 10. The Czechs (Skoda) had 10. That was 70 artists right there. The rest of the world had to share out the remaining 30 and of those 30 I believe Sweden had 2 and America had 8. Spring steel in bulk is harder to make. You will not duraluminum at all. Not possible before 1898 when Montag Kalibti invents the alloy in Lousiiana of all places. Vulcanized rubber is possible from the United States as of 1850, so tires are not the problem, I thought they would be. I still wonder where Denmark will source its aero engines. The ONLY source that springs to mind is Danish Automobile Building which was building busses between the wars. I think they imported the engines from Germany, but I am sure they had to either make the parts of kept parts on hands for buss engines. So... you have a "small" ICE engine basis.
Well the 2 Swedes are also right across the water. Navy Works used to buy the hardened steel in the USA so we need that expertise. The Swedes usually make fine Guns.
Then we'll do without duraluminium - aluminium as such may also be a problem though we have the Kryolite in South Greenland. Didn't produce aluminium ourselves.
Thanks for the info on vulcanized rubber.
Well I already wrote that - Navy Works will build them. Ellehammer may provide some expertise but the Navy Works did make a fine 6 in-line engine better than the Mercedes deliveries.. It also built radials during WWI though these weren't that special. They did the job in a time of need.
Not currently they aren't as its 1864 in Sweden not 1940.
I think there will have to be some downgrading of forces and industrial capacity as certain currently irreplaceable items wear out but the key thing would be keeping far enough ahead of the neighbours [cough] Prussia [cough] especially. If you can fairly quickly get to say 1890 capacity and then as the major great powers are catching up with that jump to ~1914-18 tech, then repeat for 1940. After that hopefully your established a secure diplomatic and political position that your borders are safe as other, bigger powers catch up and ultimately overtake you. [Without an extremely unlikely spree of imperial conquest Denmark is simply too small demographically and geographically to stay ahead of much larger powers indefiniately]/
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2023 18:19:43 GMT
Copenhagen 14 April 1940/ 6 February 1864 Swedish Envoy Hamilton appeared at the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs presenting his affidavit as outlined by the Swedish King Carl 15. The King empowered his Envoy to act on his behalf as already outlined during their talks. The King showed great interest in development of large caliber Artillery in cooperation with the Ammunitions Arsenalet, Danish Navy Works and Burmeister & Wain the latter the Danish manufacturer of steel with its Siemens-Martin furnace. On the Swedish side Bofors Works would participate as it already was working in the Siemens-Martin and Bessemeer process' to make steel as was the Burmeister & Wain Ship Yard. So what will Sweden take that Norway is no longer part of their union in the future. |
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Post by 575 on Apr 3, 2023 20:23:28 GMT
Copenhagen 14 April 1940/ 6 February 1864 Swedish Envoy Hamilton appeared at the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs presenting his affidavit as outlined by the Swedish King Carl 15. The King empowered his Envoy to act on his behalf as already outlined during their talks. The King showed great interest in development of large caliber Artillery in cooperation with the Ammunitions Arsenalet, Danish Navy Works and Burmeister & Wain the latter the Danish manufacturer of steel with its Siemens-Martin furnace. On the Swedish side Bofors Works would participate as it already was working in the Siemens-Martin and Bessemeer process' to make steel as was the Burmeister & Wain Ship Yard. So what will Sweden take that Norway is no longer part of their union in the future.
They knew from the outset that the Norwegians didn't like the idea of becoming part of Sweden - they have to live with it. Of course they may try change things to keep the Norwegians within the Union. The Norwegians had wanted independence from Denmark too so its in their blood. I'm not so far ahead so haven't given it thought yet.
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Post by 575 on Apr 4, 2023 6:37:27 GMT
Berlin 6 February 1864
It was an ORDER clearly. He looked at the short message once more.
Well You can't win them all. He too knew the history of the Kingdom of Denmark terrorizing the North German Circle for centuries and he had wanted the annoying Kingdom given a HARD lesson. To show what happened if You would mess with Prussia.
It hadn't worked for some unkown reason. At least he didn't know what had inspired the Danes to resort to an efficient offensive operation of the magnitude shown.
Guess v. Molkte regret the day he left Danish Service. What a silly thought but v. Molkte was also a fool – writing of the past. His interest in Trains was a consoling point.
He finished his breakfast with a glass of Sekt got his Greatcoat and had his Footman open the door to his Carriage.
No, he wouldn't say or do anything. An order is an order and doesn't invite such. He wouldn't let Him have the pleasure of getting into such comment.
He would walk in listen and obey. Nothing to say no need to fuel His sentiments. Sentiments are useless!
He got off the Carriage and was led in the Palace. All walking down the corridors to the office – His office. Silly sentimental fool.
The door opened and he was led inside. They were there all three of course. In a tight circle talking. No sign of invitation to join. He stopped a couple of paces inside the office and waited. At attention.
It was delivered snappy and short. Well to be expected. Still he didn't answer verbally just nodded slightly, turned around on his right heel waiting for the door to open and then marched out.
No, he had decided not give Him the joy of crying out and ordering him about. Screaming of the loss of 3 Corps – He would have liked that. Just rob Him of it.
As the door closed behind him he walked a little less springy; Brazil! Bowing to that Catholic – He had certainly gotten that right. Count Rechberg* will be all joy now getting the Princes to dance to his tune.
Brazil – what to make of that..
*Austrian Minister of Foreign Affairs
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Post by 575 on Apr 4, 2023 6:46:54 GMT
Copenhagen 14 April 1940/6 February 1864 10PM
Telegramme from Foreign Minister P. Munch, Imperial Diet Frankfurt a.M.
”Let troops on Ostsee Canal fraternize with GC troops south of it – lots of questions by the Princely States about the defeat referenced – Austria anti-Prussia”
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Post by 575 on Apr 5, 2023 8:08:12 GMT
London 15 April 1940/7 February 1864
The Times Editor looked at his staff – no news from Schleswig-Holstein for a week now! Only rumours. Find out whats going on; telegrams are unanswered for the last week - send another Journalist out there but do it - lets get some news for our readers.
Also send a Journalist to Frankfurt a.M. seems odd things are going on there too related to Denmark's.
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Post by stevep on Apr 5, 2023 10:19:02 GMT
Berlin 6 February 1864 It was an ORDER clearly. He looked at the short message once more. Well You can't win them all. He too knew the history of the Kingdom of Denmark terrorizing the North German Circle for centuries and he had wanted the annoying Kingdom given a HARD lesson. To show what happened if You would mess with Prussia. It hadn't worked for some unkown reason. At least he didn't know what had inspired the Danes to resort to an efficient offensive operation of the magnitude shown. Guess v. Molkte regret the day he left Danish Service. What a silly thought but v. Molkte was also a fool – writing of the past. His interest in Trains was a consoling point. He finished his breakfast with a glass of Sekt got his Greatcoat and had his Footman open the door to his Carriage. No, he wouldn't say or do anything. An order is an order and doesn't invite such. He wouldn't let Him have the pleasure of getting into such comment. He would walk in listen and obey. Nothing to say no need to fuel His sentiments. Sentiments are useless! He got off the Carriage and was led in the Palace. All walking down the corridors to the office – His office. Silly sentimental fool. The door opened and he was led inside. They were there all three of course. In a tight circle talking. No sign of invitation to join. He stopped a couple of paces inside the office and waited. At attention. It was delivered snappy and short. Well to be expected. Still he didn't answer verbally just nodded slightly, turned around on his right heel waiting for the door to open and then marched out. No, he had decided not give Him the joy of crying out and ordering him about. Screaming of the loss of 3 Corps – He would have liked that. Just rob Him of it. As the door closed behind him he walked a little less springy; Brazil! Bowing to that Catholic – He had certainly gotten that right. Count Rechberg* will be all joy now getting the Princes to dance to his tune. Brazil – what to make of that.. *Austrian Minister of Foreign Affairs
Would this be a certain Otto getting a new assignment as a result of the war? I had forgotten he had a dislike of Catholics so that would be an additional reason for Brazil being a punishment for him. Also assuming He/Him would be a very less than happy monarch.
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Post by 575 on Apr 5, 2023 16:02:24 GMT
Berlin 6 February 1864 It was an ORDER clearly. He looked at the short message once more. Well You can't win them all. He too knew the history of the Kingdom of Denmark terrorizing the North German Circle for centuries and he had wanted the annoying Kingdom given a HARD lesson. To show what happened if You would mess with Prussia. It hadn't worked for some unkown reason. At least he didn't know what had inspired the Danes to resort to an efficient offensive operation of the magnitude shown. Guess v. Molkte regret the day he left Danish Service. What a silly thought but v. Molkte was also a fool – writing of the past. His interest in Trains was a consoling point. He finished his breakfast with a glass of Sekt got his Greatcoat and had his Footman open the door to his Carriage. No, he wouldn't say or do anything. An order is an order and doesn't invite such. He wouldn't let Him have the pleasure of getting into such comment. He would walk in listen and obey. Nothing to say no need to fuel His sentiments. Sentiments are useless! He got off the Carriage and was led in the Palace. All walking down the corridors to the office – His office. Silly sentimental fool. The door opened and he was led inside. They were there all three of course. In a tight circle talking. No sign of invitation to join. He stopped a couple of paces inside the office and waited. At attention. It was delivered snappy and short. Well to be expected. Still he didn't answer verbally just nodded slightly, turned around on his right heel waiting for the door to open and then marched out. No, he had decided not give Him the joy of crying out and ordering him about. Screaming of the loss of 3 Corps – He would have liked that. Just rob Him of it. As the door closed behind him he walked a little less springy; Brazil! Bowing to that Catholic – He had certainly gotten that right. Count Rechberg* will be all joy now getting the Princes to dance to his tune. Brazil – what to make of that.. *Austrian Minister of Foreign Affairs
Would this be a certain Otto getting a new assignment as a result of the war? I had forgotten he had a dislike of Catholics so that would be an additional reason for Brazil being a punishment for him. Also assuming He/Him would be a very less than happy monarch.
stevep;
Right on all points - Otto v. Bismarck sacked and sent to Brazil. He/Him: William I of Prussia.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 5, 2023 18:07:52 GMT
London 15 April 1940/7 February 1864 The Times Editor looked at his staff – no news from Schleswig-Holstein for a week now! Only rumours. Find out whats going on; telegrams are unanswered for the last week - send another Journalist out there but do it - lets get some news for our readers. Also send a Journalist to Frankfurt a.M. seems odd things are going on there too related to Denmark's. The time they get the news, it will be outdated. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 5, 2023 21:02:17 GMT
London 15 April 1940/7 February 1864 The Times Editor looked at his staff – no news from Schleswig-Holstein for a week now! Only rumours. Find out whats going on; telegrams are unanswered for the last week - send another Journalist out there but do it - lets get some news for our readers. Also send a Journalist to Frankfurt a.M. seems odd things are going on there too related to Denmark's. The time they get the news, it will be outdated.
Not necessarily outdated, at least once telegraph lines to Denmark are restored. However a lot of it will be bloody strange at the very least.
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Post by 575 on Apr 6, 2023 13:23:54 GMT
Den Haag 15 April 1940/ 7 February 1864
Lieutenantgeneral Gørtz arrive by aircraft at Den Haag, Netherlands and is admitted to King Willem II. As the King have heard the news of the Danish defeat of the Austrian and Prussian troops in Schleswig he is most wanting of more information. Due to his interest in all things Military the King is much delighted to get word from a Danish senior Army General Officer; in fact it is the King that is asking to support the Danish and not the other way round which astonish General Gørtz but make his task that much easier.
General Gørtz is asked by the King to provide a Staff Course for Dutch senior Army Officers which request he will present to the Danish Army Commander.
King Willem II allow the Danish Fokker F-XII to enter Dutch airspace for its flight to London. Copenhagen is notified by radio.
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Post by 575 on Apr 6, 2023 13:37:42 GMT
Copenhagen 15 April 1940/ 7 February 1864
PM Stauning was satisfied to receive the telegramme from General Gørtz at Den Haag – he would leave the request for a Staff Officers course for 1864 Nations to MoD Christmas Møller and General Prior. They would know what to fill into such curriculum.
Now regarding getting Oil and Vulcanized rubber import from USA initiated – what to trade in? His immediate thought was about medical equipment. Information on the Civil War, murder of President Lincoln post war.
Perhaps some US officers allowed to attend courses at Danish Army Academy along the Dutch.
The USA Minister to Copenhagen mr. Ray Atherton had been at the Foreign Ministry a couple of times inquiring about Machineguns, munitions and medical knowledge such as anastetics and surgery which would be much needed by his Nations military. He had also brought up Wireless Telegraphy which would make the US Navy much more efficient in tracking down CSA Blockaderunners and raiders of Caribbean shipping which would also be to the benefit of Denmarks.
Stauning asked the Foreign Ministry Director Scavenius to summon the USA Minister to work out a scheme for contacting the USA Government and President Lincoln to initiate trade between the two countries.
Min. of Procurement Søren Brorsen would be asked to find suitable shipping for such an endeavour – a Steam Tanker and a Steamer.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 6, 2023 14:08:13 GMT
Den Haag 15 April 1940/ 7 February 1864 Lieutenantgeneral Gørtz arrive by aircraft at Den Haag, Netherlands and is admitted to King Willem II. As the King have heard the news of the Danish defeat of the Austrian and Prussian troops in Schleswig he is most wanting of more information. Due to his interest in all things Military the King is much delighted to get word from a Danish senior Army General Officer; in fact it is the King that is asking to support the Danish and not the other way round which astonish General Gørtz but make his task that much easier. General Gørtz is asked by the King to provide a Staff Course for Dutch senior Army Officers which request he will present to the Danish Army Commander. King Willem II allow the Danish Fokker F-XII to enter Dutch airspace for its flight to London. Copenhagen is notified by radio. Netherlands on the side of Denmark will force Prussia to move some troops to the border with the Netherlands. |
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Post by 575 on Apr 6, 2023 16:33:54 GMT
Den Haag 15 April 1940/ 7 February 1864 Lieutenantgeneral Gørtz arrive by aircraft at Den Haag, Netherlands and is admitted to King Willem II. As the King have heard the news of the Danish defeat of the Austrian and Prussian troops in Schleswig he is most wanting of more information. Due to his interest in all things Military the King is much delighted to get word from a Danish senior Army General Officer; in fact it is the King that is asking to support the Danish and not the other way round which astonish General Gørtz but make his task that much easier. General Gørtz is asked by the King to provide a Staff Course for Dutch senior Army Officers which request he will present to the Danish Army Commander. King Willem II allow the Danish Fokker F-XII to enter Dutch airspace for its flight to London. Copenhagen is notified by radio. Netherlands on the side of Denmark will force Prussia to move some troops to the border with the Netherlands.
And it was all unintentional! Just for the need of free airspace. As I understand Denmark of 1940 imported cereals from the Netherlands mainly I assume for fodder to keep the Beef export going. Any info on trade would be most welcome.  Would there be any interest in Danish bicycles? |
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