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Post by Max Sinister on Jan 20, 2024 11:33:36 GMT
AHC: a super competent Red Army With any PoD, make the Red Army of 1941 as combat capable as the Wehrmacht. Have Tukhachevsky putsch against Stalin. That's a necessity, but may not suffice.
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Post by Max Sinister on Jan 20, 2024 11:43:09 GMT
What if Clement Attlee appointed Ernest Bevin to Exchequer and Hugh Dalton to Foreign Office, as originally planned?
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Post by stevep on Jan 20, 2024 14:08:49 GMT
‘Largest Possible NASA Budget?’. None too big at the moment IOTL, at least compared to other departments.
In what time period? If from the 'golden age' say during the Apollo period then somehow win or give up on S Vietnam before the end of the 60's which avoids the resultant deaths, fiscal costs and discrediting the government. Have a charismatic leader argue successfully for the future of the US to be in space and in technological progress and continued efforts in at least near Earth orbit - markedly more than OTL. This could both set the foundation for a lot of other effort in space and possibly lure the Soviets into a new space race which consumes resources leading to say an earlier economic collapse? [Rather than the Star Wars dead end under Reagan you get something which has constructive results, especially if it also leads to more advances in technology with more general use.
More recently you would have to greatly weaken the idea that only private industry is worthy of support so that NASA could actually get the funding for more than occasional scientific missions.
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Post by Max Sinister on Feb 8, 2024 23:00:12 GMT
Read today that Nikola Tesla's library was returned to Yugoslavia after his death in 1943.
Which makes me wonder what'd happen in ATLs. Esp. "Nazis win" ATLs. Would the US government have prevented giving his library to Ustasha Croatia? Sure, the Nazis might ignore the work of an eccentric Slav, and the Commies didn't seem to have done anything with it IOTL - but that's not 100% sure.
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Post by Max Sinister on Feb 12, 2024 19:12:44 GMT
WI the Nazis had putsched in 1930 after federal elections, when everyone was shocked about their victory?
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Post by stevep on Feb 13, 2024 0:09:16 GMT
WI the Nazis had putsched in 1930 after federal elections, when everyone was shocked about their victory?
Technically while they had greatly increased their vote and number of MPs - albeit not as high as in 1932 at their peak they were still a good way short of any majority.
I would suspect that, especially with the SA as their formal strong-arm element their likely to upset a lot of people on the right as well as the left and you could see Hindenburg calling in the army to suppress the coup attempt. I can't really see them winning at this point as the country is in enough trouble with the depression without a bunch of extremist seeking to seize power.
In the longer run this could be for good or ill. At worst you get some militaristic extremists gaining significant support and having a good bit of the Nazi's expansionists ideas without their bat-shit ideas in many areas so they could be distinctly more dangerous. However you could see the Vimar Republic survive or some more moderate grouping seizing power but not doing anything to rock the boat internationally too much.
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Post by Max Sinister on Feb 22, 2024 7:07:28 GMT
Since I'm pondering about it in the SCOTUS thread: Is a Republican POTUS in 1944 possible? Maybe if the war is won already (for whatever reasons), so there's no need to keep FDR anymore, and even if he runs again, he loses just like Churchill in 1945?
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Post by stevep on Feb 22, 2024 19:36:08 GMT
Since I'm pondering about it in the SCOTUS thread: Is a Republican POTUS in 1944 possible? Maybe if the war is won already (for whatever reasons), so there's no need to keep FDR anymore, and even if he runs again, he loses just like Churchill in 1945?
Not with a late PoD I think unless there's something that really, really screws the credibility of either FDR or his designated successor. The Republicans were seen as responsible for the near decade of suffering in the depression and Roosevelt had lead the US through the greatest war it had ever been involved in and left it the only great power left in the world with none of the devastation and few of the deaths that just about everybody else had had.
Two scenarios come to mind. a) Roosevelt keeps Henry Wallace as his VP then dies at a stage where Wallace automatically becomes the Democratic candidate. Then there's a big exposure of the amount of soviet espionage in the country, with some allegations about Wallace himself.
b) Say the war is still on-going and although the allies will probably be on top they have suffered a lot of set-backs, especially for the US, much of which is blamed on Roosevelt. Possibly some big disaster's in the Pacific and a failed landing in N France coupled with the Germans somehow getting on top of the US bomber campaign and inflicting heavy casualties on the Us in the process. Again possibly coupled with some scandal associated with whoever the Democratic candidate is. [In this case Roosevelt might not be standing again or under the greater stress his health fails earlier.
Not sure if either route is that practical but what comes to mind.
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Post by Max Sinister on Feb 26, 2024 1:28:48 GMT
Ever heard of the Blacker Bombard? When it was tested on August 18th in 1940, Churchill and some other important people were there. As a matter of fact, the 23 pound projectile missed Smuts and exploded next to de Gaulle.
Now choose your favorite PoD.
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Post by stevep on Feb 26, 2024 13:59:32 GMT
Ever heard of the Blacker Bombard? When it was tested on August 18th in 1940, Churchill and some other important people were there. As a matter of fact, the 23 pound projectile missed Smuts and exploded next to de Gaulle. Now choose your favorite PoD.
That raises some fascinating options. You get a lot of scenarios on Hitler being killed earlier, probably due to the large number of assassination attempts that all failed. However for Churchill or other leading allied leaders its less common.
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Post by Max Sinister on Mar 6, 2024 23:34:29 GMT
"The Day the Music Died". You know about it: Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and The Big Bopper died on the same day in 1959.
But if it hadn't happened: how exactly would this influence the world of music, just in general? Would people listen more to music all in all, because there are more great musicians around? Would newer musicians (Elvis, Beatles, Stones!) have less success, because fans will rather side with the musicians they know and love already?
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Post by stevep on Mar 7, 2024 16:27:57 GMT
"The Day the Music Died". You know about it: Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and The Big Bopper died on the same day in 1959. But if it hadn't happened: how exactly would this influence the world of music, just in general? Would people listen more to music all in all, because there are more great musicians around? Would newer musicians (Elvis, Beatles, Stones!) have less success, because fans will rather side with the musicians they know and love already?
Gut feeling is that those guys surviving are likely to have a big impact on music, especially in the US and it could mean the counter-culture in the 1960's is a big weaker. However thing that especially outside the US there are likely to be artists emerging that would make their own impacts on international music developing from the popular music in the US. Likely to see a number of people wanting to express their own identities both as artists and also with a national identity and again the most likely place where this is going to start would be Britain because of the common language and also its still considerable economic and cultural influence in this time period.
Plus 1959 is late enough that Elvis is likely to still emerge and also a number of the OTL explosion of British artists. For instance Cliff Richard was already making waves and appearing in films by 1958. - As his wiki entry says:
Similarly for Elvis
As such I think the move to OTL 1960's rock and roll is still pretty certain to occur and a lot of the OTL figures or people very similar to emerge.
PS - with the Beatles.
They might not be the very names that emerge, especially if say some accident/event caused one or more to have their career terminated early but your likely to see something similar.
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Post by Max Sinister on Mar 10, 2024 4:49:30 GMT
stevep, yes, with a PoD in 1959 that's very likely. Of course, we also have to wonder about TLs with a PoD after the birth of these musicians, but before 1959. The event would probably be butterflied away.
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Post by Max Sinister on Mar 20, 2024 1:00:10 GMT
WI Wilhelm I had stepped back in 1871 (yes, before becoming kaiser) and let "Fritz" handle this, as he had considered?
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Post by 575 on Mar 20, 2024 7:57:37 GMT
WI Wilhelm I had stepped back in 1871 (yes, before becoming kaiser) and let "Fritz" handle this, as he had considered? Now that's interesting - a liberal Kaiser. So a more federated Reich? Without a strong Chancellor and certainly not Bismarck! Possibly no Kulturkampf and no Berlin Conference though perhaps a more unruly Europe? Just some thoughts on a quick read-up.
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