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Post by Max Sinister on Mar 21, 2024 7:27:23 GMT
WI Wilhelm I had stepped back in 1871 (yes, before becoming kaiser) and let "Fritz" handle this, as he had considered? Now that's interesting - a liberal Kaiser. So a more federated Reich? Without a strong Chancellor and certainly not Bismarck! Possibly no Kulturkampf and no Berlin Conference though perhaps a more unruly Europe? Just some thoughts on a quick read-up.
Many people have had similar ideas. I just learned recently that even old Wilhelm wasn't that keen on becoming kaiser.
Of course, we all know that it was Bismarck who did all the important decisions in Prussia, and he didn't like Friedrich for obvious reasons.
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Post by stevep on Mar 21, 2024 9:43:45 GMT
WI Wilhelm I had stepped back in 1871 (yes, before becoming kaiser) and let "Fritz" handle this, as he had considered? Now that's interesting - a liberal Kaiser. So a more federated Reich? Without a strong Chancellor and certainly not Bismarck! Possibly no Kulturkampf and no Berlin Conference though perhaps a more unruly Europe? Just some thoughts on a quick read-up.
I don't know how easily he would be able to remove Bismarck, at least in the short term, as he was in a strong position having been the effective leader of the wars that had made Prussia/Germany the most powerful state in Europe and brought about the much desired unification. It would be a rocky relationship and you might see Bismarck resign after a while but that would be at least a couple of years down the line I suspect.
Frederick would definitely be more liberal but the army has gained a lot of influence and prestige. I wouldn't rule out a strong Chancellor although he might be a more liberal one who is an ally of the emperor.
The question might be does Frederick still die of throat cancer in 1888 and if so has his son changed personality that much? He could have simply hardened his views in opposition to his father now being Kaiser. However a decade or two under a more liberal Kaiser might mean more progressive ideas and policies have been more established which could cause tensions under Wilhelm II.
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 31, 2024 2:49:54 GMT
'AHC: More Chinese War Dead in Second Sino-Japanese War'.
For context, I recall OTL China suffered somewhere shy of 20 million dead (at least, according to the "official" stats out there).
However, that's still a few million less than the Soviet Union (26 million dead), which actually kinda' surprises me. With a country as overpopulated as China and a ferocious invader like Japan, you'd expect them to have more war dead than everyone else (rather than "merely" coming in a close second).
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Post by stevep on Mar 31, 2024 11:22:43 GMT
'AHC: More Chinese War Dead in Second Sino-Japanese War'. For context, I recall OTL China suffered somewhere shy of 20 million dead (at least, according to the "official" stats out there). However, that's still a few million less than the Soviet Union (26 million dead), which actually kinda' surprises me. With a country as overpopulated as China and a ferocious invader like Japan, you'd expect them to have more war dead than everyone else (rather than "merely" coming in a close second).
Its possibly difficult to tell because the country was in such chaos even before the Japanese invasion with assorted warlords and a civil war between the KMT and the communists. Also with the relative backwardness figures are probably unavailable. Also while the Japanese were savage, especially in areas where they were attacking they probably relied on locals a lot for food and the like so they couldn't destroy everything. Furthermore possibly the Chinese government, like the Soviet one for a while after WWI - which claimed only ~7 million deaths - are under-reporting deaths to make the country look stronger?
Quite likely, because of the duration of the war, from 1937-1945 and the size of the population that more people in China died than in the USSR but its probably going to be virtually impossible, especially so long after the war ended, to ever know for sure.
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 14, 2024 3:12:08 GMT
Once I read that Ike had stated: If the V1 had been ready six months earlier, D-Day would have failed. Think he's right? WI this happened?
(On an unrelated note, I read in some novel that the Germans also shot some V1s at Paris, but couldn't confirm this. Do you know more?)
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Post by stevep on Apr 14, 2024 13:41:52 GMT
Once I read that Ike had stated: If the V1 had been ready six months earlier, D-Day would have failed. Think he's right? WI this happened? (On an unrelated note, I read in some novel that the Germans also shot some V1s at Paris, but couldn't confirm this. Do you know more?)
I recall reading that somewhere as well. Would say its difficult to tell but definitely would make things significantly tougher for Britain and forces based there. Hitler largely targeted London which reduced the damage to other areas which might have been more important such as the southern ports. However the weapons were pretty inaccurate and that was made worse by British control of the German spy ring in the UK which meant Berlin was fed false info that the V1's were flying further than they actually were. Which meant the Germans sought to reduce the range so many fell short. This took some pressure off London - at some cost for the areas south of the city - and this would probably have been even more important if Germany has sought to target southern ports as many would have ended up in the Channel. Also the ADUK [Air Defence UK] system caught a lot of V1's between aircraft and AA Guns.
It did also tie down a lot of allied tactical bombers and escorts as targeting V1 sites became a very high priority and this was likely to become worse if the V1 had been deployed in significant numbers months earlier, especially since the total numbers being launched by summer 44 are likely to be larger than OTL.
One other point is when did Ike make that comment and under what circumstances? If it was before the landings - which he had fears of then failing we must recall - that could be a different thing to making it post war when more information was available. Also there could be some political maneuvering involved if say, aware of the concerns in Britain about the attacks, was seeking to gain influence so that bomber elements eager to continue the strategic bombing campaign needed their arms twisted to commit serious forces to attacking V1 launch sites.
My gut feeling is that while it would have increased the death toll and destruction in Britain, especially in London and neighbouring regions it wouldn't have prompted Overlord to fail but that's a feeling from an amateur and could well be wrong.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Apr 15, 2024 10:18:59 GMT
AHC: Have at least one country in ww2 deploy a tank with an autoloader.
Didn't the Czechs experiment with autoloaders in the 1930s?
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 20, 2024 17:48:36 GMT
‘AHC: More Neo-Nazi Insurgents After World War II’.
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 20, 2024 23:06:50 GMT
‘AHC: More Neo-Nazi Insurgents After World War II’. Did you read Turtledove's "Man with the Iron Heart"?
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 21, 2024 20:08:35 GMT
‘AHC: More Neo-Nazi Insurgents After World War II’. Did you read Turtledove's "Man with the Iron Heart"?
No, can’t say I have. Doesn’t it start with Heydrich surviving the assassination attempt that killed him IOTL? And then, leading an insurrection against the Allied occupation after Germany capitulated?
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 24, 2024 16:53:40 GMT
Did you read Turtledove's "Man with the Iron Heart"?
No, can’t say I have. Doesn’t it start with Heydrich surviving the assassination attempt that killed him IOTL? And then, leading an insurrection against the Allied occupation after Germany capitulated? Exactly, on both cases. But now a new idea: In 1852, Austrian PM Schwarzenberg died. Why I'm mentioning him? After the failed revolution of 1848, Prussia had attempted a kleindeutsche solution, forming the Erfurter Union in 1849. In the punctuation of Olmütz, Schwarzenberg cut this development short. (His plan: Creating a greater Austria, which the Hungarian and Italian parts joining the German Confederation.) After this embarrassing situation, many considered Prussia nothing but a mediocre state.
But then he died, as said, and later we got Bismarck etc. That's why I'm asking: WI he had been alive and in power for at least one more decade?
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Post by stevep on Apr 24, 2024 22:39:39 GMT
No, can’t say I have. Doesn’t it start with Heydrich surviving the assassination attempt that killed him IOTL? And then, leading an insurrection against the Allied occupation after Germany capitulated? Exactly, on both cases. But now a new idea: In 1852, Austrian PM Schwarzenberg died. Why I'm mentioning him? After the failed revolution of 1848, Prussia had attempted a kleindeutsche solution, forming the Erfurter Union in 1849. In the punctuation of Olmütz, Schwarzenberg cut this development short. (His plan: Creating a greater Austria, which the Hungarian and Italian parts joining the German Confederation.) After this embarrassing situation, many considered Prussia nothing but a mediocre state.
But then he died, as said, and later we got Bismarck etc. That's why I'm asking: WI he had been alive and in power for at least one more decade?
The big problems were that: a) Austria was increasingly crippled by its multi-national empire as both nationalism and the need for better education became increasingly important. On the latter point its bloody difficult if you have a dozen or more languages for anything from operating an army, or normal business activities to education in the 1st place. The solution such as it was that most important activities would be done in German or [after 1867 especially] Hungarian only entrenched the power of those two groups and the alienation of the other populations. Again with that grow of national identity Austria was increasingly seen by many other Germans, if not most of the other rulers, as not a suitable centre for a German state because of its vast numbers of non-Germans.
b) That Prussia not only had a more culturally and linguistically population but a better educated one with a centralized bureaucracy and as it turned out a better resource base for an industrial revolution greatly boost the relative power of Prussia compared to Austria. c) That the multi-national structure of Austria meant those minorities with fellow nationalities outside the empire could look to them for support - the most obvious case here being the Italians in the rich Lombardy and Venice provinces, especially as much of Italy unified.
Austria really needed deep root and branch reform of its government structure and aims which was very difficult. Also it would need to decide whether it was a German state or a multi-national empire and what choice its leadership made was towards the latter which seemed to be the wrong one. At least in terms of it staying as the dominant power in Germany.
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 25, 2024 1:25:12 GMT
Exactly, on both cases. But now a new idea: In 1852, Austrian PM Schwarzenberg died. Why I'm mentioning him? After the failed revolution of 1848, Prussia had attempted a kleindeutsche solution, forming the Erfurter Union in 1849. In the punctuation of Olmütz, Schwarzenberg cut this development short. (His plan: Creating a greater Austria, which the Hungarian and Italian parts joining the German Confederation.) After this embarrassing situation, many considered Prussia nothing but a mediocre state.
But then he died, as said, and later we got Bismarck etc. That's why I'm asking: WI he had been alive and in power for at least one more decade?
The big problems were that: a) Austria was increasingly crippled by its multi-national empire as both nationalism and the need for better education became increasingly important. On the latter point its bloody difficult if you have a dozen or more languages for anything from operating an army, or normal business activities to education in the 1st place. The solution such as it was that most important activities would be done in German or [after 1867 especially] Hungarian only entrenched the power of those two groups and the alienation of the other populations. Again with that grow of national identity Austria was increasingly seen by many other Germans, if not most of the other rulers, as not a suitable centre for a German state because of its vast numbers of non-Germans.
b) That Prussia not only had a more culturally and linguistically population but a better educated one with a centralized bureaucracy and as it turned out a better resource base for an industrial revolution greatly boost the relative power of Prussia compared to Austria. c) That the multi-national structure of Austria meant those minorities with fellow nationalities outside the empire could look to them for support - the most obvious case here being the Italians in the rich Lombardy and Venice provinces, especially as much of Italy unified.
Austria really needed deep root and branch reform of its government structure and aims which was very difficult.
Maybe a strong PM like Schwarzenberg might pull it off. And if he can't, it's really impossible.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 25, 2024 18:22:53 GMT
‘William McKinley Never Assassinated’.
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Post by stevep on Apr 25, 2024 20:16:07 GMT
‘William McKinley Never Assassinated’.
Well that might scuttle the career of Teddy Roosevelt as he was a balance pick to appear to reformists. Without McKinley's assassination he might never be more than a VP, which was until recently a very minor role. Plus if there's clashes between Teddy and the bulk of the establishment over the difference on matter such as breaking up cartels and restricting the power of big business blocs that could further undermine his chances of becoming a major candidate when McKinley ceases to become President. That's the most obvious thing that comes to mind.
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