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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 17:25:37 GMT
British India from 1880 to 80 AD
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 17:27:39 GMT
British India from 1880 to 80 AD Long live the British India Empire.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 17:38:14 GMT
British India from 1880 to 80 AD Long live the British India Empire. Why not Indian India?
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 17:39:22 GMT
Long live the British India Empire. Why not Indian India? That would mean the Indians have mange to overthrow British rule in India.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 17:50:14 GMT
That would mean the Indians have mange to overthrow British rule in India. Or the British assimilated
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 21:08:35 GMT
WI: Napoleon's Egyptian fleet and army end up in Japan in 799 AD.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 21:09:27 GMT
WI: Napoleon's Egyptian fleet and army end up in Japan in 799 AD. Is Napoleon on board.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 22:51:08 GMT
WI: Napoleon's Egyptian fleet and army end up in Japan in 799 AD. Is Napoleon on board. Yep. Just give the best place for landing
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 23:13:57 GMT
Ok. Best place to land is Kyoto
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Post by stevep on Jan 15, 2022 16:00:51 GMT
That would mean the Indians have mange to overthrow British rule in India. Or the British assimilated
Would agree. Some might fight to the end to try and preserve their separate identity and or dominance but their simply too small and isolated a minority. This would be the case even if it was the directly ruled areas that were sent back, leaving behind the princely states. You might get a residue of Britons heading for probably Australia as somewhere they could settle and develop as a national group, although they would be likely to see a significant technology drop in the 1st couple of generations. Some might go back to Britain itself but not sure if anything other than a sailing ship would have the range and they would be a small number going to a Britain ruled by Rome at its height with no English settlement and the actual Scoti -ancestors of the Scots - still in N Ireland. Plus with Christianity still being a small isolated sect their going to be very isolated.
One thing you get in some ISOT's and could occur here is that some British and possibly other groups could have a big impact as mercenaries/advisors in neighbouring states. Not sure what happens elsewhere but to the NW you have the Pathians in Iran/Mesopotamia, a bit further west if you go up the Red Sea and you have the Romans in Egypt. To the east I don't know the status of SE Asia - other than Burma which is ruled from India at this point and hence I assume is brought along but further NE and you have the Latter Han in China.
India will dominate this world for the foreseeable future unless it totally fouls things up which seem unlikely. As well as a very large population it has a much greater technology base being in the industrial era. There might be a short term drop in technology because some items might not be available in India but it won't be massive and they will still be way ahead of everything else around the world in 80AD. Even with possibly British groups spreading some technology and if they include engineers I doubt they would be able to pass the full tech package so to speak to anyone else. Although they might make it close enough that if either Rome or China gave enough support they could give India a fight. However passing on enough metallurgy and other technology to be able to produce muskets let alone rifles. Or railways and steamships probably. This is almost certainly an Indian world for the next few centuries unless they get really divided. Mind you the interaction between Hindu and Muslims could be interesting here, as could be the latter's reaction to an Earth 500+ before Muhammad?
One other point that just occurred to me. Checking the treaty that ended the war with Nepal resulted in Britain gaining suzerainty over Nepal. If that meant Nepal was brought along as well that could make for an interesting world with late 19thC Gurkhas about!
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Post by stevep on Jan 15, 2022 16:12:43 GMT
Ok. Best place to land is Kyoto
Probably the best location although was that still held by the Ainu at this point? - Checking not as the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan#Prehistoric_to_classical_history, mentions the capital was moved to Kyoto in 794 so only 5 years before. Actually isn't Kyoto inland so a landing there could be interesting.
The French are a bloody long way from home, both chronologically and geographically and I wonder if they can work out the date as well as the location their suddenly ended up. Might be able to do the latter by recognising star patterns. They do have a lot of intellectuals in the company who were there to explore Egypt who might be of use. Whether they can reproduce enough technology to maintain muskets and related technology would be the key issue in the longer term.
Mind you assuming they still have the ships then they have by a long way the most powerful navy in the world at this time. As long as they don't lose most/all of them in some sort of disaster they could end up with contact with China and other areas which would tell them a lot. - Sudden image of Napoleon ending up seeking to invade western Europe - which might occur about the time Charlemagne dies! Or they stay in the east and establish a powerful state there.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 16:14:01 GMT
Or the British assimilated
Would agree. Some might fight to the end to try and preserve their separate identity and or dominance but their simply too small and isolated a minority. This would be the case even if it was the directly ruled areas that were sent back, leaving behind the princely states. You might get a residue of Britons heading for probably Australia as somewhere they could settle and develop as a national group, although they would be likely to see a significant technology drop in the 1st couple of generations. Some might go back to Britain itself but not sure if anything other than a sailing ship would have the range and they would be a small number going to a Britain ruled by Rome at its height with no English settlement and the actual Scoti -ancestors of the Scots - still in N Ireland. Plus with Christianity still being a small isolated sect their going to be very isolated.
One thing you get in some ISOT's and could occur here is that some British and possibly other groups could have a big impact as mercenaries/advisors in neighbouring states. Not sure what happens elsewhere but to the NW you have the Pathians in Iran/Mesopotamia, a bit further west if you go up the Red Sea and you have the Romans in Egypt. To the east I don't know the status of SE Asia - other than Burma which is ruled from India at this point and hence I assume is brought along but further NE and you have the Latter Han in China.
India will dominate this world for the foreseeable future unless it totally fouls things up which seem unlikely. As well as a very large population it has a much greater technology base being in the industrial era. There might be a short term drop in technology because some items might not be available in India but it won't be massive and they will still be way ahead of everything else around the world in 80AD. Even with possibly British groups spreading some technology and if they include engineers I doubt they would be able to pass the full tech package so to speak to anyone else. Although they might make it close enough that if either Rome or China gave enough support they could give India a fight. However passing on enough metallurgy and other technology to be able to produce muskets let alone rifles. Or railways and steamships probably. This is almost certainly an Indian world for the next few centuries unless they get really divided. Mind you the interaction between Hindu and Muslims could be interesting here, as could be the latter's reaction to an Earth 500+ before Muhammad?
One other point that just occurred to me. Checking the treaty that ended the war with Nepal resulted in Britain gaining suzerainty over Nepal. If that meant Nepal was brought along as well that could make for an interesting world with late 19thC Gurkhas about! One thing to note is that India is not a unified nation. There are Punjabis, Gujaratis, Marathis, Bengalis, Tamils, Malayalis, Nepalis etc. It was only the later struggle against the British (and figures like Gandhi and Nehru) who forged them into a single nation
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 15, 2022 17:19:28 GMT
WI: Tibet from 1950 moves to 1500 BC
WI: DR Congo from 1961 moved to 961 BC (minus whites).
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 16, 2022 1:44:43 GMT
'1942 US And Nazi Germany To 1914'.
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Post by miletus12 on Jan 16, 2022 8:07:27 GMT
Ok. Best place to land is Kyoto The best place to land is Kogashima Bay. Napoleon's army would not have to meet 300,000 Samurai on the beach. He establishes a beachhead and an anchorage amongst mostly fishing villages. There is iron and coal nearby.
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