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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 24, 2020 16:15:41 GMT
The USA as of March 13, 2002 is ISOT-ed to 1942. With the War on Terror currently in full swing, the United States finds itself ina much different setting: a war it fought roughly 60 years ago and with it, 60 years worth of being the most powerful nation in the world. This is from this scenario: www.changingthetimes.net/samples/asb/isot_american_2002.htmWhat are your thoughts? |
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Post by ssgtc on Sept 28, 2020 15:20:42 GMT
The war ends in 6 months. Tops. The M1 Abrams is immune to every weapon the axis has short of battleship ship caliber guns. A modern platoon has more firepower than a WWII company. Body armor and optics will give American infantry a huge advantage on the battlefield. Comms are a million times more advanced. American bombers will be dropping precision guided weapons from 40,000+ feet, well out of range of axis fighters and AAA. USAF and USN fighters will sweep axis air forces from the skies in days. In short, it's a bloodbath.
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Post by american2006 on Sept 28, 2020 17:49:58 GMT
US drops a nuke on Germany. War ends there. US is twice as dominant as OTL. This probably goes in ASB though.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 28, 2020 17:55:17 GMT
The USA as of March 13, 2002 is ISOT-ed to 1942. With the War on Terror currently in full swing, the United States finds itself ina much different setting: a war it fought roughly 60 years ago and with it, 60 years worth of being the most powerful nation in the world. This is from this scenario: www.changingthetimes.net/samples/asb/isot_american_2002.htmWhat are your thoughts? Thread moved to Aliens, Magic and other Weird Stuff. |
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Post by ssgtc on Sept 28, 2020 19:08:26 GMT
US drops a nuke on Germany. War ends there. US is twice as dominant as OTL. This probably goes in ASB though. I don't think they would actually. If the weapons from 2002 were ISOT'd to 1942, then yeah, FDR is nuking Germany, Japan and Italy. But with the entire US going to 42? I don't see Americans from 2002 dropping a nuke when they can curbstomp everyone in the world combined conventionally. |
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Post by american2006 on Sept 28, 2020 19:18:35 GMT
US drops a nuke on Germany. War ends there. US is twice as dominant as OTL. This probably goes in ASB though. I don't think they would actually. If the weapons from 2002 were ISOT'd to 1942, then yeah, FDR is nuking Germany, Japan and Italy. But with the entire US going to 42? I don't see Americans from 2002 dropping a nuke when they can curbstomp everyone in the world combined conventionally. Sure, but someone might get shot. This is easier. The US would probably occupy all of Germany Japan and Italy though, and leave the USSR, UK, and others in the cold. The USSR might get overthrown too. |
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Post by Zyobot on Sept 28, 2020 19:21:54 GMT
I don't think they would actually. If the weapons from 2002 were ISOT'd to 1942, then yeah, FDR is nuking Germany, Japan and Italy. But with the entire US going to 42? I don't see Americans from 2002 dropping a nuke when they can curbstomp everyone in the world combined conventionally. Sure, but someone might get shot. This is easier. The US would probably occupy all of Germany Japan and Italy though, and leave the USSR, UK, and others in the cold. The USSR might get overthrown too. What about drone strikes directed at Axis heads of state, though? With their all-important leadership decapitated with blinding suddenness and impossible precision, that's bound to do a number on morale, even if not initiate unconditional surrender altogether. |
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Post by american2006 on Sept 28, 2020 19:23:14 GMT
Sure, but someone might get shot. This is easier. The US would probably occupy all of Germany Japan and Italy though, and leave the USSR, UK, and others in the cold. The USSR might get overthrown too. What about drone strikes directed at Axis heads of state, though? With their all-important leadership decapitated with blinding suddenness and impossible precision, that's bound to do a number on morale, even if not initiate unconditional surrender altogether. This is true. But there’s going to be a purge of Axis and Soviet civilians by the US for war crimes, etc. like the Holocaust. |
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Post by ssgtc on Sept 28, 2020 19:29:29 GMT
I don't think they would actually. If the weapons from 2002 were ISOT'd to 1942, then yeah, FDR is nuking Germany, Japan and Italy. But with the entire US going to 42? I don't see Americans from 2002 dropping a nuke when they can curbstomp everyone in the world combined conventionally. Sure, but someone might get shot. This is easier. The US would probably occupy all of Germany Japan and Italy though, and leave the USSR, UK, and others in the cold. The USSR might get overthrown too. By that reasoning, why didn't we nuke Iraq or Afghanistan? Nuclear weapons are not first resort weapons. They are last resort options. Bush isn't nuking Germany or Japan. He's used to thinking of Germany and Japan as allies, not bitter enemies. |
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Post by Zyobot on Sept 28, 2020 19:29:41 GMT
What about drone strikes directed at Axis heads of state, though? With their all-important leadership decapitated with blinding suddenness and impossible precision, that's bound to do a number on morale, even if not initiate unconditional surrender altogether. This is true. But there’s going to be a purge of Axis and Soviet civilians by the US for war crimes, etc. like the Holocaust. I suppose that with the benefit of knowledge uncovered over sixty years after the fact, there are more people who'll face punishment this time who managed to escape it IOTL.
What you mention about the Soviets facing prosecution reminded me of how 2002 America actually went beyond just defeating the Axis here. Those involved in planning and carrying out the Holodomor and the Katyn massacre will no doubt pay for their crimes, not to mention the bureaucracy in charge of the infamous GULAGs.
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Post by oscssw on Sept 28, 2020 20:11:51 GMT
What about drone strikes directed at Axis heads of state, though? With their all-important leadership decapitated with blinding suddenness and impossible precision, that's bound to do a number on morale, even if not initiate unconditional surrender altogether. This is true. But there’s going to be a purge of Axis and Soviet civilians by the US for war crimes, etc. like the Holocaust. I doubt the drone strikes are the answer but I wish they were. In both Nazi Germany and Japan there are plenty of just as evil bastards as the OTL leaders and a few who actually might be a lot worse.
If anyone would benefit from a drone strike, for the sake of basic justice, it would be Mao, Uncle Joe (Stalin) and Hitler.
With the greatest possibility of a material decrease in deaths goes to Mao and Hitler. Joe had already done a major portion of his mass murdering by 1942.
Mao 35-45 MILLION Two more recent accounts give what are widely regarded as the most credible numbers. One, in 2008, is by the Chinese journalist Yang Jisheng, who estimates that 35 million died. Hong Kong University’s Frank Dikötter has a higher but equally plausible estimate of 45 million. Besides adjusting the numbers upward, Dikötter and others have made another important
STALIN 20 to 32 MILLION Robert Conquest gives a carefully accumulated total for the Stalin years (at least 20,000,000 killed)7; and in his samizdat translated into English, Dyadkin, a Soviet geophysicist, did a demographic analysis of excess Soviet deaths, 1926 to 1954, and concluded that Soviet repression killed 23,100,000 to 32,000,000 Soviet citizens over this 29-year period.
Hitler 21 MILLION These genocides cost the lives of probably 16,315,000 people. Most likely the Nazis wiped out 5,291,000 Jews, 258,000 Gypsies, 10,547,000 Slavs, and 220,000 homosexuals. They also "euthanized" 173,500 handicapped Germans. Then in repression, terrorism, reprisals, and other cold-blooded killings done to impose and maintain their rule throughout Europe, the Nazis murdered more millions including French, Dutch, Serbs, Slovenes, Czechs, and others. In total, they likely annihilated 20,946,000 human beings
From 20,946,000 Victims:
Nazi Germany
1933 To 1945*
By R.J. Rummel
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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 29, 2020 10:50:37 GMT
George W. Bush vs the Axis. America at this time is still reeling from 9/11 so military preparedness is on point.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 29, 2020 14:09:01 GMT
George W. Bush vs the Axis. America at this time is still reeling from 9/11 so military preparedness is on point. What about US forces of 2002 who where abroad, where they also brought along to 1942. |
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Post by american2006 on Sept 29, 2020 14:25:57 GMT
George W. Bush vs the Axis. America at this time is still reeling from 9/11 so military preparedness is on point. What about US forces of 2002 who where abroad, where they also brought along to 1942. That said, what becomes of US forces abroad in 1942? |
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Post by gillan1220 on Sept 29, 2020 14:57:02 GMT
George W. Bush vs the Axis. America at this time is still reeling from 9/11 so military preparedness is on point. What about US forces of 2002 who where abroad, where they also brought along to 1942. I need a recap of if they were brought. But it appears so... |
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