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Post by simon darkshade on May 2, 2022 8:13:46 GMT
alternate-timelines.proboards.com/thread/3003/dark-earth-history-aircraft-carrier?page=31&scrollTo=96545In this post, I introduced the idea of Major Industrial Areas of the World. The notion is expanded upon a bit more here: www.yourarticlelibrary.com/industries/industrial-regions/5-major-industrial-regions-of-the-world/74945Incidentally, that source looks to be from 1995. A fair bit has changed in @ in 27 years, but it was very analogous to 1970 with a few key differences. Therefore, here follows 1969/70 Major Industrial Areas of the WorldUSA (16)New England Midwest (Ohio, Indiana) Michigan Chicago/Illinois Minnesota-Wisconsin New York-New Jersey Mid Atlantic-Pennsylvania-Baltimore Pittsburgh/Lake Erie Seattle/Northwest Jefferson/Oregon Northern California Southern California Texas Missouri-Kansas Heartland Birmingham-Atlanta/Southern Appalachia Virginia-Carolinas USSR (12)Leningrad/Northern Moscow/Central Stalingrad/Volga Urals West Siberia/Kuzbass Central Siberia/Krasnoyarsk/Irkutsk Central Asia Caucasus Eastern Ukraine/Donbass Kiev/Central Ukraine Byelorussia Far East Germany (7)Ruhr-Westphalia Middle Rhine/Frankfurt/Mannheim/Stuttgart Central Germany Saxony Berlin/Brandenburg Hamburg/Bremen/Hanover Bavaria Japan (6)Tokyo-Yokohama-Kanto Plain Central Japan Osaka-Kobe/Kansai Chukyo Region Chugoku Region Northern Kyushu Britain (6)Midlands Northern England + Scottish Lowlands Yorkshire and Lancashire Northern Ireland South Wales London + Southern England China (5) Manchuria Northern China (Peking-Tientsin-Hopeh) Shantung-Tsingtao Shanghai-Nanking Chungking India (5) Calcutta-Bengal Bombay-Poona Punjab Madras-Bangalore Karachi-Sindh Canada (5) Ontario St Lawrence Valley-Quebec Maritimes Prairies Vancouver-Pacific Coast France (5)Alsace-Lorraine Nord/Pas de Calais Paris Burgundy-Rhone Alpes Saarland Italy (4)Piedmont-Liguria Lombardy-Emilia Romagna Rome/Lazio Naples Austria-Hungary (4)Bohemia-Moravia Northern Hungary-Slovakia Upper Austria-Vienna Carniola-Trieste Poland (4) Silesia Central Poland Galicia Gdansk-Gdynia Benelux (4) Randstad Wallonia Flanders Luxembourg Sweden (3) Stockholm-Uppland Gothenburg Malmo Spain (3) Catalonia New Castile Navarre-Basque Korea (3) Seoul-Han Valley Pusan-Ulsan Pyongyang-Nampo-Sariwon Australia (3) Newcastle-Sydney-Wollongong Geelong-Melbourne-Hastings Adelaide and Iron Triangle South Africa (2) Cape Province Transvaal Byzantine Greece (2) Macedonia-Thrace-Constantinople Attica Ottoman Turkey (2) Adana-Alexandretta Angora Mexico (2) Mexico City-Tenochtitlan Monterey Brazil (1) Sao Paulo- Rio de Janeiro Taiwan (1) Taipei Argentina (1) Buenos Aires Romania (1) Muntenia Switzerland (1) Swiss Plateau GDR (1) Karl Marx Stadt/Konigsberg Hong Kong (1) Hong Kong
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Post by simon darkshade on May 2, 2022 12:42:03 GMT
The above industrial area post is now complete.
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Post by simon darkshade on May 16, 2022 7:55:55 GMT
Industrial Region Data Analysis
- This shows why the USA and USSR are the principal superpowers - Europe is the key prize in the Cold War with over a third of the world’s industrial areas, ahead of North America in second place - East Asia has growing strength with 15 areas, which is only going to grow as China modernises and develops - China, Japan and India have room for considerable growth, with China’s figure not counting Hong Kong, which is on the cusp of becoming one - The Soviet bloc has 17 current areas, soon to be joined by East Prussia/the GDR and some new industrial development zones in the Soviet Union, but caps out at ~20 - Africa is notable by its absence, reflecting the historical circumstance - South and Latin America is growing, but suffers from the Colossus of the North - The third global area notable by its absence is the Middle East and this is not likely to change anytime soon
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Post by simon darkshade on May 16, 2022 11:10:25 GMT
Dark Earth Music Notes
In the United States, ragtime and Tin Pan Alley pop combined with a certain degree of white washed second hand jazz into big band music in the 1930s and 40s. There is swing, but it doesn’t quite swing as wildly. There are some influences from various forms of American folk that emerged independently in the 1930s as well as country and polka. The blues remain a primarily Black form of music mainly centred on the South, with jazz being its major Northern offshoot. Rock and roll had a brief life from the 1930s through to the mid 1950s before petering out; some vestigial influences can be found in other musical genres, but in the main, it fizzled; it’s variants, such as surf music, doo wop and rhythm and blues are unheard of.
There is a fair bit of influence from South/Latin American and West Indian genres, such as calypso, bossa nova, samba, Andean music and tango, have some degree of popularity, as well as several original sources: American Indian music, dwarven brass bands and choirs, electronic classical and Martian. The latter has some elements of strange 1980s ‘New Age’ music with hurdy gurdy elements; it has a certain degree of popularity as it is outside of any copyright restrictions. Mambo or other @ Cuban variants (rhumba, cha cha cha) do not exist. Foreign language novelties such as Sukiyaki and Edith Piaf aren’t quite so novel.
The main musical form favoured by the younger audience is pop, which is comparatively anodyne compared to @ 1969/70. Pat Boone, Bobby Darin, Paul Anka, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Skeeter Davis, Ricky Nelson and similar artists have been in the charts.
Britain No skiffle, no trad jazz, no beat music and no rock make for a very different 1960s sound. The predominant pop genre is a slightly more English dance band music with elements of folk, swing, show tunes and general pop. Some songs from @ would make it through, such as Petula Clark’s Downtown, Unchained Melody, Born Free and You’ll Never Walk Alone. I can see Cliff Richard still getting a bit of fame due to his combination of youthful looks and singing, but in more of a pop sense than rock. There is a strong folk element similar in some ways to Steeleye Span from @ as well as the influence of bardic music and elven elements; the latter is similar to Clannad in some ways.
In general British dance band music is rather less “swing-y” and incorporates hooks/elements from older classical music and marches. Compare In the Mood to We’ll Meet Again.
Notably, British male singers tend to adopt a distinctly British accent as compared to the more American ones used in @.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 9, 2022 17:12:56 GMT
1970 British Immigrant Population Polish: 200,000 West Indian: 87,000 Indian: 50,000 Chinese: 25,000 French: 24,000 German: 20,000 Scandinavian: 18,000 Austro-Hungarian: 16,000 Greek: 14,000 Italian: 12,000 African: 9000 Spaniards: 8000
The largest group of foreign nationals present is Americans, but they don’t count as immigrants.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 11, 2022 17:38:23 GMT
The significant differences above:
In @ 1971, the figures were 494,000 Indian, 304,000 West Indian, ~100,000 Chinese and ~35,000 Africans. In the first two cases, the 1950s and 60s saw the big waves and subsequent increases came more from growth/births of the children of immigrants in Britain. The big drivers for filling the postwar labour shortage in London transport, the NHS and northern mills also were much reduced by this point. On top of that, the numbers represented ~ 1 million out of 56 million, or 1.79%.
The situation in Dark Earth Britain is ~0.13% of the population, due to the smaller numbers and larger population. The result is that outside of London and a smattering of other large cities, there isn’t a ‘New Commonwealth’ immigrant presence, to use the @ parlance. This means there has been no drivers for racial tensions, no race riots such as the Notting Hill Riots of 1958, or associated issues. The diseased children of the BUF such as Mosley’s 1950s Union Movement don’t exist beyond a literal handful of cranks; the BUF itself doesn’t rise to prominence in the 1930s after his early death. Large parts of London, particularly in the East End, will continue to have an overwhelming majority Cockney populace and culture for some time to come, at the very least.
There will probably be a continued flow of some migration to Britain over the 1970s at a steady rate, but it will take time to grow. There are some larger tensions with the non-human races, particularly the goblinoids, and the various Martian races tend to be viewed with alarm, suspicion and hostility.
The European numbers represent a lot of skilled/professional migration and is in addition to the more transient numbers of temporary visitors, such as the ~2000 Onion Johnnies, diplomats, students, lawyers, adventurers, wizards, academics and businessmen. On top of that number are the foreign military personnel: Americans and Canadians being the big numbers, but also West Indians, South Africans, Indians, Malayans, Australians and New Zealanders; there are frequently battalion/squadron sized land and air units from the European NATO allies coming in for training at some of the battle schools and advanced fighter combat schools. London still has that character it had in WW2, with a lot of servicemen in a myriad of foreign uniforms.
In addition to that, some other predictions for the decade to come:
- No waves of strikes and industrial strife and certainly no Winter of Discontent - Britain will bet overtaken by Japan economically, but won’t be the sick man of Europe - Traditional heavy industries in the North, Scotland and Wales remain important and strong, rather than being allowed to die off - A very different decade for the British automotive industry - Few of the @ subcultures will emerge. Certainly no punks - The Troubles in Ireland are absent here. There will be something going on there, but not of the same character - More TV and radio stations as policies open up - Continued progress of women’s rights, eventually catching up and surpassing Earth in some areas - Historically, we see the rise of obesity and diet related health problems in the 1970s. Not here. If anything, they will be getting better - Having said that, there will be the emergence of what we would consider many ‘modern’ foods. Wonka has a big decade - Some gradual reduction of the size of the Armed Forces as costs of equipment increase, but nowhere near @ - Big changes in the way aspects social security is funded - A lack of the circumstances that lead to the ascension of Margaret Thatcher means no PM Thatcher or what we’d recognise as Thatcherism. The Conservatives will need to find new strategies and reappraise their philosophy to take on Labour, but also to address a resurgence of the Liberals. Politically, Britain will have a genuine three way split - Another @ issue was Europe, which won’t raise its head here. There won’t be an EEC emerging with France’s interesting decade to come, but there will be some trade related changes on the Continent. Britain, though, treads a different path - Without twin oil shocks, it will be a more prosperous time. A lot more colour in many different ways - Whilst a lot of oil wealth will go into various funds for the future, enough will spill over to create some interesting effects of affluence - Supersonic air travel will begin to become more and more prevalent - Whilst a Channel Tunnel will be thought to still be a non-starter, there will be talk of an underwater railway… - High speed rail will branch out from the larger lines, but many of the smaller rural lines will still have more conventional services - 1960s decisions to increase wizardly education result in more coming through and a widening use of magic and magitech - The rise of suburbia - African colonies that were given self government in the 1960s will now move to bona fide independence - Increasing environmentalism - An early 1970s fantasy boom - Culturally, there will be a renewed folk revival in more than just music with some interesting consequences - No decimalisation or metrication - Around the world, the emergence of distinct mini-blocs in the Arab Middle East, Asia, Africa, South America and the Indosphere - Some degree of gradual slowing of nuclear proliferation, given that much smaller states can’t afford The Bomb - On nuclear matters, the advent of fusion power will see changes in this decade - Underwater exploration…the Sea Race?
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 12, 2022 11:52:24 GMT
And a couple of other bits for good measure: 1.) The fiscal situation of the country is on far better grounds. Previously, I’ve outlined that total government spending is at 34.7% of GDP compared to 39.65% in @, but that is just one part of the picture. With an earlier advent of VAT, many other internal excise rates have been reduced (alcohol, tobacco, petrol, coal/coke, coffee) to effectively 1.5% of GDP, down from 1960 and lower in turn from historical rates. The tax burden has shifted markedly. In 1960, Income Tax was ~14.25% of GDP, National Insurance 5%, Excise 3%, Corporation and Company Tax 2% and Other 1% for 25.25% vs a historical rate of ~29% (Source www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/06/11/no-one-defending-pm-let-have-go-boris-bashers/ Ignore the title and partisan subject matter of the article, but peruse the informative graph). By 1970, Income Tax is equivalent to 11%, NI 6%, VAT 4%, Excise 1.5%, Corporation 1.5%, Other 1% for 25% as compared to ~35%. The remaining revenue comes from external tariffs, royalties, overseas revenue, interest earnings and assorted government sales. 2.) With the forthcoming cessation of certain areas of expenditure, there are likely to be further savings passed on to the taxpayer. 3.) As more colonies progress towards independence, the role of the Imperial Police will be changing towards a Commonwealth-wide law enforcement agency that also plays a role as a nation wide ‘federal’ law enforcement agency in Britain (combining the functions of the NCA/NCS, the National Criminal Intelligence Service/Central Drugs Intelligence Unit and in doing so, treading on the toes of the Royal Constabulary). A bit of a mania for centralisation will have some interesting costs. 4.) Narcotics are starting to raise their head, but in a different form to @. There wasn’t a Dangerous Drugs Act of 1920 and prohibitions on cocaine and heroin were a longer time coming; marihuana has not made a breakthrough to widely known status. Opium has the worst reputation, followed by lotus (especially black), hallucinogenic cheese, nepenthe, ether and quicksilver (a strange stimulating hallucinogen that changes tastes, smells and colours)
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 15, 2022 12:53:19 GMT
In the Imperial Almanac of 1960, there was the following line: “The magical levitation super trains of the Grand Railway link the 10 major cities of Great Britain with dedicated 525mph passenger services. “
By 1970, the following cities are linked: London Birmingham Liverpool Glasgow Manchester Leeds Newcastle Bristol Southampton-Portsmouth Nottingham Edinburgh Cardiff Sheffield Middlesbrough Leicester Dover Exeter Plymouth
This would entail the following major lines of the ‘Grand Railway’:
East Coast Mainline (London-Edinburgh inc York, Middlesbrough and Newcastle) 645 miles Midland Mainline (London-Leeds inc Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield) 319 miles Great Central Mainline (London-Manchester inc Northampton, Leicester and Derby) 290 miles West Coast Mainline (London-Glasgow inc Birmingham and Liverpool) 640 miles Great Western Mainline (London-Bristol ext to Cardiff) 188/260 miles South West Main Line (London to Plymouth inc Southampton, Bournemouth and Exeter) 382 miles South East Main Line (London to Dover) 131 miles Great Eastern Mainline (London to Kingston inc Ipswich, Norwich, King’s Lynn and Lincoln) 451 miles Great Southern Mainline (Dover to Plymouth inc Brighton, Portsmouth and Portland) 522 miles Scottish Main Line (London to Edinburgh) 620 miles
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Post by stevep on Jun 15, 2022 17:39:51 GMT
In the Imperial Almanac of 1960, there was the following line: “The magical levitation super trains of the Grand Railway link the 10 major cities of Great Britain with dedicated 525mph passenger services. “ By 1970, the following cities are linked: London Birmingham Liverpool Glasgow Manchester Leeds Newcastle Bristol Southampton-Portsmouth Nottingham Edinburgh Cardiff Sheffield Middlesbrough Leicester Dover Exeter Plymouth This would entail the following major lines of the ‘Grand Railway’: East Coast Mainline (London-Edinburgh inc York, Middlesbrough and Newcastle) 645 miles Midland Mainline (London-Leeds inc Leicester, Nottingham and Sheffield) 319 miles Great Central Mainline (London-Manchester inc Northampton, Leicester and Derby) 290 miles West Coast Mainline (London-Glasgow inc Birmingham and Liverpool) 640 miles Great Western Mainline (London-Bristol ext to Cardiff) 188/260 miles South West Main Line (London to Plymouth inc Southampton, Bournemouth and Exeter) 382 miles South East Main Line (London to Dover) 131 miles Great Eastern Mainline (London to Kingston inc Ipswich, Norwich, King’s Lynn and Lincoln) 451 miles Great Southern Mainline (Dover to Plymouth inc Brighton, Portsmouth and Portland) 522 miles Scottish Main Line (London to Edinburgh) 620 miles
That would be a great improvement on OTL when such ideas were suggested but never developed. Although 525mph is possibly faster than current such trains?
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 15, 2022 18:24:13 GMT
The Chinese and Japanese are currently dabbling around with 375mph maglev trains. The extra speed comes from the ‘magic’ part of the propulsion, which I envisage as drawing upon leylines as well as the engines themselves.
The last three lines are the changes, extending the Eastern line much further from Ipswich to the Humber, where Kingston (@ Hull) is a large, significant industrial port, shipbuilding centre, fishing hub and North Sea trading link; having a coastal southern line that grew out of defence purposes; and having an express line to Scotland largely separate from the East Coast Main Line of @.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jun 29, 2022 16:25:58 GMT
A bit of Commonwealth tank production data
Australia 1960: 210 1961: 234 1962: 257 1963: 266 1964: 275 1965: 280 1966: 287 1967: 285 1968: 289 1969: 284
Canada
1960: 538 (538 Chieftains) 1961: 607 (607 Chieftains) 1962: 682 (586 Chieftains, 96 Royalists) 1963: 745 (605 Chieftains, 140 Royalists) 1964: 865 (650 Chieftains exported to New Avalon, 215 Royalists) 1965: 1187 (860 Chieftains exported to India, 243 Royalists, 84 Super Conquerors) 1966: 1075 (900 Chieftains exported to India, 104 Royalists, 71 Super Conquerors) 1967: 964 (700 Chieftains and 264 Royalists exported to India) 1968: 1016 (800 Chieftains and 216 Royalists exported to India) 1969: 992 (562 Crusaders, 250 Valiants, 120 Royalists, 60 Super Conquerors)
India 1960: 547 (483 Super Centurions, 64 Royalists) 1961: 678 (598 Super Centurions, 80 Royalists) 1962: 823 (729 Super Centurions, 94 Royalists) 1963: 895 (745 Super Centurions, 150 Royalists) 1964: 1026 (857 Super Centurions, 169 Royalists) 1965: 1187 (1010 Super Centurions, 177 Royalists) 1966: 1247 (825 Super Centurions, 180 Royalists, 240 Chieftains) 1967: 1404 (1244 Chieftains, 160 Royalists) 1968: 1286 (1286 Chieftains) 1969: 1240 (1200 Chieftains, 40 Super Conquerors)
South Africa
1960: 138 1961: 145 1962: 152 1963: 156 1964: 149 1965: 162 1966: 164 1967: 160 1968: 173 1969: 175
New Avalon
1960: 95 1961: 102 1962: 98 1963: 87 1964: 110 1965: 125 1966: 123 1967: 120 1968: 129
1969: 132
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 31, 2022 16:42:56 GMT
USN Ship Plans for the 1970s:
Aircraft Carriers
- The remaining Essex class CVSs (Oriskany, Reprisal, Bonhomme Richard, Crown Point, Port Royal, Valley Forge, Philippines Sea, Lake Erie) are to be decommissioned by 1972, replaced by a US version of the Anglo-American CVL - The Enterprise class CVAN programme of 12 ships (Enterprise, Langley, Princeton, Intrepid, Hornet, Wasp, Yorktown, Lexington, Gettysburg, Essex, Ticonderoga, Franklin) are all in service or working up. - The Midway class CVAs' (rebuilt/refitted and reclassified from CVB) service life is due to extend to 1985, but projections are for the frontline role of the first four carriers to be reduced from 1980. Their replacement will be the new CVN design almost ready, a larger and more powerful ship with more capacity for aviation fuel and larger magazines; this is rather different from the @ Nimitz class
Battleships - The latter half of the 1960s saw a major shift in the USN battlefleet, with the Washington class decomissioned in 1966/67 and the South Dakotas starting to go in 1968. By 1970, all 12 ships have been decommissioned, leaving the 6 Iowas and 6 Montanas as the remaining conventional WW2 built battleships in USN service. - The 4 Texas class BBGNs (Texas, California, New York, Pennsylvania) have been joined by the Virginia class (Virginia (1963), Ohio (1963), Florida (1964), Mississippi (1964)) and North Dakota class (North Dakota (1965), Colorado (1966), Tennessee (1967), Minnesota (1968)). Currently under construction are Arizona (1970), Oregon (1970), Nevada (1971), Sylvania (1971), South Carolina (1972), Arkansas (1972), Maryland (1973) and New Mexico (1973). All of these sub classes are incremental improvements upon the first BBGNs
Battlecruisers - The Hawaii class battlecruisers are due to be decommissioned from 1976 and there have been no formal plans yet for their replacement; the Monitor class are seen as eminently capable and would probably serve as a basis thereof
Cruisers - The wartime CLGs and last of the pure-gun Baltimores are now gone and now, with the end of Vietnam, the Des Moines class heavy cruisers will join them. The remaining 16 Baltimore and Des Moines class partial missile conversions are to decommission by 1975. - Replacing them have been the 18 Indianapolis and 14 Birmingham class CGs (which have levelled out at ~24,000t) and steady production of the 13 Long Beach and 12 Minneapolis class CGNs (~36,000t) - Standardizing cruiser construction on an atomic powered design is seen as the most likely outcome for the 1970s and beyond
Destroyers - Gone are the Allen M. Sumners and going are the Gearing FRAMs. Replacing both has been the 1960s successor to the 58 Charles F. Addams class DDGs, the Halsey class DDG. 29 have been commissioned thus far with a further 16 under construction and 11 projected under the 1970 and 1971 programmes - Conversion of the Forrest Sherman class destroyers to DDGs will be complete by 1974, with the process not expected to greatly extend the service life of the class past 1984 - The combination of these two developments is one driver among many for a new, larger DDG design for the 1970s and beyond that will begin construction later in 1970. This is will not be the @ Sprucans, but more like the Kidds with some different elements and markedly different weapons systems. The Nimitz class destroyers are designed to be the USN's backbone for the coming decades
Destroyer Escorts/Frigates - The John C. Butler class are now gone, replaced by the Knox class/the US version of the Anglo-American-Commonwealth Joint Anti-Submarine Frigates. 28 have been completed out of a projected 84, with twelve later ships shifted to the next projected class (see below) - Further 1960s construction of the Bradley class DEGs totaled 26 for a class of 56. - The next vessels to be replaced are the Dealey class DEs; that will take the form of an enlarged general purpose guided missile destroyer escort, named the Spruance class after the late WW2 admiral
Submarines - The Balaos and Tench class are now gone, leaving only the Tangs and Albacores as the vestiges of the USN conventional sub fleet - The Sturgeon class are still in full production, but coming up is an analogue to the 688 class in terms of its advance over the Sturgeons. Larger, faster, quieter, deeper diving and carrying more weapons, including VLS SLCMs - New boomers are starting to be thought about; the beginning of a long process
Amphibs - Joining the Normandy class CVHAs have been the Tarawa class LHAs, a new and larger ship with a well deck - The amphibious fleet has paid a price for Vietnam, but new major LPD and LSD designs are ready to go and older LSTs and LKAs have been replaced - The LPAs have been decommissioned to reserve
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Post by simon darkshade on Oct 12, 2022 17:20:56 GMT
British Army 1970 Notes
For Regiments of Foot and the Guards, they have 2 regular battalions (with 12 Regiments of Foot having 3rd and 4th regular battalions, namely the Manchester Regiment, Royal Northumberland Fusiliers, Lancashire Fusiliers, Royal Scots, Black Watch, Royal Irish, Essex Regiment, Middlesex Regiment, Gloucestershire Regiment King’s Regiment (Liverpool), Royal Dwarven Regiment and the Royal Fusiliers). The Rifle Regiments field 4 regular battalions.
Territorial Army Guards: 2 TA battalions per regiment (3rd and 4th) Rifles: 4 TA battalions per regiment (5th, 6th, 7th, 8th) Foot: 4 TA battalions per regiment (usually 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th, with 5th-8th for the 12 ‘extra’ regiments outlined above. There is the special case of the London Regiment, which has 30 TA battalions (3-32), reflecting the size of the metropolis.
There are also a number (42) of TA only regiments with a strength of 1 battalion each:
Royal Wight Fusiliers Manx Regiment Anglesey Regiment
Royal Jersey Regiment Royal Alderney Regiment Royal Guernsey Light Infantry Royal Sark Musketeers
Royal Scilly Light Infantry Royal Avalon Musketeers King’s Own Lyonesse Fusiliers
Northern Isles Regiment Glasgow Highlanders, Highland Light Infantry Inverness Battalion Atholl Highlanders Queen’s Edinburgh Rifles (Royal Scots) City of Edinburgh Regiment Lothian Rifles Selkirkshire Regiment Skye Regiment Royal Midlothian Regiment Faroe Regiment Stewart Highlanders
The Duke of York’s Irish Regiment Irish Rangers Loyal Limerick Regiment Donegal Light Infantry Royal County Down Regiment Green Linnets Royal Belfast Light Infantry Clare Light Infantry Royal Gallowglasses Waterford Light Infantry Londonderry Regiment Royal Cork Fusiliers Kerry Regiment Tyrone Fusiliers Armagh Regiment The Duke of Connaught's Own Sligo Light Infantry Tipperary (Duke of Clarence's Munster) Regiment Wicklow Rifles Galway Regiment Mayo Rifles
- Their role is home defence, along with various 5th-8th battalions - The various 3rd and 4th TA battalions have different roles, ranging from the BAOR to Imperial Service. It generally depends on their seniority and readiness - The London Regiment battalions have mixed missions based on their seniority and strength; 3rd-16th have more active roles, whereas 17th-32nd are home defence - The TA has 12 combat divisions, 12 second line home defence divisions on a greatly reduced manning and general organisation basis and 12 third line divisions which are entirely paper units to be filled by reservists upon mobilisation. Whilst the last category are nominally M + 240, there are bottlenecks in the way of that plan of a mainly logistical nature - The TA is also responsible for the vestigal Anti-Aircraft and Coastal Defence Commands, which are on the verge of retirement; most of the AA positions are largely automated in any case, requiring far fewer men for gun crews
Army Reserve - The main mission of the Army Reserve is reinforcement of existing regular and some TA units (Ready Reserve), but on mobilisation, they also form the headquarters and support units for 4 Category A Army Reserve divisions (Guards, Light, 24th and 25th) which draw upon regular army units; 12 Army Reserve brigades to provide garrison defence at home, in the Atlantic and Mediterranean; 240 battalions for Category C and D mobilisation units (Cs are 29, 32, 36 and 40 and Ds are 13, 14, 16, 21, 22, 23, 26, 27, 28, 30, 35); and 120 Composite General Reserve battalions - The Category C divisions are M + 240, whereas the Category D divisions are M + 360, which is being generous. The latter are designed to be training units on a home organization - Composite General Reserve battalions are units drawn up from older but still capable reserve classes and are usually designated for home defence or LoC defence - The Army Reserve also supplies General Support Units (GSUs) which are company sized formations for guard duties protecting railway stations, power stations, armaments factories, airports, dockyards, supply dumps, radar facilities, bridges, gas works and the outer perimeter of nuclear facilities. Approximately 480 companies are to be formed - There are also General Support Units (Transport) which form transport squadrons
Home Guard - Strength of a little over 1 million men in 1429 battalions, which are understrength in peacetime where they largely march on paper - Separate from the general regimental system, but 'associated' with various county regiments - Their roles upon mobilisation include local patrols, static checkpoints, guard duties, additional defence for airfields and sensitive facilities, POW camps, coastal defences and LoC defence for TA formations if an enemy should come
(More to come)
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Post by simon darkshade on Oct 13, 2022 14:49:38 GMT
Just as a little insight into where I get some of my ideas:
The British Pathe archives are a treasure trove of wonderful period detail in glorious Technicolor, ranging from the zany to the mundane, such as one from 1965 about caravan holidays. The BBC also has some great old news stories that give a sense of time and place, as do newspapers, books, comics and boy’s annuals (such as The Eagle) and all sorts of other written materials. To create a believable past or alternate world, one needs to inhabit it to a certain extent.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 3, 2022 15:20:24 GMT
Some data on foreign orders of British military aircraft of the 1950s and 1960s. Numbers are for orders, rather than sales, as some were transferred at a reduced price as aid or surplus. The second tranche of Arab Union Hunters were largely drawn from ex RAF planes, for example.
What is notable is the marked drop off after the Hunter, Fairey Delta and English Electric Canberra, which reflected several things: increased competition from France and national aircraft production in Europe; greater success from US Century series aeroplane export deals; the reduction in size of air forces from 1956/57 as aircraft become more expensive and more technologically complex; the comparative drying up of a lot of Mutual Defense Assistance Programme funding from the USA after the end of the Korean War; and an evolving market.
I'm going to edit in a bit more over the next week after an exam, so this initial post shouldn't be regarded as the total sum of production or types until I indicate I'm done. I'm thinking of putting in total British procurement numbers for each type as well, which will show some contrasts. Some of this will work in with an updated Royal Indian Air Force orbat of 1970, which will show their decade of development.
To possibly pre-empt a question, the Gloster Meteor and de Havilland Vampire are very much WW2 aircraft, even though they were sold in large numbers postwar, so they will appear at some point. All questions, comments and such welcome.
Hawker Hunter: 4529 700 Arabs (1955-1960 and 1964-1967) 580 Germany (1954-1958) 425 Austria-Hungary (1954-1958) 300 Greece (1954-1958) 280 Brazil (1955-1957) 270 Persia (1956-1960) 250 Sweden (1952-1956) 200 Switzerland (1953-1955) 180 Belgium (1952-1954) 170 Netherlands (1952-1954) 150 Yugoslavia (1956) 150 Bulgaria (1956) 130 Chile (1955) 130 Argentina (1955) 120 South Africa (1952-1954) 80 Ruritania (1953) 64 Peru (1955) 60 Denmark (1954)
80 Nigeria (1966) 60 Libya (1967) 60 Ashante (1968) 50 Tanganyika (1967) 40 Uganda (1967)
South African production: 150 RSAAF + 150 RRAF (1950-1956) Australian production: 192 RAAF/RAN + 100 RNZAF/RNZN (1950-1956) Canadian production: 650 RCAF + 250 RCN (1950-1956)
Fairey Delta: 3836 Arab Union: 456 Germany: 360 AH: 350 Greece: 300 Egypt: 250 Persia: 180 Brazil: 160 Switzerland: 150 Bulgaria: 140 Netherlands: 120 Belgium: 120 Yugoslavia: 120 Norway: 96 Denmark: 80 Ruritania: 72
Portugal: 60 Albania: 24
48 Libya 80 Nigeria 48 Ashante 24 Uganda 36 Tanganyika
India: 320 Israel: 180 Prydain: 72
Australian production: 120 RAAF + 64 RNZAF South African production: 120 RSAF + 60 RRAF Canadian production: 300 RCAF + 50 RNAF
EE Canberra: 2549 250 Austria-Hungary 250 Germany 250 France 250 Italy 240 Arabs 120 Japan 120 Argentina 120 Brazil 100 Sweden 100 Egypt 80 Mexico 80 Chile 70 Portugal 75 Belgium 72 Bulgaria 60 Yugoslavia 60 Persia 60 Portugal 60 Rhodesia 48 Peru 24 Kenya 24 Libya 24 Ashante 12 Ethiopia
40 Nigeria
Australian production: 240 RAAF + 60 RNZAF South African production: 100 RSAF Canadian production: 400 RCAF + 100 RNAAF
de Havilland Spectre: 1562 430 India (1964-1967) 280 Arabs (1965-1968) 240 Greece (1961-1964) 160 Persia (1965) 160 Egypt (1965) 132 Austria-Hungary (1959-1960) 100 South Africa (1958) 60 Royal Netherlands Navy (1960)
Australian production: 80 RAAF + 50 RAN Canadian production: 150 RCAF + 100 RCN
Fairey Rotodyne: 1456 175 Italy 168 Germany 150 Benelux 120 Arabs 120 Spain 100 Greece 100 Brazil 100 Argentina 90 Sweden 90 Austria-Hungary 50 Persia 36 Yugoslavia 35 Chile 24 Switzerland 24 Egypt 20 Denmark 20 Norway 18 Bulgaria 16 Finland
Australian production: 216 (80 RAN + 40 Army + 40 RAAF + 56 New Zealand) South Africa production: 128 (64 Army/RSAN + 32 RSAF + 32 Rhodesia) Canadian production: 324 (120 Army + 120 RCN + 60 RCAF + 24 Newfoundland)
de Havilland Tornado: 1360 450 Germany (1965) 320 Benelux (1966) 240 Sweden (1968) 180 Greece (1970) 90 Denmark (1969) 80 Norway (1969)
Hawker-Siddeley Harrier: 1190 350 Germany 250 Italy 240 Sweden + 60 Sea Harriers 200 Benelux 150 Canada 50 Australia Sea Harriers 40 South Africa Sea Harriers
Supermarine Sunstar: 1027 240 India 156 Greece 125 Australia 108 Belgium 100 South Africa 80 Argentina 60 Rhodesia 60 New Avalon 50 New Zealand 48 Norway
Canadian production: 150
Hawker-Siddeley Merlin: 970 250 Canada (150 RCAF + 100 RCN) 200 Benelux 150 Australia (100 RAAF + 50 RAN) 150 South Africa 120 Israel 100 Greece
Australian production: 80 RAAF
Supermarine Swift: 918 320 Arabs 240 India 200 Canada 100 Egypt 90 South Africa 60 Denmark 60 Libya 48 Persia
Blackburn Buccaneer: 787 250 Canada 150 Australia 120 Germany 100 Sweden 75 South Africa 60 Royal Netherlands Navy 32 Albania
Gloster Javelin: 778 240 Arabs 100 Australia 96 Netherlands 84 Belgium 72 South Africa 50 Bulgaria 40 New Zealand 36 Ruritania 36 Albania 24 Iceland
EE Lightning: 736 236 Sweden 120 Benelux 150 Australia 100 Israel 80 South Africa 50 Rhodesia
Canadian production: 160
Bristol Britannia: 635 260 Canada 145 Australia 50 Italy 50 Spain 40 Belgium 30 Portugal 20 Persia 16 Newfoundland 12 Denmark 12 Norway
Supermarine Eagle TSR-2: 654 250 Canada 100 Australia 100 South Africa 80 Sweden 50 Israel 50 New Avalon 24 New Zealand
de Havilland Vixen: 580 120 Finland 110 Peru 100 Denmark 85 South Africa 85 Belgium 80 Chile
Vickers Thunderbolt: 520 240 Germany (1967) 160 Benelux (1966) 120 Greece (1968)
Vickers Valiant: 441 150 Australia 80 Netherlands 60 South Africa 50 New Avalon 40 Greece 25 New Zealand 24 Rhodesia 12 Newfoundland
Canadian production: 260
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