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Post by lordroel on Jun 11, 2020 14:56:45 GMT
Having seen the video possibly the admiral's determination that there would be war with Japan was influenced by the honour he was given there.  It suspect it might have upset him more than he claimed. The Great White Fleet made its journey 2 years after Japan had crushed the Russians and showed it could be a player on the naval stage, of course it would make the american nervous, they had the Philippines close to Japanese controlled Formosa, i think if the Japanese wanted they could send a fleet from there to invade the Philippines. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 11, 2020 15:02:15 GMT
Having seen the video possibly the admiral's determination that there would be war with Japan was influenced by the honour he was given there. It suspect it might have upset him more than he claimed. The Great White Fleet made its journey 2 years after Japan had crushed the Russians and showed it could be a player on the naval stage, of course it would make the american nervous, they had the Philippines close to Japanese controlled Formosa, i think if the Japanese wanted they could send a fleet from there to invade the Philippines.
There was a lot of tension over a number of issues. Japan definitely felt threatened by the US controlling the Philippines and the more liberal elements were upset about the suppression of the independence movement there. Also anti-Japanese riots in the western US and restrictions on immigration as well as discrimination against their people in Hawaii. Both were seeing themselves as new upcoming powers and hence, sharing the Pacific were natural rivals.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 11, 2020 15:08:17 GMT
The Great White Fleet made its journey 2 years after Japan had crushed the Russians and showed it could be a player on the naval stage, of course it would make the american nervous, they had the Philippines close to Japanese controlled Formosa, i think if the Japanese wanted they could send a fleet from there to invade the Philippines. There was a lot of tension over a number of issues. Japan definitely felt threatened by the US controlling the Philippines and the more liberal elements were upset about the suppression of the independence movement there. Also anti-Japanese riots in the western US and restrictions on immigration as well as discrimination against their people in Hawaii. Both were seeing themselves as new upcoming powers and hence, sharing the Pacific were natural rivals. Steve
Found this nice link: The “Great White Fleet”, at Yokohama, 1908. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 13, 2020 11:23:22 GMT
Mini Drachinifel - naval history - Royal Navy destroyers list
R class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 22
Hunt Class - Drachinifel - naval history - 23
G class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 24
Tribal class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 25
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Post by stevep on Jun 13, 2020 12:22:53 GMT
Mini Drachinifel - naval history - Royal Navy destroyers listHMS Leander - Drachinifel - naval history - 22 R class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 23Hunt Class - Drachinifel - naval history - 24G class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 25Tribal class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 26
One small quibble. The 1st item in that list were light cruisers rather than destroyers. Although your not alone in that mistake as famously, because pf the aggressive way they were used Langsdorff, in command of the Graf Spee mistook the two Lenander's there - Ajax and Achilles - as destroyed initially in the River Plate battle.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 13, 2020 12:31:51 GMT
Mini Drachinifel - naval history - Royal Navy destroyers listHMS Leander - Drachinifel - naval history - 22 R class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 23Hunt Class - Drachinifel - naval history - 24G class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 25Tribal class destroyers - Drachinifel - naval history - 26 One small quibble. The 1st item in that list were light cruisers rather than destroyers. Although your not alone in that mistake as famously, because pf the aggressive way they were used Langsdorff, in command of the Graf Spee mistook the two Lenander's there - Ajax and Achilles - as destroyed initially in the River Plate battle. Steve
Sorry i will put him and other RN cruisers on a separate post then, thanks. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 13, 2020 12:36:34 GMT
Mini Drachinifel - naval history - Royal Navy cruisers list Part I
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2020 9:49:38 GMT
Admiral Horatio Nelson - From Boy to Frigate - Drachinifel - naval history - (Part 1)
Admiral Horatio Nelson - From Captain to Victory - Drachinifel - naval history - (Part 2)
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Post by lordroel on Jun 20, 2020 11:20:46 GMT
HMS Ajax - Drachinifel - naval history - 30
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2020 15:29:50 GMT
HMS Ajax - Drachinifel - naval history - 30
Good short history on a pretty successful light cruiser and her sad post-war fate. Knew about River Plate of course but she had an active WWII career and seems to have provided very good service.
I like Drachinifel getting in one of his standard bits of humour at the start as to how her name is pronounced. Presumably as a Dutchman you would agree with his decision as I think that's the usual way the football club is pronounced?
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Post by lordroel on Jun 20, 2020 17:58:10 GMT
I like Drachinifel getting in one of his standard bits of humour at the start as to how her name is pronounced. Presumably as a Dutchman you would agree with his decision as I think that's the usual way the football club is pronounced? That i true, if i read ore say here name it comes out more Dutch then English due the name being also used by a major Dutch football club. Also found this, the last voyage of HMS Ajax (1949). |
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Post by stevep on Jun 21, 2020 11:07:04 GMT
I like Drachinifel getting in one of his standard bits of humour at the start as to how her name is pronounced. Presumably as a Dutchman you would agree with his decision as I think that's the usual way the football club is pronounced? That i true, if i read ore say here name it comes out more Dutch then English due the name being also used by a major Dutch football club. Also found this, the last voyage of HMS Ajax (1949).
Nice tribute and interesting that like Warspite the old girl put up a fight to the end, running aground to delay scrapping.
IIRC the 1st time I heard mention of Ajax - the footie club was when it won the European Cup in ~1970 - checking they actually won three years running in 71-73. Then they were pronounced by the British commentators with an A. Since then generally heard it pronounced with a I [i.e. Ijax]. Of course my 1st encounter, even before Greek mythology, was from a cleaning product, which again was pronounced with an A.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2020 11:14:15 GMT
That i true, if i read ore say here name it comes out more Dutch then English due the name being also used by a major Dutch football club. Also found this, the last voyage of HMS Ajax (1949). Nice tribute and interesting that like Warspite the old girl put up a fight to the end, running aground to delay scrapping.
Think HMS Vanguard also decided to not play along with here scrapping, she slewed across the harbour and ran aground near the Still & West pub before she was pulled off by five tugboats an hour later, and made her final exit from Portsmouth. HMS Vanguard - Drachinifel - naval history - 31
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Post by lordroel on Jun 27, 2020 11:03:11 GMT
1047 Battlecruisers - Drachinifel - naval history - 32
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Post by stevep on Jun 27, 2020 15:31:18 GMT
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So the lesson is never let the Dutch order capital ships as a world war always follows! Serious they sound like useful designs with good AA batteries for the time which would be needed if they were actually completed and later went to war. That armour is a bit thin however.
Talking of AA fire I assume the Germans didn't mention radar at all as I assume they were keeping developments there secret, as were other nations developing it at the time.
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It suspect it might have upset him more than he claimed.