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Post by oscssw on Jul 24, 2021 13:22:44 GMT
Re: US Mothball fleet.
Now this is not sh!t shipmates 
I was in San Diego, at 32nd St. Naval station D & S piers in 1967. I was working on the SPS-10 antenna platform on the mast.
From that vantage I had a magnificent view of the whole San Diego area. As I gazed south I could see the "Dego mothball fleet"; row after row of hundreds of WW II era ships, much as shown in Drach's video. They extended as far south as I could see.
Next time I was in "Dego" was in late 1972. All but a handful of those ships were gone.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 24, 2021 13:48:15 GMT
Re: US Mothball fleet.
Now this is not sh!t shipmates
I was in San Diego, at 32nd St. Naval station D & S piers in 1967. I was working on the SPS-10 antenna platform on the mast.
From that vantage I had a magnificent view of the whole San Diego area. As I gazed south I could see the "Dego mothball fleet"; row after row of hundreds of WW II era ships, much as shown in Drach's video. They extended as far south as I could see.
Next time I was in "Dego" was in late 1972. All but a handful of those ships were gone. Those where the good old times when at its at its peak in 1950, the National Defense Reserve Fleet (NDRF) had 2,277 ships in lay-up. In 2003, it had 274. In July 2007, it held 230 ships, primarily dry cargo ships with some tankers, military auxiliaries, and other types. As of January 2020, the number of ships was down to 89. |
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HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën - Drachinifel -naval history - 4 Lordroel Never heard of that mutiny and I must say it fascinates me so I did some research. Hope you folks find this as interesting as I do. This is from History headlines " February 5, 1933: Dutch Ship HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën Mutiny!"
By Major Dan February 5, 2019
On February 5, 1933, the crew of the Royal Netherlands Navy ship HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën mutinied while stationed off the coast of Sumatra in the Dutch East Indies. Fed up with harsh working conditions and an announced cut in pay, the crew consisting of both ethnically Dutch and Indonesian sailors seized control of the cruiser sized ship, not relinquishing control until the ship was bombed by Dutch warplanes 6 days later!
The 1930’s was a time of the Great Depression, and Europe was still recovering from the terrible effects of World War I. Austerity was the name of the game for national budgets, and military men world wide were not paid particularly well. Royal Netherlands Navy was no exception.
. . .
The Royal Netherlands Navy incident seems to have been a spontaneous event. Some claims that the De Zeven Provinciën mutiny was inspired by a communist insurgency were eagerly espoused by communists as well as Dutch right-wing politicians at the time, but are probably not true. The context of the De Zeven Provinciën must be seen in the colonial rule of Indonesia by the Netherlands, an oppression seen by native Indonesians as unacceptable.
. . .
The mutiny started the evening before February 5, 1933, and was conducted primarily by ethnic Indonesians that had seized small arms and took the officers of the ship hostage. Many of the officers and crew were ashore when the mutiny occurred with the ship at port. About 180 Indonesian sailors took control of the ship, and among the 50 or so ethnic Dutch sailors there was a mixed reaction, with some supporting the mutiny but most remaining apart from the mutineers. The mutineers left port with the ship and sailed toward the main Dutch naval base at Surabaja where they allegedly intended to surrender the ship to Dutch authorities, their point having been made. Some confusion about the intent of the mutineers and the intentions of the authorities resulted in a failure for this particular plan to come to fruition, leaving the mutineers sailing the ship at sea.
After 6 days of frustration at failing to get the mutineers to surrender the ship, the Netherlands’ Defence Minister Laurentius Nicolaas Deckers gave the order for an aerial attack against their own ship! In 1933, there was little history of successful aerial attacks against ships under weigh at sea, and this attack was somewhat of a major event in naval and aeronautical history. A bomb landed on the ship, killing 23 of the mutineers and resulting in the immediate surrender of the ship.
Of course, bombing your own ship is a sure way to inspire controversy and debate among the Dutch people, and the debate about the decision to bomb the De Zeven Provinciën was furious in many countries, but especially the Netherlands. Lost in the accusations and defense of the decision was the extremely important lesson that American aviator General Billy Mitchell was right, airplanes pose an extremely grave threat to ships, even those maneuvering at sea.
Trials for the mutineers resulted in jail sentences for 5 Dutch and 19 Indonesian sailors, with sentences ranging between only 1 year in prison to 18 years in prison. Of course, 23 of the mutineers were de facto sentenced to death by the result of bombing the ship. Normally, navies of the world have no hesitation to execute convicted mutineers, so in this case the punishment seems relatively lenient. The captain and officers of the De Zeven Provinciën were reprimanded for not anticipating unrest over the pay cuts and not taking preventative action to preclude such a mutiny. Dutch authorities conducted a post mutiny purge of the ranks of their sailors, getting rid of any sailor that had shown any indication of being a malcontent and any sailor that had shown any insubordination toward authority. Politics in the Netherlands was driven to the right in the aftermath of this shocking event.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 24, 2021 14:28:11 GMT
HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën - Drachinifel -naval history - 4 Lordroel Never heard of that mutiny and I must say it fascinates me so I did some research. Hope you folks find this as interesting as I do. This is from History headlines " February 5, 1933: Dutch Ship HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën Mutiny!"
By Major Dan February 5, 2019
On February 5, 1933, the crew of the Royal Netherlands Navy ship HNLMS De Zeven Provinciën mutinied while stationed off the coast of Sumatra in the Dutch East Indies. Fed up with harsh working conditions and an announced cut in pay, the crew consisting of both ethnically Dutch and Indonesian sailors seized control of the cruiser sized ship, not relinquishing control until the ship was bombed by Dutch warplanes 6 days later!
The 1930’s was a time of the Great Depression, and Europe was still recovering from the terrible effects of World War I. Austerity was the name of the game for national budgets, and military men world wide were not paid particularly well. Royal Netherlands Navy was no exception.
. . .
The Royal Netherlands Navy incident seems to have been a spontaneous event. Some claims that the De Zeven Provinciën mutiny was inspired by a communist insurgency were eagerly espoused by communists as well as Dutch right-wing politicians at the time, but are probably not true. The context of the De Zeven Provinciën must be seen in the colonial rule of Indonesia by the Netherlands, an oppression seen by native Indonesians as unacceptable.
. . .
The mutiny started the evening before February 5, 1933, and was conducted primarily by ethnic Indonesians that had seized small arms and took the officers of the ship hostage. Many of the officers and crew were ashore when the mutiny occurred with the ship at port. About 180 Indonesian sailors took control of the ship, and among the 50 or so ethnic Dutch sailors there was a mixed reaction, with some supporting the mutiny but most remaining apart from the mutineers. The mutineers left port with the ship and sailed toward the main Dutch naval base at Surabaja where they allegedly intended to surrender the ship to Dutch authorities, their point having been made. Some confusion about the intent of the mutineers and the intentions of the authorities resulted in a failure for this particular plan to come to fruition, leaving the mutineers sailing the ship at sea.
After 6 days of frustration at failing to get the mutineers to surrender the ship, the Netherlands’ Defence Minister Laurentius Nicolaas Deckers gave the order for an aerial attack against their own ship! In 1933, there was little history of successful aerial attacks against ships under weigh at sea, and this attack was somewhat of a major event in naval and aeronautical history. A bomb landed on the ship, killing 23 of the mutineers and resulting in the immediate surrender of the ship.
Of course, bombing your own ship is a sure way to inspire controversy and debate among the Dutch people, and the debate about the decision to bomb the De Zeven Provinciën was furious in many countries, but especially the Netherlands. Lost in the accusations and defense of the decision was the extremely important lesson that American aviator General Billy Mitchell was right, airplanes pose an extremely grave threat to ships, even those maneuvering at sea.
Trials for the mutineers resulted in jail sentences for 5 Dutch and 19 Indonesian sailors, with sentences ranging between only 1 year in prison to 18 years in prison. Of course, 23 of the mutineers were de facto sentenced to death by the result of bombing the ship. Normally, navies of the world have no hesitation to execute convicted mutineers, so in this case the punishment seems relatively lenient. The captain and officers of the De Zeven Provinciën were reprimanded for not anticipating unrest over the pay cuts and not taking preventative action to preclude such a mutiny. Dutch authorities conducted a post mutiny purge of the ranks of their sailors, getting rid of any sailor that had shown any indication of being a malcontent and any sailor that had shown any insubordination toward authority. Politics in the Netherlands was driven to the right in the aftermath of this shocking event.
And a result of that mutiny she was renamed Soerabaja, never good for a ship to see here name changed due a event like that. |
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