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Post by lordroel on Jan 1, 2020 12:46:38 GMT
In general, the Great War in space is similar to a combination between operations in Africa in our WW1 and the Seven Years' War in India and North America - essentially independent wars conducted by limited colonial forces without optimal means of communication and often with rather less sophisticated weapons and equipment. On the moons, the Germans were wrapped up fairly quickly. (German Pacific islands) On Mars, the news of war did not reach the various colonial holdings until August 1915, after which time there was a lengthy campaign that only ended in May 1918. (East Africa) On Venus, the German holdings were less sophisticated and were rolled up fairly quickly. (West Africa) So no German space raiding like OTL SMS Emden famous raiding campaign on Earth. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 1, 2020 14:08:30 GMT
They did, but it was lost in the war and transferred in the Treaty of Versailles.
Now that could really put them on the back foot in terms of WWII as their denied any real access to the high ground unless they managed to get some extra-terrestrial territory before war starts. Its bloody difficult getting off Earth, especially a so much larger one, when your enemy has extensive bases in the moons to operate from.
In terms of your other post was there no reliable radio or other form of transmission that news of the war took a year to reach Mars?
Thanks
Steve
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 1, 2020 14:24:55 GMT
Lordroel, there were no space raiders in that manner in the First World War, but rather converted merchant vessels serving as auxiliary cruisers.
Steve, it was a particular point of disagreement for all German political parties after the war. There was some German civilian/mercantile return to space in the interwar period, but not of the same extent as pre-WW1; they had bigger fish to fry.
Interplanetary communications were still going through their teething stage in 1910-1914, with the major British relay station on Luna destroyed by a German raid in the opening days of the war. Interplanetary radio communication would take until the 1920s to be reliable, given the strange effects of the aetheric currents, and even then, wasn't fully effective until the introduction of satellites.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 1, 2020 14:26:20 GMT
Lordroel, there were no space raiders in that manner in the First World War, but rather converted merchant vessels serving as auxiliary cruisers. That is a interesting story to hear, and also hidden asteroid basses, yes raiders need secret hideouts. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 1, 2020 14:39:46 GMT
The asteroid belt was a bit too far away from not just Earth but the interplanetary trade routes in the circumstances of the First World War. More detail of the expansion of the Earthly empires through the Solar System will come out in the last few parts of Space: The New Frontier, but to put it briefly, they do not reach out to the asteroid belt in any significant way until the 1930s.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 1, 2020 14:43:20 GMT
The asteroid belt was a bit too far away from not just Earth but the interplanetary trade routes in the circumstances of the First World War. More detail of the expansion of the Earthly empires through the Solar System will come out in the last few parts of Space: The New Frontier, but to put it briefly, they do not reach out to the asteroid belt in any significant way until the 1930s. Dam, so no Space Imperial Germans, well we have to do with Space Nazis then. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 1, 2020 14:50:02 GMT
There are still settlements of Imperial German loyalists on Mars, as the lack of the overthrow of the German monarchy allows for quite a few interesting developments. A parallel could be German emigre settlements in South America.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 1, 2020 14:54:36 GMT
There are still settlements of Imperial German loyalists on Mars, as the lack of the overthrow of the German monarchy allows for quite a few interesting developments. A parallel could be German emigre settlements in South America. That sounds interesting, does the current German government have plans to absorb those settlements in the future, if they are allowed to do that. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 1, 2020 14:57:37 GMT
They mostly lie in the territory of various sovereign Martian states, so it wouldn’t be a viable proposition.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 2, 2020 15:44:55 GMT
Casualties:
Russia (1918: 226 million)
2.7 million dead
6.7 million wounded
2.1 million MIA/POW
France (1918: 96.2 million)
1 million dead
4.8 million wounded
0.8 million MIA/POW
Britain (1918: 98.5 million)
502,000 dead
1.2 million wounded
100,000 MIA/POW
Yearly KIA/DOW breakdown:
1914: 35,000 vs 26,899
1915: 84,000 vs 113,187
1916: 123,000 vs 170,574
1917: 136,000 vs 202,183
1918: 124,000 vs 188,985
Italy (1918: 64 million)
700,000 dead
1.1 million wounded
540,000 POW/MIA
Romania (1918: 18.4 million)
274,000 dead
180,000 wounded
105,000 MIA/POW
Poland (1918: 45.7 million)
259,000 dead
566,000 wounded
83,000 MIA/POW
USA (1918: 169 million)
236,000 dead
547,000 wounded
32,000 MIA/POW
Japan (1918: 125 million)
210,000 dead
578,000 wounded
67,000 mIA/POW
Byzantine Greece (22.6 million)
172,000 dead
324,000 wounded
45,000 MIA/POW
Spain (56.1 million)
113,000 dead
217,000 wounded
39,000 MIA/POW
India (418 million)
87,000 dead
179,000 wounded
12,000 MIA/POW
Serbia (1918: 7.8 million)
58,000 dead
151,000 wounded
136,000 MIA/POW
Canada (1918: 34.6 million)
48,000 dead
144,000 wounded
4000 MIA/POW
Australia (1918 population 11.2 million)
42,000 dead
132,000 wounded
5000 MIA/POW
Netherlands (1918: 14.9 million)
38,000 dead
67,000 wounded
42,000 MIA/POW
Belgium (1918: 13.5 million)
33,000 dead
56,000 wounded
34,000 MIA/POW
South Africa (1918: 12.6 million)
22,000 dead
76,000 wounded
2000 MIA/POW
Portugal (1918: 15.2 million)
18,000 dead
41,000 wounded
15,000 MIA/POW
New Zealand (1918: 3.2 million)
12,000 dead
37,000 wounded
1000 MIA/POW
New Avalon (1918: 2.4 million)
6000 dead
23,000 wounded
1200 MIA/POW
Rhodesia (1918: 1.9 million)
4000 dead
12,000 wounded
500 MIA/POW
West Indies (1918: 2.8 million)
5000 dead
14,000 wounded
600 MIA/POW
Newfoundland (1918: 900,000)
2400 dead
8000 wounded
200 MIA/POW
Germany (1918: 120 million)
2.5 million dead
5.2 million wounded
1.6 million MIA/POW
Austria-Hungary (1918: 73 million)
1.7 million dead
4.1 million wounded
1.6 million MIA/POW
Ottoman Empire (1918: 65 million)
970,000 dead
1.76 million wounded
382,000 MIA/POW
Bulgaria (1918: 10.4 million)
280,000 dead
520,000 wounded
68,000 MIA/POW
China (both sides)
1.2 million killed
2.6 million wounded
650,000 MIA/POW
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Post by lordroel on Jan 2, 2020 15:47:05 GMT
Casualties: Russia (1918: 226 million) 2.7 million dead 6.7 million wounded 2.1 million MIA/POW France (1918: 96.2 million) 1 million dead 4.8 million wounded 0.8 million MIA/POW Britain (1918: 98.5 million) 502,000 dead 1.2 million wounded 100,000 MIA/POW Yearly KIA/DOW breakdown: 1914: 35,000 vs 26,899 1915: 84,000 vs 113,187 1916: 123,000 vs 170,574 1917: 136,000 vs 202,183 1918: 124,000 vs 188,985 Italy (1918: 64 million) 700,000 dead 1.1 million wounded 540,000 POW/MIA Romania 274,000 dead 180,000 wounded 105,000 MIA/POW Poland (1918: 45.7 million) 259,000 dead 566,000 wounded 83,000 MIA/POW USA (1918: 169 million) 236,000 dead 547,000 wounded 32,000 MIA/POW Japan (1918: 125 million) 210,000 dead 578,000 wounded 67,000 mIA/POW Byzantine Greece (22.6 million) 172,000 dead 324,000 wounded 45,000 MIA/POW Spain (56.1 million) 113,000 dead 217,000 wounded 39,000 MIA/POW India (418 million) 87,000 dead 179,000 wounded 12,000 MIA/POW Serbia (1918: 7.8 million) 58,000 dead 151,000 wounded 136,000 MIA/POW Canada (1918: 34.6 million) 48,000 dead 144,000 wounded 4000 MIA/POW Australia (1918 population 11.2 million) 42,000 dead 132,000 wounded 5000 MIA/POW Netherlands (1918: 14.9 million) 38,000 dead 67,000 wounded 42,000 MIA/POW Belgium (1918: 13.5 million) 33,000 dead 56,000 wounded 34,000 MIA/POW South Africa (1918: 12.6 million) 22,000 dead 76,000 wounded 2000 MIA/POW Portugal (1918: 15.2 million) 18,000 dead 41,000 wounded 15,000 MIA/POW New Zealand (1918: 3.2 million) 12,000 dead 37,000 wounded 1000 MIA/POW New Avalon (1918: 2.4 million) 6000 dead 23,000 wounded 1200 MIA/POW Rhodesia (1918: 1.9 million) 4000 dead 12,000 wounded 500 MIA/POW West Indies (1918: 2.8 million) 5000 dead 14,000 wounded 600 MIA/POW Newfoundland (1918: 900,000) 2400 dead 8000 wounded 200 MIA/POW Germany (1918: 120 million) 2.5 million dead 5.2 million wounded 1.6 million MIA/POW Austria-Hungary (1918: 73 million) 1.7 million dead 4.1 million wounded 1.6 million MIA/POW Ottoman Empire (1918: 65 million) 970,000 dead 1.76 million wounded 382,000 MIA/POW Bulgaria (1918: 10.4 million) 280,000 dead 520,000 wounded 68,000 MIA/POW China (both sides) 1.2 million killed 2.6 million wounded 650,000 MIA/POW The US has suffered a lot more than they did in OTL. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 2, 2020 15:55:09 GMT
They are in the war for longer and fight in 1916 and 1917 much more heavily. Even then, they suffer 0.14% deaths as a percentage of population, compared to 0.13% historically.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 2, 2020 15:57:15 GMT
They are in the war for longer and fight in 1916 and 1917 much more heavily. Even then, they suffer 0.14% deaths as a percentage of population, compared to 0.13% historically. Seems the United Kingdom had less deaths then OTL, ore am i wrong. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jan 2, 2020 16:02:47 GMT
Yes, Britain has fewer in raw numbers, as does France, Russia, Austria-Hungary and Italy. Germany is roughly even and the Turks are much better off.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 2, 2020 16:05:24 GMT
Yes, Britain has fewer in raw numbers, as does France, Russia, Austria-Hungary and Italy. Germany is roughly even and the Turks are much better off. Japan has higher numbers, is that because of fighting in China and on the Western Front. |
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