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Post by stevep on Dec 28, 2019 12:12:09 GMT
A couple of little snippets: “In the Far East, the German concession of Kiautschou Bay and its model Teutonic port city of Tsingtao stood out as one of the jewels in the crown of the German colonial empire and a threat to the British and Allied position in China. Upon a request from their British allies, the Japanese issued an ultimatum to Germany on August 12th to withdraw its forces and ships from Chinese and Japanese waters and to transfer the port of Tsingtao to Japanese control. The majority of the heavy ships of the German East Asia Squadron had broken out to the Pacific at the beginning of hostilities, where they would be hunted down and destroyed by British and Dominion battlecruisers, but four older cruisers remained in Tsingtao, blockaded within its harbour by a force of Imperial Japanese Navy and Royal Navy predreadnoughts. The Japanese deployed a reinforced infantry division, several batteries of their heaviest artillery, two dragons and a not-insubstantial battlefleet, whilst Britain dispatched the old predreadnoughts Canopus, Empress of India, Nelson and Duke of Wellington and an ad hoc division of British and Indian troops from Hong Kong. Wakamiya launched several waves of airstrikes from its seaplane preceding the initial naval bombardment on August 25th as the Imperial Japanese Army began to land its forces and move up to the intended siege lines and these raids were followed on a near daily basis over the next month. The formal siege and bombardment of Tsingtao began on September 30th and culminated with a devastating barrage on October 12th, as the Anglo-Japanese battlefleet, the 280mm and 305mm howitzers of the land forces and the dragons rained ruin down upon the city. Tsingtao would finally capitulate on October 29th as the remaining 1600 German troops marched into Japanese captivity. Wakamiya and Fuji would see action alongside Allied forces as the Chinese Front developed in 1915, but other events would overshadow their role.” “The British Expeditionary Force deployed to France after the outbreak of war and the German invasion of Belgium and the Netherlands. It consisted of 12 infantry divisions, 3 cavalry divisions and 1 artillery division, for a total of 350,000 men organised in a field army. The BEF engaged and narrowly defeated the German 1st and 2nd Armies at the Battle of Mons, with British rifle and machine gun fire repulsing repeated attacks, the 25pdr field gun out matching German field guns and massed cavalry charges inflicting decisive damage. British wizardry sealed the victory. The triumph was short lived, with British and French forces withdrawing to avoid being outflanked prior to the German offensive being halted on the Marne. The Allied counterattack pushed the Germans back before the front stabilised as winter advanced, with the British and French winning the Race to the Sea. A Second Army was established in September as further British and Indian troops arrived, with Third and Fourth Armies being formed by the end of the year. The beginning of 1915 saw over 1 million British troops in France, including 60,000 Royal Marines. The Indian Expeditionary Force added a further 254,000 men organised in 9 infantry and 3 cavalry divisions.”
Interesting snippet on Tsingtao. It also shows how much more advanced aviation is in DE compared to OTL as a/c here were barely capable of providing limited spotting abilities for guns whereas the DE already has bombers operating from carriers.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2019 12:25:28 GMT
Historically, the Japanese did bomb Tsingtao with seaplanes from Wakamiya, with little damage being inflicted.
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Post by stevep on Dec 28, 2019 13:46:12 GMT
Historically, the Japanese did bomb Tsingtao with seaplanes from Wakamiya, with little damage being inflicted.
Ah I didn't realise that. Knew about problems Britain had at Galipoli and also the reports in Lordroel's day by day for WWI with operations in German east Africa to try and locate the cruiser hiding out there.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2019 13:57:01 GMT
Historically, the Japanese did bomb Tsingtao with seaplanes from Wakamiya, with little damage being inflicted. Ah I didn't realise that. Knew about problems Britain had at Galipoli and also the reports in Lordroel's day by day for WWI with operations in German east Africa to try and locate the cruiser hiding out there. If i remember correctly, the claim is that the only aircraft used by the Germans at the OTL Siege of Tsingtao, a Taube shot down a Japanese Farman MF.7 with the pilot of the Taube using his pistol to do that.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2019 14:09:24 GMT
Yes, I have read of that. Quite a few of the early kills happened with pistols and rifles.
I’m 75% done on the first entry of the History of the Aircraft Carrier, encompassing the Great War, then I will have a bit more of a look at 1900-1914 to set the scene.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2019 14:11:12 GMT
Yes, I have read of that. Quite a few of the early kills happened with pistols and rifles. So will that also be the case in the early days of aerial combat in the Darkearth verse.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2019 14:28:07 GMT
From aeroplanes, yes, with the addition of wands.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2019 14:33:10 GMT
From aeroplanes, yes, with the addition of wands. And dragons, do not forget the dragons.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2019 23:15:27 GMT
Dragons are an entirely different matter, considering their rarity, importance, power and threat. They are controlled carefully, like dreadnoughts, rather than being used disposably, like aircraft.
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Post by stevep on Dec 28, 2019 23:19:50 GMT
Dragons are an entirely different matter, considering their rarity, importance, power and threat. They are controlled carefully, like dreadnoughts, rather than being used disposably, like aircraft.
Especially given that advantages in modern weaponry probably makes them significantly more vulnerable than in previous centuries.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2019 23:24:23 GMT
Exactly. Anti-dragon guns don’t quite yet have the flexibility and lethality in 1914, but they still present a threat that was not there 20 years previously.
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Post by stevep on Dec 28, 2019 23:33:07 GMT
Exactly. Anti-dragon guns don’t quite yet have the flexibility and lethality in 1914, but they still present a threat that was not there 20 years previously.
Question just occurred to me. No need to answer now as I'm turning in shortly but has magic kept pace with technology or is it being left behind somewhat? I.e. as spreading knowledge has allowed 'mundane' weapons to get far more powerful are spells more sophisticated, easier to use as knowledge spreads, able to rely on greater power sources or basically unchanged since say the medieval period?
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 29, 2019 0:20:15 GMT
Exactly. Anti-dragon guns don’t quite yet have the flexibility and lethality in 1914, but they still present a threat that was not there 20 years previously. Question just occurred to me. No need to answer now as I'm turning in shortly but has magic kept pace with technology or is it being left behind somewhat? I.e. as spreading knowledge has allowed 'mundane' weapons to get far more powerful are spells more sophisticated, easier to use as knowledge spreads, able to rely on greater power sources or basically unchanged since say the medieval period?
Yes and no. The development of modern magic occurred during the Arcane Revolution of 17th and 18th centuries, accompanying many other rapid developments of society. The gap between ordinary weapons and magic has narrowed considerably, even by 1914, at least insofar as immediate battlefield/tactical employment. Here is a little extract from another work yet to come on the matter: "Right. What do you suggest? Magic?”
Flint shook his head slightly, troubled by where the conversation seemed headed. “Magic. I don’t like having much truck with magic. We don’t live in a world of miracles anymore. If you had seen the things I have seen...”
Gallows leaned forward abruptly, his eyes glowing with an intense light as he spoke quietly.
“Allow me to stop you there, I pray. Your next point would be something along the lines that all magic is slowing fading to obsolescence in a world of technical marvels, where the rankest neophyte can use a gun or fire a howitzer or press a button. That the jet plane, the rocket, the atom bomb or half a hundred other marvels will render magic redundant, as useless as a hedgewizard against the Red Death.
After all, we live in an age of science, a veritable epoch of marvels. Who needs a mere numerologist or aphophenist when the modern steam powered analytical engine or the newfangled mechanical computing machine can deliver the answer to your every question in less than an hour? Who needs a transportation mage or technomancer when you can fly to Australia in an aeroplane in six hours? What is it that Kennedy chap across in America keeps saying on the telescreen about the Orion rocketship he would build if he wins in September– Saturn by ’67?
You are not one of the Technists, are you?”
“No, Gallows, it isn’t that. I’m no Arkist, merely a thorough sorcerous skeptic. Take the Church, for example. The last time an ordinary English cleric – not an Archbishop or Pope - was able to heal someone? 1893. The last monk or priest of ours to who could wield anything beyond minor battle spells? The Crimean War.”
“What of you, Flint. You blasted that undead abomination back to the Pit with your crucifix.”
“I…I don’t know what I did there. I swear by the blood of the martyrs, I do not know how I did it. I certainly couldn’t do it again. I don’t know if I want to do it again. Anyway, the last one before me who turned the undead was in the 1825! The days when twenty priests and Templars could take on the Aztec Empire are long gone.”
“Have a little faith, Brother. Have a little faith. We wizards are slightly less limited than our friends in the Church. We always have been, back through all the great mages of England – Merlin, Taliesin, Bacon, Dee, Shakespeare and Dickens.”
“Alcuin Spong and his council the equivalents of Merlin or Dickens? They are Archmagi, I’ll grant you. But they are bureaucrats.”
Indeed, Brother John. I am not. I earned my wand at sixteen and my staff at twenty. I have climbed all five Towers of Art and in Avalon and Camelot trod the twenty Circles of Lore. I have made my Talisman, read the Key of Solomon and gazed into the Eye of Argon.”
“Yes, I do understand you chaps have a rather long degree process.”
“I have called mile long bolts of lightning out of a clear sky, hurled searing fireballs the size of hills across the North Sea with nary but a word and frozen battalions of fear with blasts of frost on Midsummer morn. I have smashed castles, turned back the tide and bought towns to ruin by harnessing the tremors of the earth, then created cities of shining light and streams of darkest shade in their place.“
“Battle magic. Mere elementalism.”
“I can turn the spells, arrows, bombs and dragonbreath aside and shield entire cities from sight and harm. I can stop a speeding bullet with my mind and walk through the fires of the atom. I can quaff acid, nibble poison and even stand Army food. I have laid mountains low in the morning and summoned legions of iron to build them back again before tea.
I charm, I find, I see.
I can walk on moonlight rays into the heaviest defended prison in the world, extract a princess and fly back across the ocean sea on wings of shadow leaving a lifelike simulacrum and an insulting note. I have weaved gates to Mars in a heartbeat. I can turn lead into gold, call up the ancient dead and foulest demon alike, take on the shape of any man or any beast and make forests sing.
I have built, I have weaved, I have dreamed.
I have built up the minds of men and freed them from the tortured dreams of centuries. I have drunk from streams never seen by man and walked the purple skies of ages yet to come. I have ridden the winds of time to bring back hope when all seemed lost and held up the walls of this world and others against those who would see the long night fall.
I have saved.
Now, let’s see some little bugger with a chemistry set do that.”
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Post by lordroel on Dec 29, 2019 10:19:46 GMT
Question just occurred to me. No need to answer now as I'm turning in shortly but has magic kept pace with technology or is it being left behind somewhat? I.e. as spreading knowledge has allowed 'mundane' weapons to get far more powerful are spells more sophisticated, easier to use as knowledge spreads, able to rely on greater power sources or basically unchanged since say the medieval period?
Yes and no. The development of modern magic occurred during the Arcane Revolution of 17th and 18th centuries, accompanying many other rapid developments of society. The gap between ordinary weapons and magic has narrowed considerably, even by 1914, at least insofar as immediate battlefield/tactical employment. Here is a little extract from another work yet to come on the matter: "Right. What do you suggest? Magic?”
Flint shook his head slightly, troubled by where the conversation seemed headed. “Magic. I don’t like having much truck with magic. We don’t live in a world of miracles anymore. If you had seen the things I have seen...”
Gallows leaned forward abruptly, his eyes glowing with an intense light as he spoke quietly.
“Allow me to stop you there, I pray. Your next point would be something along the lines that all magic is slowing fading to obsolescence in a world of technical marvels, where the rankest neophyte can use a gun or fire a howitzer or press a button. That the jet plane, the rocket, the atom bomb or half a hundred other marvels will render magic redundant, as useless as a hedgewizard against the Red Death.
After all, we live in an age of science, a veritable epoch of marvels. Who needs a mere numerologist or aphophenist when the modern steam powered analytical engine or the newfangled mechanical computing machine can deliver the answer to your every question in less than an hour? Who needs a transportation mage or technomancer when you can fly to Australia in an aeroplane in six hours? What is it that Kennedy chap across in America keeps saying on the telescreen about the Orion rocketship he would build if he wins in September– Saturn by ’67?
You are not one of the Technists, are you?”
“No, Gallows, it isn’t that. I’m no Arkist, merely a thorough sorcerous skeptic. Take the Church, for example. The last time an ordinary English cleric – not an Archbishop or Pope - was able to heal someone? 1893. The last monk or priest of ours to who could wield anything beyond minor battle spells? The Crimean War.”
“What of you, Flint. You blasted that undead abomination back to the Pit with your crucifix.”
“I…I don’t know what I did there. I swear by the blood of the martyrs, I do not know how I did it. I certainly couldn’t do it again. I don’t know if I want to do it again. Anyway, the last one before me who turned the undead was in the 1825! The days when twenty priests and Templars could take on the Aztec Empire are long gone.”
“Have a little faith, Brother. Have a little faith. We wizards are slightly less limited than our friends in the Church. We always have been, back through all the great mages of England – Merlin, Taliesin, Bacon, Dee, Shakespeare and Dickens.”
“Alcuin Spong and his council the equivalents of Merlin or Dickens? They are Archmagi, I’ll grant you. But they are bureaucrats.”
Indeed, Brother John. I am not. I earned my wand at sixteen and my staff at twenty. I have climbed all five Towers of Art and in Avalon and Camelot trod the twenty Circles of Lore. I have made my Talisman, read the Key of Solomon and gazed into the Eye of Argon.”
“Yes, I do understand you chaps have a rather long degree process.”
“I have called mile long bolts of lightning out of a clear sky, hurled searing fireballs the size of hills across the North Sea with nary but a word and frozen battalions of fear with blasts of frost on Midsummer morn. I have smashed castles, turned back the tide and bought towns to ruin by harnessing the tremors of the earth, then created cities of shining light and streams of darkest shade in their place.“
“Battle magic. Mere elementalism.”
“I can turn the spells, arrows, bombs and dragonbreath aside and shield entire cities from sight and harm. I can stop a speeding bullet with my mind and walk through the fires of the atom. I can quaff acid, nibble poison and even stand Army food. I have laid mountains low in the morning and summoned legions of iron to build them back again before tea.
I charm, I find, I see.
I can walk on moonlight rays into the heaviest defended prison in the world, extract a princess and fly back across the ocean sea on wings of shadow leaving a lifelike simulacrum and an insulting note. I have weaved gates to Mars in a heartbeat. I can turn lead into gold, call up the ancient dead and foulest demon alike, take on the shape of any man or any beast and make forests sing.
I have built, I have weaved, I have dreamed.
I have built up the minds of men and freed them from the tortured dreams of centuries. I have drunk from streams never seen by man and walked the purple skies of ages yet to come. I have ridden the winds of time to bring back hope when all seemed lost and held up the walls of this world and others against those who would see the long night fall.
I have saved.
Now, let’s see some little bugger with a chemistry set do that.”So do all the major powers have their own magic army units.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 29, 2019 10:23:43 GMT
Yes, most certainly. Not every wizard is associated with the government/national Ministries/academies/circles/organisations, but in wartime, magical expertise was treated the same as scientists in WW1 and WW2 - national assets.
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