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Post by lordroel on Jan 19, 2020 15:53:50 GMT
‘2050 Australia To 1950’. Maybe it can give NATO a hand in the Korean War once it regathers its bearings. That of course assumes that 2050 Australia is still a predominantly western looking democratic state.  True a lot can happen in 30 years. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 19, 2020 16:03:32 GMT
‘2050 Australia To 1950’. Maybe it can give NATO a hand in the Korean War once it regathers its bearings.
That of course assumes that 2050 Australia is still a predominantly western looking democratic state. True. In that case, maybe 2020 Australia would be a better choice to send back to 1950 since we at least know which incarnation we're dealing with. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 19, 2020 16:29:51 GMT
That of course assumes that 2050 Australia is still a predominantly western looking democratic state. True. In that case, maybe 2020 Australia would be a better choice to send back to 1950 since we at least know which incarnation we're dealing with.
Would definitely agree there.  We can make realistic predictions of how 2020 Australia would interactive with the 1950 world. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 19, 2020 16:31:33 GMT
True. In that case, maybe 2020 Australia would be a better choice to send back to 1950 since we at least know which incarnation we're dealing with. Would definitely agree there. We can make realistic predictions of how 2020 Australia would interactive with the 1950 world. Why not 2020 Australia to 1915, then they can finally fix that landing in Turkey. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 19, 2020 17:01:54 GMT
Would definitely agree there. We can make realistic predictions of how 2020 Australia would interactive with the 1950 world. Why not 2020 Australia to 1915, then they can finally fix that landing in Turkey.
Well they would probably need to go back to 1914 to really have time to influence things. Also its so distant to modern Australians and also viewed negatively - both Galipoli and the war as a whole I could see a strong desire to keep out of it and/or seek to persuade both sides to make peace quickly. If Australia did support the allied war effort then their air power and some of their navy - provided they could get the fuel and supports sorted out - they could probably force an end to the war fairly quickly. If coming in at the start of the war - i.e. August 1914 they could have avoided some of the disasters but their likely to be mistrusted by the European powers because their simply so different. Trying to persuade the French not to make their suicidal frontal attack in Alsace-Lorraine would be very difficult I expect and a lot of the British elite would be somewhat negative about the colonials I fear.
Also in 1914 London caused some resentment by the British dow being on behaviour of not just the British empire but also the dominions. Which they had the legal power I think at the time, until the 1931 Westminster Conference gave the dominions a much clear position it was a bone of contention even then and I could see a movement in 2020 Australia in such a circumstance to argue that "we're not at war with Germany".
Even if the government didn't formally join in the conflict I suspect at least some of the expats and others would support the allies and of course there would be 2020 diplomats and the like who would support them but then also there would be similar people for Germany and Austria and modern Australia is a lot less WASP than the 1915 version was so both sides in the conflict could receive some unofficial aid.
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 19, 2020 21:02:24 GMT
‘2016 Barack Obama SI To 1976 Jimmy Carter’.
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 20, 2020 21:27:46 GMT
'2020 Wikipedia To 1980'.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 3:51:34 GMT
'2020 Wikipedia To 1980'. How are they going to access it. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 21, 2020 16:00:34 GMT
'2020 Wikipedia To 1980'. How are they going to access it. Good point. Maybe modern desktops (and the instructions and infrastructure needed to operate them) come along as well so that people have home computers, which would be restricted to browsing Wikipedia and little else for the sake of this scenario. Though, I do wonder how copy-pasting the entire 2020 internet and sending it back to 1980 would work. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2020 16:16:55 GMT
How are they going to access it. Good point. Maybe modern desktops (and the instructions and infrastructure needed to operate them) come along as well so that people have home computers, which would be restricted to browsing Wikipedia and little else for the sake of this scenario. Though, I do wonder how copy-pasting the entire 2020 internet and sending it back to 1980 would work. Would be fun if all Wikipedia pages are in the Latin ore something like that. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 21, 2020 18:04:46 GMT
Good point. Maybe modern desktops (and the instructions and infrastructure needed to operate them) come along as well so that people have home computers, which would be restricted to browsing Wikipedia and little else for the sake of this scenario. Though, I do wonder how copy-pasting the entire 2020 internet and sending it back to 1980 would work. Would be fun if all Wikipedia pages are in the Latin ore something like that. Maybe, but then that'd make it pretty useless to 99.99% of people when the whole point of this scenario is exploring how the general public reacts to what's transpired into ~2020 or so. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 22, 2020 18:40:31 GMT
'2000 Western US To 1960'. Then-President Clinton and his staff come along for the ride to represent the uptimers and their interests. And, once again, the uptimer United States in this scenario encompasses what's in the cerulean blue half of the map below.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2020 19:19:12 GMT
'2000 Western US To 1960'. Then-President Clinton and his staff come along for the ride to represent the uptimers and their interests. And, once again, the uptimer United States in this scenario encompasses what's in the cerulean blue half of the map below. Clinton and Kennedy in one single room, that is something i would like to see. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 22, 2020 19:48:36 GMT
'2000 Western US To 1960'. Then-President Clinton and his staff come along for the ride to represent the uptimers and their interests. And, once again, the uptimer United States in this scenario encompasses what's in the cerulean blue half of the map below. Clinton and Kennedy in one single room, that is something i would like to see. Potentially. But considering that he hasn't been elected to the office yet, it'd be more of a meeting between an uptimer POTUS on their way out and a downtimer Senator who became POTUS in another history than a meet between two POTUS's. What havoc the sexual misconduct shenanigans will unleash upon JFK's chances ITTL, I tell you. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 22, 2020 20:27:06 GMT
'2000 Western US To 1960'. Then-President Clinton and his staff come along for the ride to represent the uptimers and their interests. And, once again, the uptimer United States in this scenario encompasses what's in the cerulean blue half of the map below.
What date in both 'countries'? If 1st Jan then has Kennedy even won the Democratic nomination yet? Probably still likely to occur but both Kennedy and Nixon would have problems with the information on events 'to come'. with Watergate for Nixon and assorted drugs and woman scandles for Kennedy, plus possibly his support in the south might be weakened by the later Democrat support of civil rights.
Was Al Gore brought along as well? If so he's likely to win an election in the western US but if the two 'nations' are combined in a 1960/2000 election things are going to be very chaotic. As well as civil rights issues and the drastically different social values and economic bases of the two there are different voting ages.
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We can make realistic predictions of how 2020 Australia would interactive with the 1950 world.