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Post by stevep on Feb 24, 2021 11:43:26 GMT
Do not know if that is true, but a sever loss it was for the British. It was named Gibraltar of the East for the very reason it was an impregnable fortress.
Well it was meant to be but the forces necessary to defend Malaya - without which it couldn't last for long - weren't supplied in necessary quality or time. That a lot of troops were shipped in after fighting started and before they were able to adjust from a long sea voyage only increased the POW total.
It was a serious loss as if Britain and allies managed to hold Malaya and Sumatra then it would make the Japanese position virtually impossible as they would be unable to ship very much of the vital raw materials they went to war for back to Japan. Also those same materials. especially tin and rubber made it one of the few financially profitable colonies which was helping keep the wartime economy afloat. Plus as often said it was a huge prestige loss.
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Post by stevep on Feb 24, 2021 11:52:21 GMT
On today's posts the story I always remember from Verdun was that at one place a French unit was totally buried by the heavy artillery attack. There was on the end of their bayonets emerging from the earth and it was left as a memorial to them and the other dead. Not sure how accurate that is but its a chilling testimony to the brutality of this battle, which I think was the longest sustained land campaign of the entire war.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 24, 2021 12:12:33 GMT
It was named Gibraltar of the East for the very reason it was an impregnable fortress.
Well it was meant to be but the forces necessary to defend Malaya - without which it couldn't last for long - weren't supplied in necessary quality or time. That a lot of troops were shipped in after fighting started and before they were able to adjust from a long sea voyage only increased the POW total.
It was a serious loss as if Britain and allies managed to hold Malaya and Sumatra then it would make the Japanese position virtually impossible as they would be unable to ship very much of the vital raw materials they went to war for back to Japan. Also those same materials. especially tin and rubber made it one of the few financially profitable colonies which was helping keep the wartime economy afloat. Plus as often said it was a huge prestige loss.
One mistake is the British thought the Japanese would attack from the sea which is difficult, so the IJA invaded from the north via land. Also, once the Japanese cut Singapore's water supply, the tiny colony would not last any longer.
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Post by stevep on Feb 24, 2021 12:32:27 GMT
Well it was meant to be but the forces necessary to defend Malaya - without which it couldn't last for long - weren't supplied in necessary quality or time. That a lot of troops were shipped in after fighting started and before they were able to adjust from a long sea voyage only increased the POW total.
It was a serious loss as if Britain and allies managed to hold Malaya and Sumatra then it would make the Japanese position virtually impossible as they would be unable to ship very much of the vital raw materials they went to war for back to Japan. Also those same materials. especially tin and rubber made it one of the few financially profitable colonies which was helping keep the wartime economy afloat. Plus as often said it was a huge prestige loss.
One mistake is the British thought the Japanese would attack from the sea which is difficult, so the IJA invaded from the north via land. Also, once the Japanese cut Singapore's water supply, the tiny colony would not last any longer.
Well the ironic thing is that the army did do a summary of how Japan might attack and the officer involved accurately predicted a landing in the NE and also southern Thailand, then an advance down the west coast - which is where the main infrastructure is as the east was largely undeveloped jungle. What's even worse is the staff officer involved was Percival, who commanded the defence. Unfortunately given a lack of authority to override the civilian authorities and that while a good staff officer he seems to have been a poor commander plus the planned forces for the defence, especially in terms of air defence, never being supplied it turned into a totally avoidable disaster!
Percival's one redeeming feature was that not only did he go into captivity with his men but after the war he seems to have done everything he did to help the survivors. Possibly a difference in attitude but his men still seemed to have a lot of respect for him as a man. - This has come up on a naval board in the past where there's been a comparison with MacArthur where the survivors of the forces there seem to have utterly loathed him.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 28, 2021 8:13:06 GMT
Well this is going to strange on the Great War update for 1916 i will have to add January 29th 1916 toghther with March 1st 1916 as 1916 seems to be a leap year and if i post them separately it will trow the entire war of rails.
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Post by stevep on Feb 28, 2021 12:06:56 GMT
On today's WWI post I think you have included something from 1917 in error. The section
is definitely from 1917 as Nivelle was still only an army commander in 1916, taking over from Petain in the latter stages of the Verdun campaign which is only in its early days in 1916. Also that large butchers bill was the Somme which is still to come and Gernany's withdraw to the Hindenburg Line was in spring 1917.
Take your point on leap years. Its a pain in this sort of thing.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 28, 2021 12:10:04 GMT
On today's WWI post I think you have included something from 1917 in error. The section is definitely from 1917 as Nivelle was still only an army commander in 1916, taking over from Petain in the latter stages of the Verdun campaign which is only in its early days in 1916. Also that large butchers bill was the Somme which is still to come and Gernany's withdraw to the Hindenburg Line was in spring 1917.
Take your point on leap years. Its a pain in this sort of thing.
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A seem you are right stevep, will add the right entry to the date.
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Post by stevep on Mar 1, 2021 12:37:37 GMT
On today's WWI posts a couple of comments:
Sounds like he's pre-empting the later RAF bomber clique. Would have hoped that he would have had the sense to keep an eye on the correct priorities, which would definitely include supporting the fleet and engaging in ASW.
Also I suspect this is the exchange that lead to AMCs being described as eggs armed with sledgehammers. Unarmoured and large targets are too vulnerable to 6" gunfire!
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Post by stevep on Mar 6, 2021 19:23:37 GMT
lordroel , With Indy's video on today's WWII post he may have one thing wrong. Churchill was definitely a problem in terms of opposing more self-rule, let alone independence for India. However his split with the Tory party - if he means the one before WWI that meant he joined the Liberals for about a decade or so, wasn't over that but over the growing pressure in the Tory party for tariffs to match those in other countries.
Otherwise a good summary of events but distinctly grim for the allies and as he says many civilians as well as POWs falling under fascist control.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 6, 2021 19:27:59 GMT
lordroel , With Indy's video on today's WWII post he may have one thing wrong. Churchill was definitely a problem in terms of opposing more self-rule, let alone independence for India. However his split with the Tory party - if he means the one before WWI that meant he joined the Liberals for about a decade or so, wasn't over that but over the growing pressure in the Tory party for tariffs to match those in other countries.
Otherwise a good summary of events but distinctly grim for the allies and as he says many civilians as well as POWs falling under fascist control. Steve
1942 will go bad for the Allies before they will begin to go their way. Also almost at the Battle of Jutland in the great war update and now i have to turn every ship name into one with full Caps Lock and as there are a lot of ships in the battle it is going to be a while for i am done with that.
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Post by stevep on Mar 8, 2021 12:53:34 GMT
On today's WWI post and the attempt to relieve Kut, which turned out so badly the last paragraph says
That last bit talking about Turkish losses seems to be incomplete? Similarly while the French recapture of Bois des Corbeaux was successful Macker's tactics seem bloody suicidal!
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Post by lordroel on Mar 8, 2021 15:17:09 GMT
On today's WWI post and the attempt to relieve Kut, which turned out so badly the last paragraph says
That last bit talking about Turkish losses seems to be incomplete? Similarly while the French recapture of Bois des Corbeaux was successful Macker's tactics seem bloody suicidal! Steve
thanks. will add the missing part to the update.
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Post by stevep on Mar 9, 2021 11:34:51 GMT
One oddity with today's WWI post. It mentions
Do you know any more about this please as at this point there was no Czech state and the land was part of the Hapsburg empire, which of course was allied to Germany? There is a bit about his life in this period at Victoriano_Huerta_late_life_and_death but no mention of foreign agents. Instead it suggests his conversations with a German representative were bugged by the US secret service.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 9, 2021 14:48:28 GMT
One oddity with today's WWI post. It mentions
Do you know any more about this please as at this point there was no Czech state and the land was part of the Hapsburg empire, which of course was allied to Germany? There is a bit about his life in this period at Victoriano_Huerta_late_life_and_death but no mention of foreign agents. Instead it suggests his conversations with a German representative were bugged by the US secret service. Steve
My trolls are not able to find anything yet, but i will have them keep looking into this.
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Post by stevep on Mar 11, 2021 11:32:55 GMT
With Italy in WWI I wonder why they never considered operating in the Balkans, which would have been an option while Montenegro was still fighting or even prior to the CP invasion of Albania, on which Italy had designs. That would probably have been easier than trying to assault such a powerful defensive position as the Isonzo has been shown to be. At least this time Cadorna had the sense to call it off after only 5 days when it was clear there was no hope of success. Given that between the Italian and French fleets and what forces Britain maintained in the region there is an overwhelming naval superiority although U boats might be a problem.
A question. Listening to Indie's video for today's WWI post has that been on before as it sounds very familiar?
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