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Post by lordroel on Sept 10, 2020 11:47:57 GMT
On today's WWII post there is a small typo at:
Think this 1st tank is superfluous.
See Stalin is still thinking control is more important than fighting efficiency. Holding Kiev a little longer at huge costs is a lot less effective than withdrawing a lot of the men and equipment so they can continue to fight the already overstretched Germans. Gods that's a bloody battle for SC42. Not sure who won as 16 vessels is a heavy loss but taking out two U boats is very useful. Steve
Thanks will edit it.
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Post by stevep on Sept 11, 2020 7:11:39 GMT
A bit of an oddity on the USN thread. Yesterday's post seems to have been updated and have lost their liked - pretty certain gillian1220 and myself both liked it. The latter isn't an issue but presume you edited it for some reason?
On the WWII post
Britain's top secret agent embedded in the Nazi regime strikes again to further cripple the enemy.
On the other hand evidence emerges of a Nazi mole in a high position in the Stavka. If this level of incompetence was fiction most people would reject it as totally unrealistic.
Steve
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 7:21:46 GMT
A bit of an oddity on the USN thread. Yesterday's post seems to have been updated and have lost their liked - pretty certain gillian1220 and myself both liked it. The latter isn't an issue but presume you edited it for some reason? My mistake, was posting the September 11th update but instead of posting it in a new post I posted it in the September 10th post instead, so I had to remove one post to fix it.
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Post by stevep on Sept 12, 2020 18:32:03 GMT
Interesting how early the weather was turning bad and threatening the German ability to continue the offensive. Already had some problems with heavy rains a few weeks back. Coupled with the sheer size of the front in both width and depth and the weaknesses in German logistics its making a difficult task far more challenging still.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 12, 2020 18:36:29 GMT
Interesting how early the weather was turning bad and threatening the German ability to continue the offensive. Already had some problems with heavy rains a few weeks back. Coupled with the sheer size of the front in both width and depth and the weaknesses in German logistics its making a difficult task far more challenging still. Steve
And it will only get worse for the Germans, they where never prepared for a full winter war, the Soviets and the Finish did, they learned it during the Winter War the Hard way, especially the Soviets.
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Post by stevep on Sept 15, 2020 15:55:41 GMT
lordroel , On today's WWI post this sounds a bit odd.
Suspect a small typo there with one of those swamps being something else but not sure what?
On the WWII post
Sounds like the convoy was in a very bad way or possibly a couple of those ships were stragglers if two complete crews survive but can't be picked up from lifeboats. Very costly for the people involved and their families. Seems a bit strange that we know they survived the initial sinking if their not picked up unless some sort of radio message was sent in each case?
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Post by lordroel on Sept 15, 2020 15:57:58 GMT
lordroel , On today's WWI post this sounds a bit odd.
Suspect a small typo there with one of those swamps being something else but not sure what?
On the WWII post
Sounds like the convoy was in a very bad way or possibly a couple of those ships were stragglers if two complete crews survive but can't be picked up from lifeboats. Very costly for the people involved and their families. Seems a bit strange that we know they survived the initial sinking if their not picked up unless some sort of radio message was sent in each case? Steve
Thanks for spotting, will edit it.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 15, 2020 16:04:04 GMT
stevep, found information about one of the ships who crew where alive but never found: Newbury British Steam merchant At 08.16 hours on 15 Sep 1941 the Newbury (Master Theodore Pryse OBE), a straggler from convoy ON-14, was hit by one torpedo from U-94 and sank southeast of Cape Farewell. The U-boat observed that the crew abandoned ship in lifeboats, but the master, 38 crew members and six gunners were never found.
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Post by stevep on Sept 15, 2020 16:29:55 GMT
stevep , found information about one of the ships who crew where alive but never found: Newbury British Steam merchant At 08.16 hours on 15 Sep 1941 the Newbury (Master Theodore Pryse OBE), a straggler from convoy ON-14, was hit by one torpedo from U-94 and sank southeast of Cape Farewell. The U-boat observed that the crew abandoned ship in lifeboats, but the master, 38 crew members and six gunners were never found.
OK thanks. Should have thought of that. Sounds like they were stragglers from the convoy as I doubt the U boat would have been able to hang around like that. A tragedy when fairly close to land and presumably to other ships in the convoy.
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Post by stevep on Sept 19, 2020 10:48:34 GMT
A couple of comments on today's WWII post.
a) I would disagree with
Apart from the fact they haven't captured Leningrad - and don't - with the destruction of the forces Stalin sacrificed around Kiev the Germans are also busy advancing across Ukraine, which includes both its agricultural wealth but also the rich industrial and mineral wealth of the Donbass and actually take Rostov for a brief while. Plus there is the issue that the fierce Soviet resistance is as much a issue as the weather. Its the combination of those two and logistics that dooms Operation Typhoon.
b) On:
Are those troops actually going west to Tobruk and its the removed Australian 24th Inf Brg that are being withdrawn to Alexandria? Otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense to me.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 19, 2020 10:53:12 GMT
Are those troops actually going west to Tobruk and its the removed Australian 24th Inf Brg that are being withdrawn to Alexandria? Otherwise it doesn't seem to make sense to me. Will see if I can find a answer to this.
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Post by stevep on Sept 20, 2020 11:51:13 GMT
lordroel , On today's WWI thread:
Of course the problem with this plan is that a prolonged bombardment both tears up the ground, making advancing more difficult and more importantly telegraphing that an offensive is coming so the enemy is prepared. Coupled with the communications problems of the time so that reserves were often only committed when the chance of success had been lost and over ambitious plans for deep penetration of the enemy defences which simply wasn't practical at the time.
If they had listened to people like Foch who was already pushing for small bit and hold type operations they could have saved a hell of a lot of lives and probably done more damage to the Germans over the longer term. Couple with a short but intense bombardment on the morning of the attack. However no one had really developed the experience with artillery at this point in the conflict.
Interesting however Falkenhayn thinks its only a demonstration.
However you seem to have posted tomorrow's i.e. the 21st events as well as today's. Was that planned because your busy tomorrow or a slip up? Assuming the latter as only single posts for the other day by day threads.
On the WWII post two queries, both in the Med section.
There seems a small discrepancy here as you say they sank two ships then that they sank one and damaged two others. Unless either of the damaged ships later sank or were consider a total write off?
Assuming this is the same convoy as reported being attacked earlier in the Atlantic section as it mentions the Walmer Castle as a rescue ship there? If so is this a duplication, although the Walmer Castle wasn't reported as sunk so possibly a later attack in the same day? Is it now so close to Gib that your counting it as in the Med rather than the Atlantic.
Sorry to bother you with those points and hoping your having a good holiday.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 20, 2020 11:52:44 GMT
[quote author=" stevep" source="/post/110287/thread" timestamp="1600602673" However you seem to have posted tomorrow's i.e. the 21st events as well as today's. Was that planned because your busy tomorrow or a slip up? Assuming the latter as only single
[/quote] Seems i made a mistake when posting, will edit it.
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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2020 8:33:14 GMT
US navy thread today.
Now that is a classic. One of the problems of very fast a/c.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 21, 2020 14:23:54 GMT
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